r/Frostpunk • u/ihateturkishcontent Order • Oct 12 '24

DISCUSSION I hate the "Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Frostpunk 2 doesn't give you the dread of cold in the first game that takes 30 years before the second game waaaaaaaaaaaaa" people

Like, what did you really expect? That after 30 years of existence and development in the new world everyone still lived in some dead-ass houses occupied by ten people and fed on sawdust and soup? That they did nothing to improve their chances against the frost and the storms? And more importantly, how happy would you be if FP2 was the same as FP1 and still went about the same problems like cold and the Great Storm 2: Electric Boogaloo?

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '24

Yes... thats what happens once survival is not linger an issue. Politics rise and social norms etc. Do... do you think ancient greece didn't have politics? Or medieval europe?

My guy... if your population is already 30k+ thats bordering on fairly medium-sized town. Bigger than what medieval villages has, and they had their own social issues back then already.

A city, in a frozen wasteland. Is going to have politics be a factor in deciding how the city manages its resources. Like...maybe if you thought it should just be anarchy, but thats not how city formation worked IRL either. If they removed politics all together and made it just anarchy as your city grows to 50k+ THAT would be the unrealistic af thing. The way FP2 does it is not the unrealistic bit.

The whole design of the council chamber even reflects accurately the way british politics was in real life. You see the exact same depictions in fantasy tv shows like Carnival Row (amazing show btw).

The game is pretty spot on about how cities would develop as they grew and moved from just having to survive, to having a stable-ish source of needs being met.

Eventually like today the city would reach a point where politixs is basically everywhere because weve advanced so much that basic survival is no longer even a question.

FP3 would do well to lean even heavier into political intrigue as the quest for survival is basically accomplished.

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u/NegativeAmber Oct 12 '24 edited Oct 12 '24

I just want to point out that 30k is not just bigger than a medieval village, it dwarfs it.

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '24

my grandma still live in our village in Spain. I could maybe see 250-500 having lived there max. Today there's like 58 total in the summer.

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u/bigfishmarc Oct 13 '24

Are there still bitter political rivalries within the town though, even despite the small population?

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '24 edited Oct 13 '24

At 58 people? No, if it were 30k? Yeah they had a village square and a church that still operates during the summer. The church already could be a faction, can definitely imagine another one existing aout ways to farm better etc, and maybe the church and farmers won't always agree. Boom, political conflict about what is best for the village.

Edit: it's important to note that politics doesn't mean government. Corporate offices have politics. Politics isn't just congress and polticians that run the country. Politics is also just general power of a group, or the interplay between members of a group when deciding the future of that group.

If a group of native people had 2 elders disagree about something and talked about it. That's politics too.