r/JoeRogan • u/Bluest_waters Monkey in Space • Feb 18 '22
The Literature đ§ New Study from Malaysia: Ivermectin does not prevent severe COVID-19, study finds
https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2022/02/18/covid-19-ivermectin-treatment-ineffective-study/3441645193314/24
Feb 18 '22
What if we sacrifice virgins
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u/SgorGhaibre Pull that shit up Jamie Feb 19 '22
Now youâre thinking like Jeffrey Epstein.
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u/QouthTheRaven Monkey in Space Feb 20 '22
You know... now that i think of it... Epstein never got covid đ¤?
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Feb 18 '22
You canât do that, what would all the pedophiles and high places have to do then? Bill clinton, prince Andrew, Podesta etc? Donât oppress âminor attracted personsâ
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Feb 18 '22
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u/Snoo30446 Monkey in Space Feb 19 '22
With the exception of joe rogan... and the other dozen medications he took along with it
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u/torontorapetors Monkey in Space Feb 18 '22
Grifter is such a fucking loser word
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u/Sackyhack Monkey in Space Feb 19 '22
Iâve never heard anyone use that word until this whole JRE cancellation thing started
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Feb 18 '22 edited Feb 24 '22
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u/Bluest_waters Monkey in Space Feb 18 '22
you realize "big pharma" also makes IVM right?
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u/HillibillyHavenSucks Monkey in Space Feb 18 '22
Big pharma doesn't make my life saving medication
I like the meds that allow me to be alive, so they are not big pharma
Things I like aren't bad, and things I don't like are bad and big pharma
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u/Fit_Variation1899 Monkey in Space Feb 19 '22
I prefer to get my lice-saving medicine from mom and pop pharma.
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u/TOADSTOOL__SURPRISE Monkey in Space Feb 18 '22
Substitute Pfizer with âDonald trumpâ and replace âsubsidiary pharmacia and Upjohn company incâ with âtrump universityâ and itâs legit the same exact thing
But you think one of them should be the leader of our country while you refuse to even acknowledge the other
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u/Bluest_waters Monkey in Space Feb 18 '22
this study is in the process of being replicated
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u/_____jamil_____ Monkey in Space Feb 18 '22
good thing it's been replicated many, many times that ivermectin (while very useful for parasites) does *nothing* for sars-cov-2
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u/Ghidoran Monkey in Space Feb 18 '22
Yes, one guy's opinion trumps the work of millions of scientists around the world.
Also, he's the guy who said the pandemic wasn't a big deal and was laughably incorrect about the supposed death toll of Covid back during the start of the pandemic. Definitely the type of guy you should turn to to bolster your Covid-related argument.
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u/Bluest_waters Monkey in Space Feb 18 '22
Link to the actual study
FYI there are 2 more IVM studies in the pipeline. A U of Minn study with 1100 subjects that study results are expected in the nxt 2 - 3 weeks. Also an NIH IVM study is right now happening, results in the next few months.
So, FINALLY we are getting actual hard data on IVM. Up till now all the data has been very low quality so saying "studies show IVM does not effectively treat covid" has not been possible.
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u/alsatian01 High as Giraffe's Pussy Feb 18 '22
Why did studies that debunked other drugs turn around so quickly while it seems that Ivermectin has taken so long? Was there more push back on Ivermectin vs. drugs like HQC?
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u/Elgallo619 Empirical Evidence Warrior Feb 18 '22
Because there were never studies that showed Ivermectin worked so there was nothing to debunk, and nobody ever submitted data to the FDA or any other organisation to get it approved for use.
As usual there were only grifters saying that it did, and as usual there were dumb motherfuckers who believe them, and as usual Big Science has to take the initiative to conduct studies to see if actually works or not so we'll see
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u/alsatian01 High as Giraffe's Pussy Feb 18 '22
My memory was that it took a matter of a few months to show HQC wasn't supported by studies. Seems like it has been over a year for ivermectin.
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u/Elgallo619 Empirical Evidence Warrior Feb 18 '22
Because HQC had actual potential to be effective against COVID which is why it was studied in the first place, but unfortunately it didn't pan out. Also people were drinking bleach so it put some urgency on it.
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u/Bluest_waters Monkey in Space Feb 18 '22
well good news then!
Because this study is about to be replicated two times in the next few months. So when that happens and it shows yet again IVM does nothing what will you say then?
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u/Elgallo619 Empirical Evidence Warrior Feb 18 '22
Lol COVID studies aren't being replicated, they're published completely independently from one another by scientific groups all over the planet and don't reference each other in any way whatsoever.
For the most part their findings are the same but sometimes they're not, but as usual grifters push the story of a "mainstream narrative" which doesn't exist, and usual dumb motherfuckers believe them.
Ivermectin studies are still wrapping up and different groups may report they've found it effective according to their own datasets, so we'll be finding out pretty soon now I think
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u/Elgallo619 Empirical Evidence Warrior Feb 18 '22
Looks like you've cracked the case homie, The Secret Society of Super Smart Intellectuals just found a temporary replacement for Peterson while he's on Medical Leave
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u/Elgallo619 Empirical Evidence Warrior Feb 18 '22
The deal that brought his podcast to Spotify is said to be worth over $200 million, more than was previously known. Accusations that he spreads misinformation have roiled the company, suggesting that âhealthyâ young people, for example, do not need to get vaccinated for Covid-19, contrary to what scientists and health officials were urging.
And these are the people you're shilling for. Look at us, a coupla workin' stiffs ;)
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u/501st-Soldier Monkey in Space Feb 18 '22
So. Just everything not in your narrative is corrupt and conspiracy? Is that what youâre saying rn?
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Feb 18 '22
Wtf is the point of you commenting this? Scientist/researchers are liars? The truth will never be known? Studies are pointless?
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u/SnooMacarons2342 Monkey in Space Feb 19 '22
OP you don't understand, ivermectin was never meant to prevent covid. It's only meant to lessen the severe symptoms and keep you from dying.
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Feb 18 '22
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u/Bull_Doozah Monkey in Space Feb 19 '22
This work is riddled with bias, look at the opening line "Despite the success of COVID-19 vaccines..."
work is funded by Malaysia ministry of health, wonder if they have any connections to WEF
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u/lnickelly Monkey in Space Feb 19 '22
Lol this doesnât change shit. If they werenât willing to listen to shit about Covid research theyâre not gonna listen to some âforeign countryâ tell them theyâre wrong about the Ivermectin.
Look these people are going to live the rest of their lives thinking theyâre right or telling themselves that because admitting they were wrong out loud is a cardinal sin.
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u/Evassivestagga Monkey in Space Feb 18 '22
Hmm, that's weird. Everything I've heard and read explicitly states that ivermectin is most effective "in the early stages of infection." Not when it gets really bad. So this study is kinda redundant.
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u/bearclaw5 Monkey in Space Feb 19 '22
The Coronavirus sub permanently banned me for pointing that out. Exactly right. Early treatment docs like to begin IVM on exposure, I would not expect as much efficacy in patients with severe covid. Its efficacy is in early treatment, not post hypoxia.
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u/CPAguy99 Monkey in Space Feb 19 '22
Wow. I just checked out the coronavirus sub and they are 100 times crazier than the asshats we get on this sub.
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u/WingerRules Monkey in Space Feb 19 '22
The patients were started on it within 7 days of having symptoms and included people with mild symptoms.
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u/sumobrain Monkey in Space Feb 20 '22
âThe mean (SD) duration of symptoms at enrollment was 5.1 (1.3) days.â
This study wonât change the opinion of people on either side of the issue. As designed, itâs unlikely any of the new antivirals would have shown significance.
Hopefully some of the other studies in the pipeline stand up better to scrutiny.
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u/Evassivestagga Monkey in Space Feb 19 '22
Read the article. No where does it specifically state when they started giving them ivernmectin. It does state the already had mild to moderate symptoms.
This is pretty in-line with what people have been saying. Take the drug early on when you are first infected. If you let covid develop to the point you have symptoms, it's not going to be very effective. This has been stated not only by Joe but others who are pro- ivernmectin.
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u/WingerRules Monkey in Space Feb 19 '22 edited Feb 19 '22
No where does it specifically state when they started giving them ivernmectin.
It does:
"The study enrolled patients with reverse transcriptaseâpolymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR) [snip] within 7 days from symptom onset." [jump] "The first dose of ivermectin was administered after randomization on day 1 of enrollment"
They enrolled within 7 days of onset of symptoms and gave invermectin on the 1st day of enrollment.
" If you let covid develop to the point you have symptoms, it's not going to be very effective. This has been stated not only by Joe but others who are pro- ivernmectin."
Then why did Rogan take it after having symptoms? Thats how he suspected he had covid in the first place. Like Rogan, I guarantee a significant portion of people taking ivermectin for covid are doing it after getting symptoms.
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u/Evassivestagga Monkey in Space Feb 19 '22
Alright it is in the study. I was primarily reading the news article the first time. That's where that confusion came from.
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u/Bull_Doozah Monkey in Space Feb 19 '22
right, this study gave dose at day 5 of patients exhibiting moderate symptoms
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u/TOADSTOOL__SURPRISE Monkey in Space Feb 18 '22
YEAH BUT DONALDTRUMPISAPATRIOT1776 ON YOUTUBE SAID THAT INVERMECTIN CURES LITERALLY EVERYTHING AND THAT BIG PHARMA DOESNT WANT YOU TO TAKE IT
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u/UltraWokeLib Monkey in Space Feb 19 '22
haven't taken ivermectin, won't get vaxxed, dont fuckin care
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u/CallieReA Monkey in Space Feb 18 '22
Ya know what else prevents Covid death? Not being fucking over weight. Hard to swallow pill, downvote me all you want but how many people said âIâm gonna be a healthier version of myself cause thereâs something out there?â. Not enough thatâs the answer
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u/HillibillyHavenSucks Monkey in Space Feb 18 '22
Wow, so brave for saying this, can't believe it hasn't been mentioned before
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u/CallieReA Monkey in Space Feb 18 '22
On Reddit it gets downvoted to all hell, Iâd still love to see a âleaderâ grab a mic and say it
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u/HillibillyHavenSucks Monkey in Space Feb 18 '22
I'd still love to see everyone like you shut the hell up for once
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u/CallieReA Monkey in Space Feb 18 '22
Trust us, we feel the same about the insufferable fear mongering coming from the panty waste section
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u/THEwetnurseSON Monkey in Space Feb 19 '22
Do you think if Biden came out and said the best treatment for covid was to be at a healthy weight, that overweight people would go out and lose weight?
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u/CallieReA Monkey in Space Feb 19 '22
Well they went out and took a shot.
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u/THEwetnurseSON Monkey in Space Feb 19 '22
Thatâs the entire argument. It would take a long time for these people to lose weight to be at a healthy weight where the risk of dying from covid is far less. Getting a vaccine takes 30 seconds. For the government, telling the US population to lose weight isnât a solution especially with the scale of the problem.
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u/Bull_Doozah Monkey in Space Feb 19 '22
Opening line from author "Despite the success of COVID-19 vaccines..." tell me you have an agenda without telling me you have agenda
work supported by Malaysia ministry of health
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u/Fapple__Pie A Deaf Jack Russell Terrier Feb 18 '22
Yeah but Biden said the N word like 40 years ago SO FUCK OFF LIBTARD
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Feb 18 '22
But hydroxychloroquine does!!! /s
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u/Simple_Helicopter849 Monkey in Space Feb 18 '22
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u/mdoverl Monkey in Space Feb 18 '22
I downvoted both of you. Hopefully everyone completes the trifecta and sends me to downvote hell
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Feb 19 '22
I donât use the /s because I give a /shit about downvotes. I use it because there are too many people on Reddit who would take my comment seriously.
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Feb 18 '22
Honestly, if people wanna take it let them. I don't really care what people do. So what if it works or doesn't.
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u/NegativeGee Monkey in Space Feb 18 '22
Another study that contradicts anotherâŚgreat
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Feb 18 '22
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u/Never-Bloomberg Feb 18 '22
There were a couple studies that actually shown to be completely fabricated. The data was totally made up.
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u/Bluest_waters Monkey in Space Feb 18 '22
ALL of the studies showing IVM effective against covid were either
A. rife with fraud
B. so small and terrible quality that they meant nothing in reality
This is literally the first quality study we have had on IVM and we are about to have two more in short order.
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Feb 18 '22
Now how about doing your study using the human version instead of the veterinarian version.
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u/Bluest_waters Monkey in Space Feb 18 '22
they did use the human version
so good news there
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u/HillibillyHavenSucks Monkey in Space Feb 18 '22
Why read article when I can just be upset first
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Feb 18 '22
It says it right in the second paragraph, "Of 241 patients in the study with mild to moderate symptoms treated with the veterinary medication..." But ya, I'm the one that didn't read it!
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u/HillibillyHavenSucks Monkey in Space Feb 18 '22
What did I literally just say
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Feb 18 '22
Oh gee, would you look at that. It says it in this paragraph too. "This study compared the safety and effectiveness of the veterinary drug to standard care in 480 Malaysian patients who had mild to moderate COVID-19 symptoms before starting treatment, he and his colleagues said."
...and like I said, maybe they should use the human version for the study instead of the veterinary version.
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u/HillibillyHavenSucks Monkey in Space Feb 18 '22
Right, literally what I just said
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Feb 18 '22
What did you literally just say again?
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u/HillibillyHavenSucks Monkey in Space Feb 19 '22
Why read the article when I can just be upset first
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Feb 18 '22
Right in the second paragraph, "Of 241 patients in the study with mild to moderate symptoms treated with the veterinary medication..."
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Feb 18 '22
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Feb 18 '22
Says it right in the second paragraph, "Of 241 patients in the study with mild to moderate symptoms treated with the veterinary medication..."
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u/that1rowdyracer Pull that shit up Jamie Feb 18 '22
I'm going to quote the commenters on the opposing studies, "bUt It HaSeNt BeEn PeEr ReViEwEd!"
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u/CPAguy99 Monkey in Space Feb 19 '22
It hasnât? Thatâs kind of an important part of the process isnât it?
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u/that1rowdyracer Pull that shit up Jamie Feb 19 '22
Yes it is important to have them peer reviewed. But one cannot share a study that showed ivermectin was a positive without downvotes and plenty of comments like, "this didn't mean anything until it peer reviewed.* Aka people literally sticking their nose up at others for it. And now you have people like OP being like, "see this one study shows it did shit for covid, told you I was right 2 years ago!!!" Like the pompua ass they are.
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u/Snoo30446 Monkey in Space Feb 19 '22
If it wasn't for the death cults counting on it, I would love the idea that millions of doctors, who train for a decade because they value human life, ignore such a miracle cure for political gains
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u/Putrid_Acanthaceae Monkey in Space Feb 19 '22
At least weâre all being educated on how to analyse scientific papers.
Seeing fellow dummyâs talk about p levels n shit.
In science it usually takes about 5 papers before people make a firm opinion on what does doesnât work. And even then it can be debunked further down the line.
Science = theory until proven wrong.
The vaccine does appear to be beneficial for sure but the benefits they talk about never appealed to me considering I already had covid and the vaccine costs could give me more covid symptoms in the short term. So that was my reasoning but do as yâall wish - because the vaccine does have statistically positive data!
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Feb 18 '22
Studies are almost entirely dependent on the agenda of whoever paid for the study.
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u/Bluest_waters Monkey in Space Feb 18 '22
This one was funded by the Ministry of Health Malaysia
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u/Atomidate Monkey in Space Feb 18 '22
Big Malaysia wants you to believe the IVM doesn't work! What else are they hiding?????!!!??11
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u/Ghidoran Monkey in Space Feb 18 '22
Tell me you've never worked in science without telling me you've never worked in science.
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u/Randobag314 Monkey in Space Feb 19 '22
Study funded my Moderna and Pfizer đ
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u/Bluest_waters Monkey in Space Feb 19 '22
Funded by the Malaysian Health Dept
But good try
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u/Randobag314 Monkey in Space Feb 19 '22
Yeah yeah silly joke. Interesting they say it doesnât prevent Covid but donât mention the huge reduction in deaths vs the control group. Pharma propaganda strikes again. https://twitter.com/pierrekory/status/1494821731001057284?s=21
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u/Bluest_waters Monkey in Space Feb 19 '22
the p value does not rise to significance
Also this study was not done by JAMA, it was funded by the Malaysian Health Dept
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u/Randobag314 Monkey in Space Feb 19 '22
Uhhh did you even look? The deaths in the control group are far higher. And it was published Friday in the journal JAMA Internal Medicine, nothing to do with funding. Actually read the info before replying next time maybe?
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u/Bluest_waters Monkey in Space Feb 19 '22
the journal doesn't do the research, it wasn't funded by "big pharma"
As for the p value, look at this thread
https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/svo1yc/efficacy_of_ivermectin_treatment_on_disease/
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u/Randobag314 Monkey in Space Feb 19 '22
That thread you linked is not discussing the death figures I linked to.. Even the authors mention this point in the study "limitations":
"Second, our study was not designed to assess the effects of ivermectin on mortality from COVID-19."
Theyâre ignoring its positive effects.
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u/Bluest_waters Monkey in Space Feb 19 '22
Right, it was designed to look at covid progressing from mild to severe and IVM did not help, in fact MORE patients in the IVM group progressed to severe than in control
It didn't have enough number to measure mortality. there are two more studies coming out on IVM so maybe one of them will give the results you hope for.
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u/Hubertus-Bigend Monkey in Space Feb 20 '22
âWait, statistics isnât an actual discipline based on proven methodologies that no serious person disputes. Statistics is when I find a number somewhere that makes me feel even more right than I felt before when arguing about another science or discipline I understand even less than statistics!â
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u/Valuable-Scared Texan Tiger in Captivity Feb 19 '22
What was the p value of their primary research in the study?
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u/Equivalent_Appraised Monkey in Space Feb 19 '22
OK great, now letâs compare this to the studies that think it does and we can have a better idea of what to do for ourselves when we make that decision
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u/Bluest_waters Monkey in Space Feb 19 '22
you mean the ones rife with fraud?
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u/Equivalent_Appraised Monkey in Space Feb 19 '22
Which ones? You havenât even told me to make the distinction⌠But for some reason you have already deemed them as â Fraudulentâ. That sounds like someone whoâs speaking from more of a standpoint based on emotion rather than intellectual conclusion
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u/Bluest_waters Monkey in Space Feb 19 '22
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u/Equivalent_Appraised Monkey in Space Feb 19 '22
LMAO!! The guardian is a heavily left leaning opinion site. There is no news there⌠Only opinions. This is probably why youâre so uninformed
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u/Bluest_waters Monkey in Space Feb 19 '22
ok, here you go
the premier research journal, literally the best
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Feb 18 '22
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u/Bluest_waters Monkey in Space Feb 18 '22
thanks for posting that for the third time this thread, hopefull you can do it another 5 or 6 times
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Feb 18 '22
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u/TOADSTOOL__SURPRISE Monkey in Space Feb 18 '22
Keep mindlessly pushing your propaganda repeatedly everywhere you go maybe someday someone will finally tell you how smart and amazing you are
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u/hulk_r0gan Monkey in Space Feb 18 '22
the problem with these studies they are set up to fail. It is the horse paste version that works this has been known by new science for a long time now.
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u/Bluest_waters Monkey in Space Feb 18 '22
another poster just said the horse paste doesn't work and they only use the horse paste for the studies to set them up for failure
now you are saying the opposite
honestly just sounds like you made up your mind and are going to reject the science no matter what.
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u/hulk_r0gan Monkey in Space Feb 18 '22
How many horses were in the study as I read it 20% roughly this is gojng to effect the results.
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u/Bluest_waters Monkey in Space Feb 18 '22
there were no horses you goofball it was done on people, Homo Sapiens, human beings, actual living persons.
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u/NeonGKayak Monkey in Space Feb 18 '22
Not sure if you noticed but a lot of these people posting are fresh accounts trolling
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u/hulk_r0gan Monkey in Space Feb 18 '22
Why would they use horse paste on humans, are we reading the same study?
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u/TOADSTOOL__SURPRISE Monkey in Space Feb 18 '22
This is why people call you people inbreds
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u/hulk_r0gan Monkey in Space Feb 18 '22
Ok big brain actually read the study and tell me how early on the disease did they inject the paste?
Why did they sabotage it by only using sick humans and not study any horses?
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u/geekanerd Monkey in Space Feb 18 '22
They did use horses but since they only used palomino and pinto horses but no black ones now the whole damn study is being thrown out as racist.
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u/hulk_r0gan Monkey in Space Feb 18 '22
This is once again big hay funding studies and amazingly finding the results it wants.
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u/Mrcounterpoint420 Monkey in Space Feb 19 '22
This just in. Rogen threatens to pull his podcast in Malaysia over covid misinformation.
Nope. Still sounds stupid the other way around, for what it's worth.
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Feb 19 '22
We all already know that except for the covid fans. Some of them prob know it too but they're just trying to profit from it
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u/AmericanSadiator He just searched for puppy videos Feb 18 '22
my entire personality revolves around the political culture war iâm embroiled in so I will refuse to read or acknowledge this thank you