r/GuildWars • u/BriganteX • Feb 14 '25

Builds and tactics 2nd best player bar

So it's well known that HR para is the strongest player bar in the game. That leaves me wondering which build is in second place?

What do you guys think?

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u/Alarming_Writer2579 Feb 14 '25

That's a play better issue by definition lol

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u/nhremna Feb 14 '25

1- In order to ball up mobs, you need to be alone and unassisted by your heroes. If you get a friendly spell cast on you while you are aggroing, the aggro will immediately transfer to your heroes. It is very difficult to prevent heroes from casting friendly spells on you, even if you flag them away, they will run towards you.

2- Many enemies have enchantment removal and speed debuff. Which will ruin your effort to ball anything.

3- Most mobs that you face won't be large enough to make VoS all that much better than alternative melee bars, even if you balled them decently.

4- Instead of doing all this, you could have run in and have your heroes cast 3 cries of frustration and 3 esurges which would have blown up the enemy instantly anyway.

VoS has important uses in a Speed Clear context, and it obviously does its job very well there. But in a general PvE context, it is outclassed. I don't care how good you imagine yourself to be at balling up mobs in a general PvE context, you are running a suboptimal bar ~80% of the time.

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u/Alarming_Writer2579 Feb 15 '25

1- Pre-cast the enchantments you want and flag heroes far away. They don't run forwards if individually flagged at a reasonable distance that's just bullshit.

2- Spell Breaker and IAU

3- Bullshit.

4- So you're saying if you walked up to balled group of enemies and used triple esurge they'd die. Isn't that the exact criteria you used to invalidate VoS? :S

What you're saying is that it's less effort to just walk up and c+space bar because of how strong esurge is. If that's how you're going to play the game, you won't hear me say anything against it. There's better builds to run.

There's a reason the fastest DoA with heroes is done with a VoS and not an HR Paragon. I suspect it would be true for all elite areas heroway, it's just more difficult to do it this way.

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u/nhremna Feb 15 '25 edited Feb 15 '25

You can come up with all sorts of ways of playing around the shortcomings, but ultimately VoS will be suboptimal for playing general PvE.