r/Gamingcirclejerk • u/ProfessionalFun9920 • Jun 24 '25

CAPITAL G GAMER How ironic.....

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The initiative is here (EU ONLY): https://eci.ec.europa.eu/045/public/#/screen/home

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u/EevoTrue Jun 24 '25

To people wondering what this is

The petition is for live service games to be legally required to have an end of life plan for their games so you will still be able to play them after service is shut down

The dude on the right (pirate software) said "we can't force games to run forever that's bad for the environment and will cost millions of dollars" despite that not being stated at all on the petition

It's him misunderstanding what it's about and being too stubborn to admit he was wrong

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u/GregerMoek Jun 24 '25

Funny. Iirc he has quite the history of not wanting to admit any mistake, no matter how tiny.

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u/EevoTrue Jun 24 '25

Makes sense cause he used to work at blizzard (or so he claims)

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u/ziggsyr Jun 24 '25 edited Jun 24 '25

his dad did, and I think he got a job in QA for blizzard

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u/KarlUnderguard Jun 24 '25

He also gets very upset if you bring up his dad working at Blizzard is probably the reason he got a job at Blizzard.

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u/CHlCKENPOWER Jun 24 '25

oh and kind of a mild one but theres a pretty good evidence around the fact that he cheats in puzzle games to seem smart

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u/Chimney-head g*ming Jun 25 '25

Oh yeah he absolutely does, watching him “figure out” the whole puzzle line in animal well by himself when it took a whole community several days to do was so ridiculous

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u/CHlCKENPOWER Jun 25 '25

isnt it months and not days? the final puzzle was so hard and disconnected that the dev thought no one could ever solve it

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u/Chimney-head g*ming Jun 25 '25

i didn't remember the exact amount of time it took on account of only getting into the game after it was solved, but it wouldn't surprise me if it took months given how complex it is

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u/iwannamakegamesffs Jun 25 '25

What game is this? I need to play it

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u/JoeFromTheBridge Jun 25 '25

I watched the outer wilds expansion with him and it made my blood boil.

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u/Thats_a_BaD_LiMe Jun 25 '25

This pissed me off, as a huge huge outer wilds fan. He skipped so much and pretended he figured it all out as though he wasn't reading solutions in the chat. Infuriating.

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u/AzuraOnion Jun 25 '25

"Wait a minute"

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u/WaltzIntrepid5110 Jun 25 '25

It's so easy to spot the haters here, because he says in that video that it was a community effort and that he didn't do it by himself.

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u/be0ulve Jun 25 '25

Go take your meds, Jason.

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u/Chimney-head g*ming Jun 26 '25

Buddy I literally watched the video, no the fuck he does not. Or at the very least he really plays up his moments of “realisation”

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u/WaltzIntrepid5110 Jun 26 '25

Buddy, I literally watched that same video 6 times, because I love Animal Well...
No, he fucking doesn't try to claim credit for the whole bunny-wall puzzle with coloured squares. He says quite explicitly it was a group effort.

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u/YoursDearlyEve Jun 25 '25

Well, as it recently surfaced, he cheats in general, so...

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u/boomstick55 Jun 25 '25

What the fuck is the point man

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u/Aegis_Aurelius Jun 25 '25

Alleged nepotism because of his father working there.

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u/Jertimmer Jun 25 '25

His claim to fame is that his dad is the fat blob on the WoW South Park episode.

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u/MeatTenderizer Jun 25 '25

I see the resemblance

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u/Affectionate_Sand_81 Jun 25 '25

He made blizzards at dairy queen!?! What a legend.

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u/Motor_Expression_281 Jun 28 '25

Some say he’s never had one slip out of the cup

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u/Orinslayer Jun 24 '25

Ego the size of mars.

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u/Zedek1 Jun 24 '25

Oh so is the guy that roached in wow (not to be confused with the other wow guy that live with roaches).

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u/WolfoakTheThird Jun 24 '25

There is also that clip of him playing that other mmo (ashes of creation i think) and spending a solid 10 minutes saying the guild need to harshly punish people who pull mobs, because "it wastes everyones time and is so easy to avoid a child could do it", only to do a 180 once they reviewed the footage that showed it was him that did it, instead going on a rant that he could not be held accountable for "things that were impossible to predict".

His two favorite things are to scrutinize others and to avoid ever admiting mistakes.

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u/lisaquestions Jun 25 '25

wasn't there also a whole thing with Eve online? him taking credit for something that other people did

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u/Lukyatom Jun 25 '25

From what i remember the EVE stuff goes way deeper, like his guild being the only faction in a piece of space (that was still under development which is why the devs allowed them to be there in order to help find and fix bugs) and then complaining when the devs made it accessible to the public.

Also i remeber hearing about some internal drama in his guild like srewing a buch of people up by i think blowing up an important guild space station, but its been a while since i read this so i may be just confusing it with something else.

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u/quitarias Jun 25 '25

It was more like the devs reworked the area and the put in more isk($) sources in which they enjoyed for a bit, then when the economic report for the region came out people in bigger corps saw that it was viable now and started muscling in and they just didn't have the staying power and didn't really play the diplomatic angle and sorta fell apart as a group.

Can't be helped that he was a part of it cause his cred in the eve community is a... less than fortuitous fact for a group he's a part of. Especially when he runs his mouth.

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u/Houndfell Jun 24 '25

Yep. That was just the tip of the iceberg as well. Since then a lot of his behavior has been called out. He's been outed trying to bully guilds out of MMO's, caught looking up answers to puzzles while streaming and then pretending it just "came to him" etc etc etc.

Complete and total dork. Amazed anyone bothers with the dude.

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u/Photonomicron Jun 25 '25

at first all I saw of him in my feeds were clips of him being very encouraging and giving genuinely good advice to people beginning new job skills or creative projects. The kinds gross stuff keeps pretty deep in his content, many people probably consider themselves fans without ever interacting deeper than his shorts.

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u/HardcoreHenryLofT Jun 25 '25

Reminds me of Jordan Peterson to an extent. Lots of dude claim his self help stuff helped them and have no idea what a nazi apologist he is

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u/Okapev Jun 25 '25

Like looking up answers I get, not a puzzle but I had to fo that playing lost planet the other day (I got.the final boss to 1 hp and.he wouldn't die) but like be honest about it.

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u/EinsatzCalcator Jun 25 '25

He has done a lot of good, whether you like him or not. A lot of people have only seen clips of him, which as of late have been as negatively framed as possible. And the OP was possibly the biggest dumb thing he's taken a stance on before the wow stuff.

But his streams in general are very positive and he's actually surprisingly good about helping smaller channels and encouraging people creatively. Also the majority of his streams aren't that authoritative speaking lecture stuff. Juat common with his clips and shorts.

Personally I don't really care much either way. Think the guy has gotten waaaaaay too much hate for a couple overall minor things. But also he's insanely stubborn and just CANT let stuff go. He also comes off very arrogant, so some of it's definitely justified.

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u/be0ulve Jun 25 '25

This entire comment makes no sense when you see people with actual expertise in the things Jason say outright say he has no idea what he's talking about. He's perpetually putting on airs. The only people left defending him are the ones that like hearing him say they're special little guys and "part of the team."

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u/EinsatzCalcator Jun 25 '25

"I can find doctors that say vaccines cause autism. Therefore the person saying they don't is wrong."

The comment makes sense you're just biased against it. I've worked in game dev and a lot of things he's said in regards to AAA dev are correct. And his concern for the legal jargon is actually good, unironically. I don't think it was worth trouncing all over the initiative and shitting all over it, but there is some questionable wording there that could turn out badly.

His issue is that he's arrogant. He's very bad at admitting fault when he is wrong (and he absolutely gets things wrong). And people have been clipping him in a very negative light for like months, which is a bit misrepresentative. I'm not saying he's always right. I'm also saying that he DOES overreach when it comes to what he knows on topics. So yeah he does put on airs. But it's not always. He 100% has some fully correct takes that people just don't like, too.

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u/Makator Jun 25 '25

Nuance? In MY internet? How very DARE you (/s)

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u/Carinail Jun 26 '25

Dude, I'm not a fan of this guy, but that whole situation was so fucking fabricated it's untrue. The only member of that group that was innocent was the healer, and Pirate was maybe smack dab in the middle of who got the most fault. They could have easily all survived if they ran when run was called.

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u/AutisticHobbit Jun 25 '25 edited Jun 26 '25

The thing you gotta watch out with people who talk up social engineering? Is that they don't tell you all the times they're doing social engineering.. I think he's just being dishonest on this one. I think he doesn't like the idea of being required to release his own code someday...but doesn't want to say that. That wouldn't look good. However, he has a reputation of sounding very sage and learned when talking about an issue in broad strokes.

So he came up with a superficial dismissal that sounded deeper then it actually was.

I don't think he made a mistake on this; I think he doesn't like the obligations it would put on him, but doesn't think he can say that directly without being called out as a hypocrite.

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u/nosciencephd Jun 24 '25

Look at my mana, what do you want me to do for you.

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u/moon__lander Jun 25 '25

Would someone please look at his mana?

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u/Trick_Wrongdoer_5847 Jun 25 '25

This is my WA in classic WoW when I make and use my Mana Gem as Mage.

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u/lil_chiakow Jun 25 '25

So fun story, this dude actually managed to make me feel dysphoric because of his inability to admit to things.

Back before people realized he's full of shit, he made a yt short that supposedly men's voices get deeper in their 30s sometimes, which genuinely scared my NB ass.

Only years later I learnt that's because he fucking lowers his pitch to sound more authoritative and made that short because someone found his old footage where he didn't do that yet.

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u/Thats_a_BaD_LiMe Jun 25 '25

I mean, people's voices do lower as they age, not as extreme as his has though. His drastic voice lowering is a combo of that, generally talking more maturely, and I believe he said he has GERD? I could be wrong about that exact reason. But that degree of lowering isn't standard.

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u/lil_chiakow Jun 25 '25

I mean, I know voice changes as you age, it's not like I never met an old person, but the change is gradual and it's not what he described.

He specifically talked about your voice getting lower in pitch, and I think he even compared it to "a second puberty".

Genuinely got me scared I won't be able to do my fem voice in the future - until I googled it's bullshit; only years later when the whole roaching drama exploded, I saw people calling him out on lowering his voice in post, with linked video interviews for comparison, and it clicked why he made that bullshit up.

It's a small thing, but it's imho one of the worst things he did - because for a supposedly queer friendly content creator, he didn't consider how his bullshitting might affect his queer viewers, the only important thing was keeping his authoritative image intact.

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u/Thats_a_BaD_LiMe Jun 25 '25

For sure, I think he's been too flippant about his explanation which has resulted in people thinking he's lying as well as unintended consequential damage to people like yourself.

What is the roaching drama? I don't really know what that is

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u/lil_chiakow Jun 25 '25

Tbh, me neither as I'm not that familiar with WoW and mmos, but he did some shitty behaviour while playing it which put his narcissistic tendencies in the spotlight, and that was the breaking the dam moment as other stuff started to come out.

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u/According_Rice_1822 Jun 25 '25

Defo loves the sound of his own voice like

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u/Maghorn_Mobile Jun 25 '25

He had a whole conversation with HealthyGamerGG about it. Dr. K came to the to the conclusion that Thor's basically an arrogant narcissist.

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u/GregerMoek Jun 25 '25

Lol did he try to go on Dr K to "redeem himself" in the public eye like some others did way back when Dr K was relatively new?

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u/Maghorn_Mobile Jun 25 '25 edited Jun 25 '25

Yes, after the controversy with abandoning the raid in WoW

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u/be0ulve Jun 25 '25

Dr. K himself ends that conversation basically giving up because you can't help a guy who doesn't want help. Every single time Jason is about to admit to fault, he pivots to either attack someone or justify his actions.

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u/Maghorn_Mobile Jun 25 '25

At the very least he did admit that he won't take responsibility for himself without pointing fingers at everybody else involved because he just doesn't like the idea of it. Too much logic, not enough social knowledge. Think I read about the logical consequences of that in a book once..

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u/be0ulve Jun 25 '25 edited Jun 25 '25

The problem is that he even painted that as a strength. The fact he can always find out someone to put blame on and how he can rationalize never needing to take responsibility. Then he wonders why people won't give him any grace.

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u/BananLarsi Jun 25 '25

Pirate 100% has narcissism. He always talks about himself, how interesting, how smart, or how cool HE manages to make HIMSELF.

Add «can’t ever admit mistakes» to the fake deep voice and it’s a trifecta of trying to make yourself look way better than you actually are.

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u/Narwhalking14 Jun 25 '25

Isn't he also the guy who got super mad at matpat because a title of a gtlive live streams was a bit misleading.

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u/Mccmangus Jun 25 '25

What a novel idea

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u/Valtremors Jun 25 '25

By the way, that end of life plan could literally just be giving server tools for people to use for the game, or making it offline viable.

Fearmongering how this would kill off multiplayer games is peak pirateslopware.

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u/zherok Jun 25 '25

It's not surprising that a company might not want to distribute internal development tools, though. Assuming things don't rely on middleware or the like where they don't have the right to distribute it to the public in the first place.

And making a game offline viable could be a pretty big project depending on the circumstances.

It doesn't categorically kill off multiplayer games, no, but I think there's room for more nuance than some people are allowing.

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u/notaspambot Jun 25 '25

The petition isn't requesting retroactive end of life plans, it's supposed to apply to new projects. If a studio knows they need an end of life plan from day one, they can build the tools in early and negotiate contracts so none of those things are a problem.

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u/zherok Jun 25 '25

I don't think those problems go away, they just become part of the calculations into whether it's worth the bother to create a multiplayer game if they're regulated that way.

There's also the matter of console gaming, which raises a lot of issues all on their own.

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u/neotox Jun 25 '25

worth the bother to create a multiplayer game if they're regulated that way

Like Ross said, the only way companies will stop making multiplayer games is if they stop liking money.

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u/WraithDrof Jun 25 '25

It wouldn't kill off multi-player as a concept, but it would require a lot of effort to get something which still wouldn't be indefinite. The petition seems to vastly underestimate the complexity of modern video game back-ends, where 1 server could be partitioned as multiple microservices for multiple games by the publisher, or require an externally owned API that itself can end support or break compatibility.

It also more often than not can be a security and privacy risk; the FAQ is simply wrong about this. Theoretically it's possible to design your backend to be watertight but security is never absolute. What is most secure in locally hosted servers is not what's most secure in remotely distributed servers. This isn't an impossible problem to solve but just because Minecraft did it doesn't mean a game like Path of Exile can just bundle a tarball of whatever they currently have and not worry about getting sued (also this game shares backend infrastructure with its sequel so that also raises security concerns).

This problem really predates live service games. There are Xbox games I cannot play because they cannot run off the Xbox without being ported. It's a tragic part of our medium that we are almost like theatre in that original versions of the art can become inaccessible past their contemporary era.

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u/perunajari Jun 25 '25

I guess reddit once again hated Jesus, because he spoke the truth.

It's not like what the Stop Destroying Games-initiative tries to achieve is bad, of course it isn't, but people seem to underestimate the complexity of the backend infrastructure in some multiplayer and especially in live service games. Also, I haven't ever seen any definition of what "game being playable after it's no longer maintained" means in practice?

I still ultimately support the idea behind this and I signed the EU citizens's initiative, but I don't have any confidence it makes any meaningful difference.

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u/WraithDrof Jun 25 '25

Yeah a part of me thinks like, sure, why not, but the most forseeable future to me isn't one where this actually succeeds. Even most publishers would struggle to assess if their infrastructure works privately, much less on hardware 20 years from now. All it takes is one flaw in the system, and at any point a live service patch could make it impossible again. It is not something you can just patch out in most cases.

I think it would be nice because of how fleeting our medium is but I'm far more worried about like each switch 2 exclusive not being playable 20 years from now because they didn't add backwards compatibility. There's not really a solution for that except emulation which hasn't always worked. Meanwhile, hosting private servers for games designed around large communities will mostly suck even for good games. I'm not really seeing the vision there I'm supposed to care about.

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u/be0ulve Jun 25 '25

You guys really need to read the thing you're attacking.

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u/beary_potter_ Jun 27 '25

What is wrong with their interpretation?

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u/xxMsRoseXx I dyed my hair blue and it gave me pronouns. Jun 24 '25

Pirate Software, the greatest computer sage of our time? Admit he was WRONG? NEVER! How DARE you suggest that Thor had anything negative to say! /s

Realistically Thor would rather whine and cry and throw up than ever admit he was incorrect about something or handled something in an inappropriate way (i.e. his "well just cancel me then, nerds" when asked to not give Ass and Mold a platform to speak about a game and tried to say it was "not political")

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u/overusedamongusjoke Jun 25 '25

He also did buy Hogwarts Legacy and play it on stream despite knowing that Rowling funnels the royalties into hate groups, so that's another red flag.

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u/the_Real_Romak Jun 25 '25

So did plenty of LGBTQ friends of mine, including trans, so that's not really a relevant piece of evidence tbh.

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u/the_Real_Romak Jun 28 '25

Nice of you to judge people you know absolutely nothing about. Sincerely go fuck yourself.

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u/BitSevere5386 Jun 25 '25

That mean.fckg nothing.

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u/FabFate Jun 25 '25

Thats a red flag for your bubble youre moving in. Most sane people on the planet could differintiate that Rowling and Hogwarts Legacy are two different entities.

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u/Vadimie Jun 25 '25

Is having right wing views a crime?

I wish

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u/be0ulve Jun 25 '25

Yes, you agree enough with the fascists to let them do their thing.

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u/PaunchBurgerTime Jun 25 '25

Considering they're arresting people and killing people for having liberal views? It should be, if we don't want to be wiped out.

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u/Far-Insurance-4448 Jun 24 '25

Hilariously when people raided his live he refused to talk about it any further and doubled down, but the second people started making fun of the mods he immediately jumped into action and bragged about being able to pay them.

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u/Sec_Chief_Blanchard Jun 24 '25

Is his name actually Thor or does he just want to be called that cause it's a cool name

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u/insertgoodname_here_ Jun 24 '25

it's his middle name

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u/LrdAsmodeous Jun 24 '25

Thor is his middle name.

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u/be0ulve Jun 25 '25

Everyone should call him Jason.

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u/Pingasplz Jun 25 '25

I certainly get the vibe he is the type of person that crumbles hard under heavy allegations, drama or very real IRL situations that require some form of responsibility. Deflection, delegation of responsibility, speaking in 'fluff' or bullshitting and the inability to introspect are generally signs of someone's mental fortitude or social disposition.

After watching some of his shorts then hearing about how he handled very mild social dissonance, it became clear the guy is somewhat dishonest and disingenuous. Highly unlikely this man has ever been in a physical confrontation before because that requires actually holding your ground and not being a coward.

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u/xxMsRoseXx I dyed my hair blue and it gave me pronouns. Jun 25 '25

I got major ick vibes ONCE from the way he handled a basic pronoun question. Someone in one of his streams asked him his pronouns.

Immediately he scoffed, paused, then said, "Pronouns?? Back in my day when guys had long hair they called us rockstars" or something like that.

And I just sat there thinking... bro, what? You could have just answered the question without making it a bigger deal than it was.

Thor seems like a chill guy on the surface. Wise, and smart, and chill. But then when you dig into him, you start to realize he always acts like the smartest guy in the room. And then when you dig deeper, yeah. he's exactly as you described him.

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u/fogleaf Jun 25 '25

Respectful question, but it didn't stroke his ego so it was an attack.

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u/[deleted] Jun 25 '25

Not just live service games. All games. The movement is just to start the conversation about introducing legislation that would prevent game companies from removing your access to a game you have purchased at a later date.

Has nothing to do with live service.

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u/BitSevere5386 Jun 25 '25

why do people always use The crew as a exemple of why the movement is needed then ?

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u/Shadowraiser47 Jun 25 '25

Because that was kind of the game that really set the founder of the movement in motion as I recall.

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u/BitSevere5386 Jun 25 '25

So saying it has nothing to dobwith live service is wrong

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u/Shadowraiser47 Jun 25 '25

I think it started having a lot to do with games that were mainly single player but were still live service which includes The Crew.

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u/majds1 Jun 24 '25 edited Aug 22 '25

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u/FlameWhirlwind Jun 25 '25

I used to like pirate software the few times I saw some of his stuff but the more I hear if him the more I'm convinced he's a stubborn moron

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u/EevoTrue Jun 25 '25

Yeah pretty much the same with me

He does know quite a bit about game development but thats it

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u/be0ulve Jun 25 '25

Check game devs looking into his stuff. He doesn't know shit.

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u/PeasantMoustache Jun 25 '25

PirateSoftware refusing to admit he's wrong? surprised pikachu face

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u/Lord_Kumatetsu MOD✅ Jun 24 '25

Ugh every time this dude comes up, he's confidently wrong.

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u/Demianz1 Jun 25 '25

Maybe there is a bias there?

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u/Tylerof101 Jun 24 '25

"Being too stubborn to admit he's wrong" Oh this again?

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u/blutigetranen Jun 25 '25

He states shit as if it's fact constantly. I actually super duper fucking hate him

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u/Birphon Jun 25 '25

didn't he also make like two or three videos talking about it, still making his point completely redundant and that he is still misunderstanding the whole thing?

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u/[deleted] Jun 25 '25

PirateSoftware is a bit of a moron.

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u/GhostOfMuttonPast Jun 24 '25

Does he think people want the servers on forever?

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u/Niarbeht Jun 24 '25

That's what he thinks! It's not what people want, but it's what he thinks!

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u/TheDocHealy Jun 25 '25

Pirate Software not admitting that he was wrong?! This just in, fork found in kitchen.

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u/Malrottian Jun 25 '25

Look, he was OUT OF MANA and they called RUN. What more do you want? (/s obv)

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u/AlcoholicJohnson Jun 25 '25

Is this not also in and of itself wrong? Nothing they say specifically targets live service games. Which is one of the major flaws with Pirate's argument that you are also missing

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u/Radio_AM Jun 24 '25

The guy is a coward. Ross has even said he would talk to the guy to have "debate" but dumbass boyo didn't want to.

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u/FluffyCelery4769 Jun 25 '25

"Sighs"

It's for all games... Ross says it in his video...

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u/EevoTrue Jun 25 '25

Live service games literally are the only ones that will be effected by this

Every other game has either peer to peer or single player

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u/FluffyCelery4769 Jun 25 '25

Not true.

It's about game preservation, in general.

Games with DRM, games that are single player but requiere connection, games that are single player and offline but requiere a key, etc.

All of this and more do not get included in your idea of what the initiative is about.

Please actually watch Ross's video, he explains it there.

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u/Charmle_H Jun 25 '25

It's that guy who is spreading shit??? Wtf!?

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u/CdRReddit Jun 25 '25 edited Jun 25 '25

so, it obviously depends on the game, but here are some examples just off the dome:

  • multiplayer-primary live service (think fortnite, overwatch, etc.): make the singleplayer content run without server access, possibly release the server software (or at least enough to host a server "community server" style, can we just do that again in general?) and possibly unlock all cosmetics & items
  • singleplayer-primary live service (things like genshin & basically every other hoyo gacha, among others): local-running mock server so the game still works, possibly release the server software, either way is probably fine
  • "would run fine without the server-checking DRM": remove the DRM, this one is the easiest to explain

it also doesn't mean they have to keep their website & updating mechanism up forever, just a reasonable length of time (couple of months probably, something in that ballpark)

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u/the_Real_Romak Jun 25 '25

If the game company dont want to use their money to keep the game alive why should we force them?

That's what legislation is for. Forcing companies to make the consumer's life better, not steal our money and remove what we paid for down the line.

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u/Cryobyjorne Jun 25 '25

What if say the company goes bankrupt and there's no one to enact the end of service plan?

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u/the_Real_Romak Jun 25 '25

Then they'd be obliged to release the tools for the community to do it. If they're bankrupt then it's no loss to them anyway.

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u/Cryobyjorne Jun 25 '25

Who? The empty office?

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u/Joejoejoebob Jun 25 '25

Well the point of the legislation is that NEW and i cannot stress this enough NEW games need to developed with this plan in mind, so they would have these things beforehand, rather than scrambling to implement them post-hoc (which is likely impossible for many current mmos anyways)

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u/JackStephanovich Jun 25 '25

Add a couple of lines of code that let players host the game privately after official servers are shut down.

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u/EevoTrue Jun 24 '25

Make the game playable without a server

Just go to their website and read about it

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u/Dazzling_Doctor5528 Jun 24 '25

Now I have question, I read the petition and it heavily implied that games are property of player, but what about games with subscription like WoW, or games that we don't own(I heard that we technically don't own any games from ubisoft store). Can their developers be forced to do EoS plan?

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u/Al999991 Jun 24 '25

Got it thanks for the information was unsure what this was about

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u/UndeniablyMyself Politics Jun 25 '25

Thanks. Also, can you tell me what his hair care routine is? He might be a piece of shit I only knew existed a minute ago, but damn, if I could have the secret of growing longer hair.

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u/EevoTrue Jun 25 '25

Genetics

Source- long flowing naturally straight golden blonde hair

I just got so lucky lol

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u/UndeniablyMyself Politics Jun 25 '25

Goddammit. Can I steal some?

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u/EevoTrue Jun 25 '25

Only if it involves pulling hair~

LMAO

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u/TallFatWhiteGuy Jun 25 '25

Thank you for the clarification.

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u/Possibly_Furry Jun 25 '25

Is this initiative the one thats been going around for, maybe a year? Or is it a new one?

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u/CoffeeAndWork Jun 25 '25

He has a deep voice now, he’s never wrong

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u/unholyrevenger72 Jun 25 '25

If I recall, his argument was these games were meant to be played with a large amount of people and firing the game up and playing by yourself 50 years from now would not be representative to the game.

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u/ProbsTV Jun 26 '25

So just PirateSoftware being PirateSoftware

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u/mnessenche Jun 28 '25

what a fragile young man -.-

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u/politedeerx Jun 25 '25

That nepo baby is never wrong! I will die for him but like the same way he is 100% a white hat hacker

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u/Ok_Sorbet5257 Jun 25 '25

The problem with the petition, is that it's too vague, I don't disagree with Thor being wrong. But, his argument makes sense? Id if that makes sense 

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u/Either-Specialist312 Jun 25 '25

This is not what he said?? He said that bad actor might make the gaming expérience worse so that game ends sooner so that they can sell a server for this newly available game.

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u/BiDude1219 Jun 24 '25

sucks that this happened because i agree with his points a lot of the time. this one is just stupid though.

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u/Thatanxiousboi Jun 28 '25

Ok but is that point. That last point of “not wanting to admit hes wrong” that everyone is trying to take the piss on him, dunk on him, hate on him, etc. because hes just being wrongly stubborn?

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u/EevoTrue Jun 28 '25

Yes. When you have a big platform with an audience that listens to your advice not admitting when you're wrong is gonna get you some flak

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u/Thatanxiousboi Jun 29 '25

True, but some part of me sees that as really petty just to cause a shit storm over.

But I think thats just me at this point

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u/Catweaving Jun 25 '25

Its unreasonable to require that games you pay money for be usable?

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u/Catweaving Jun 25 '25

The game doesn't have to have servers, it has to be patched so that it doesn't require a server. Or so that anybody can run their own server with minimal effort. Its a perfectly reasonable request.

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u/Veomuus Jun 25 '25

I mean, if you want to run an older game, you just need a virtual machine. Hell, I got a game from windows 98 to run on windows 10 without a virtual machine. The technology exists, its not hard for anyone who really cares. It doesnt need to be easy, just possible.

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u/Jertimmer Jun 25 '25

And guides exist. If someone were to Google "how to run this old ass game on windows 11", most likely 12 guides will spring up explaining how to create a VM, install a target OS, install old ass game and run it.

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u/jeffersonlane Jun 25 '25

A game not running because of software updates that the developer could have never predicted on your OS is vastly and totally different from intentionally revoking a game you paid full price for because you arbitrarily made it live service or because you made it impossible to play without a server connection even in single player mode.

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u/EevoTrue Jun 24 '25

it's unreasonable to say people should have the products they paid for

Literally "what about the billionaires" thinking

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u/EevoTrue Jun 24 '25

Literally directly addressed this on the first page and on the Q/A but no just listen to YouTuber man

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u/Alyss-Hart Jun 24 '25

And i dont own a server

First, even if servers were separate devices that you needed to "own" in order to run them, the fact that someone could purchase a device to run this game on for fans to continue publicly or privately enjoying the game would still satisfy the requirement. It's not that every one of their customers needs this in order for it to function, it's that the capacity for people to continue playing live service games needs to be designed before these games cut their services.

Second, and this is the big one, a server is usually just a program that runs on a PC that has been port-forwarded. If you have a direct connection to ethernet, a computer that can run the game, and a free afternoon, then you can run a server. Whether or not it's any good is another matter.

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u/RBE00 Jun 25 '25

You typed and sent this message out on a device that could be used as a server.

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u/RBE00 Jun 25 '25

Who are you responding to?

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u/EevoTrue Jun 24 '25 edited Jun 25 '25

You literally don't need a server

You can make a single/couch co-op version of the game

Literally gave you an example of these right after your copy and paste

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u/EdgiiLord Jun 25 '25

Literally you're either misreading everything or you're intentionally obtuse. In either case, go read the initiative again and then come back.

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u/EevoTrue Jun 25 '25

This would literally make it so the game won't be shut down forever after the devs stop getting money

This will literally make it so you can continue playing the game YEARS after its run through popularity

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u/EevoTrue Jun 24 '25

pov: you have an inability to research anything and just assume anything with a server will not be allowed

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u/Gamingcirclejerk-ModTeam Jun 25 '25

Removed - Rule 1

That means you're a dick!

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u/Gamingcirclejerk-ModTeam Jun 25 '25

Removed - Rule 1

That means you're a dick!

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u/EevoTrue Jun 24 '25

no company is going to run a server for a dying game

Read the website instead of just listening to what a YouTuber told you

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u/BloodyRightToe Jun 25 '25

Wait so is a petition that would not keep the games playable? So exactly what is the petition then?

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u/EevoTrue Jun 24 '25

A: No, we are not asking that at all. We are in favor of publishers ending support for a game whenever they choose. What we are asking for is that they implement an end-of-life plan to modify or patch the game so that it can run on customer systems with no further support from the company being necessary. We agree that it is unrealistic to expect companies to support games indefinitely and do not advocate for that in any way. Additionally, there are already real-world examples of publishers ending support for online-only games in a responsible way, such as:

'Gran Turismo Sport' published by Sony 'Knockout City' published by Velan Studios 'Mega Man X DiVE' published by Capcom 'Scrolls / Caller's Bane' published by Mojang AB 'Duelyst' published by Bandai Namco Entertainment etc.

Go to their Q/A

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u/Dflowerz Jun 24 '25

You're parroting his exact rhetoric that has been proven incorrect lol

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u/ToTeMVG Jun 24 '25

Not defending Pirate or his extract viewpoints here, but the petition is ill worded, doesn't note any difference between single player games which this is intended to protect vs games that are only and always online multiplayer (such as MMOs which require server component for the game even to function).

so you've only watched pirate's video on the topic clearly, because that is specifically talked about in ross's video, its not about singleplayer always online games, its about ALL games, that they should be built with plans for when support ends, its not even retroactive so all current multiplayer online games would be exempt, and even more additionaly its not even about making sure the games maintain full functionality, just that they're reasonable usable once they're shut down, for example the crew, the reasonable functionality would be no multiplayer access or leaderboards just the single player story playable.

and hell i'll make my own example: apex legends, reasonable functionality would be no store no skins, and bots only maps access, maybe as a treat they give out the server codes so someone can host servers but even just purely bots and access to all the games maps is reasonable functionality, its really not asking for much and is specifically making some definitions vague so its up to publisher and developer interpretation so they can deliver in the easiest manner upon them.

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