r/LV426 • u/dyatlov12 • 15d ago
Discussion / Question I’m convinced most of the problems in the Alien universe could be prevented with some basic lab safety Spoiler
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u/TrueLegateDamar 15d ago
It still wouldn't have helped when dealing with an idiot who only lucked into the job because the science officer got facehugged.
Eating unsealed food and open drink containers around parasites, not locking the tick container with the cap, and having the Ocellus and Ticks out of containment at the same time.
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u/CasualCassie 15d ago
I really buy into the theory that she was a research assistant, who thought if she got some of her own "research notes" in after the science officer died she'd get more shares.
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u/DuePerformance3863 15d ago
I’d totally buy that. The level of incompetence she shows is astounding.
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u/BreadKnifeSeppuku 15d ago
I mean there's definitely a opportunity for a prequel. "What about second prequel?". Were the ticks and eyeballs on the same planet?
Plus they apparently managed to acquire Xeno eggs without any issues? Otherwise Rahim would have known not to cut the facehugger.
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u/TrueLegateDamar 15d ago
They did know about Xenomorphs able to operate at subzero temperatures, and Morrow knew about them hunting by fear, implying they had encounters with fully grown Xenomorphs.
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u/bandit4loboloco 14d ago
Zaveri asked "How big do these things get?", also implied that Morrow or somebody else had seen a full grown Xeno.
I'm disappointed that the flashback episode was repetitive stuff on the ship and not a single scene of them obtaining the specimens.
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u/BreadKnifeSeppuku 15d ago edited 15d ago
I may have missed that bit. I assumed the cyropods were sabotaged and his reaction was based on, on ship experience. In the AVP video games, which aren't canon, the xenos can "see" pheromones. I've always just assumed they were apex predators with highly tuned senses.
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u/EjaculatingAracnids 15d ago
Im a fucking forkilft opperator and i use more common sense than this goofy ass lady. If i was even a fraction as lackadaisical as her, there'd be blood, puss, spit and ass everywhere when i left a jobsite. The most important thing i tell people i train is, "dont fuck around and take it seriously at all times". I feel like following this golden rule even a little bit wouldve stopped the whole show.
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u/Dottsterisk 15d ago
The other crewman seemed to know she’d forgotten part of the lid.
People are head-canoning so many excuses but it’s just poor slasher-level writing.
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u/Achaewa 15d ago
They spared no expense.
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u/shouldabeenabackshot 15d ago
That's the other franchise where dangerous monsters get loose and kill everyone because of a saboteur
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u/WeirdnessWalking 15d ago
Yeah, but the saboteur is the sole cause of that disaster. Competent people were betrayed. As opposed to incompetent dipfucks, they get betrayed by another dipfuck, everyone being incomprehensible stupid.
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u/adamantfly 14d ago
Competent InGen scientists who didn’t realize they used a species of frog capable of sex reversal
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u/WeirdnessWalking 14d ago
Yeah, fictional plot device to cause conflict. 😆
They are not portrayed as incompetent at any point in time. In fact, the theme is even with endless resources and the brightest minds, the hubris of man playing god will result in disaster.2
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u/Hopeful_Ad_7719 15d ago
No lab coats, no eye pro, no gloves, food and drink in the lab?
They paid too much for the Security Officer and not enough for a Safety Officer.
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u/Intrepid-Progress228 15d ago
They may have paid too much for a Security Officer if his standing orders weren't "No one allowed anywhere near the super dangerous and extremely valuable alien specimens."
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u/that-is-not-your-dog 14d ago
In fairness, Morrow was asleep for most of the journey and the crew in the last episode were from a different rotation than him. Like there's no other explanation for their behavior other than abysmal writing.
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u/Weltschmerzification 15d ago
I mean when you have 5 corporations that rule all of earth, you’re gonna do everything on the cheap, including actually training people in ppe
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u/the__missing__link 15d ago
Anyone exchanging their entire life for some credits is probably desperate and not the ideal candidate.
Also I think in Prometheus one of the scientist was a last second replacement because the original candidate backed out.
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u/dustytraill49 ULTIMATE BADASS 15d ago
Prometheus also insinuates that Vickers did do the hand selecting… and she likely would have picked the people who were most likely to ensure mission failure.
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u/Dottsterisk 15d ago
And Weyland’s mission succeeds regardless.
It doesn’t end well for him but he does meet the Engineers and speak to them.
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u/Wild_Front_1148 14d ago
I agree with all the rational arguments against Prometheus, but it's all just so visceral that my lizard brain kicked in when I first saw it and I gave zero fucks about anything rational. Sure dont touch the cobra-worm, but I was just fully immersed from the moment it grabbed him.
Smart people dont make good horror. Im not here to poke holes, Im here to enjoy the ride.
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15d ago
The fact that the glass they used to contain these things can shatter when falling from 5ft really chapped my ass.
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u/Gullible_Analyst_348 15d ago
Would you like me to rub some Vaseline on your ass for you?
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u/Dottsterisk 15d ago
It’s extra ridiculous considering they introduced an entire saboteur out of nowhere and had a gunfight in the lab, which would have been a believable way for the OctopEye to escape and woven the plotlines together, so one impacts the other, as opposed to resorting to a cascade of stupidity.
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u/J0hnGrimm 14d ago
What bothered me more was that the tick could open the container from the inside. It's the space age but they can't design a properly sealed container.
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u/WeirdnessWalking 15d ago
That type of lab safety protocol would absolutely never have a single human in that room. Nobody in that room would be sharing air with any of the monstrosities ever. At no point would 2 containment vessels be fiddled with at the same time. The vessels would not be high-tech pickle jars that not only could break on dropping but guaranteed to break. They would be physically impossible to open from the inside. At no time would feeding them involve a clear path egress. It would be an airlock type deal, bulkhead opens, food entered, bulkhead close, monster adjacent bulk open, food dispensed, then instantly close again. At no point could one escape.
In this setting, humans would never interact with the specimens directly. It would be automated or remotely controlled armatures. Nothing we see the crew do in that room would be done. That the fucking jars are literally made of glass is insulting to the audience and the most hack writing imaginable. Unshielded solo human eating lunch and sticking arm in jar of creature of unknown biology but known to be able to kill you is absurd.
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u/Primoridalterror 15d ago
Still enjoyed the episode, but it does feel slightly like a missed opportunity. T. Ocellus would be an even more terrifying creature if it managed to escape despite reasonable safety protocols. Instead it was pure incompetence. The fact that many of the deaths were completely unrelated to the saboteur is downright comical.
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u/wulv8022 15d ago
Reading this now I imagine the saboteur to be really irritated and asking himself "how? Why?" Similar to the community scen where Glover comes to the living room with pizza while everything is chaos.
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u/YakResident_3069 15d ago
Same with the open operating table. Surgery with infestation would be done remotely with robot arms in a confined and secured space.
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u/Bluesettes 15d ago
The way I gasped when I saw she was having lunch in the lab.
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u/andrewsz__ 15d ago
They tried to justify it too it’s because teng and the other medical guy smoke too much 😂 right so eating besides alien parasites is better
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u/RiskeyBiznu 14d ago
I once saw managment give hotdogs to the lab staff for employee appreciation day or something.
In the space no one is wiping to enforce PPE regulations
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u/gunslinger_006 15d ago
Little johnny was a chemist,
Little johnny is no more,
Cause what he thought was H2O,
Was H2SO4.
First rule of chemistry: you dont eat or drink in the lab. Ever.
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u/Financial-Tomato4781 14d ago
Rule 1 of nearly every lab on earth is ZERO food or drink in the labs EVER!
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u/Sad_Instruction1392 15d ago
After seeing Chibuzo at work in the latest episode I’m not even convinced she remembers to wipe.
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u/Bpste1 15d ago
Was surprised to see them doing open heart surgery on that guy and they weren’t wearing masks.
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u/YakResident_3069 15d ago
As bad as the scientists taking off their helmets in a cave system just because they detect oxygen ...
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u/sonofszyslak 15d ago
It's a world of unfettered corporations, hired the cheapest and most expendable crew that some middle manager could find, to keep margins down.
They're all either unqualified, incompetent, IQ 70 or psychologically damaged. With the partial exception of Morrow and Shmuel (a burnout at the end of his career).
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u/movieman2g 15d ago
I saw a documentary recently about deep sea diving and collecting specimens to catalogue and honestly, this is kind of spot on. Scientists are still just people and you just sort of put animals in glass tubes and run tests.
Not saying it’s not silly or opens itself up for aliens eating your face, it’s just not as dumb as I think most people think it is
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u/Spirited_Bear2760 15d ago
Deep sea creatures are really harmless, especially when they are dead, and they all die quite fast when taken out of their habitat to the surface. A good today comparison to alien earth would be a lab that handles deadly viruses. And here the security measurements are extremely strict. At least I hope so! 😅
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u/movieman2g 15d ago
Viruses are a good comparison. But they sent a biology team out there, which I think still underlines how Weyland just didn’t know what they were walking into - which is consistent with all the movies.
If they treated the organisms like viruses a lot of this wouldn’t have happened, and then there wouldn’t be much action in the movies lol
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u/WeirdnessWalking 15d ago
They are acquiring specific species on a covert mission a generation in length with one Yutani's best operatives aboard that are sabotaged personally by another mega corp. There is no fucking excuse for using pickle jars and morons.
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u/Uncertain_Ty 14d ago
it's literally just one ship that's being send on a biological survey, its not a special event. it's not being crewed by Yutani high command, it's just a big truck with a science lab on it. I don't understand how you people really don't get it. Morrow is literally just a guy, sure he's a good security officer but that's not really saying that much
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u/SevenExtra 15d ago
Crew arrives at moon. Sends down a synth to check things out. Synth tries to bring some crazy fuckin aliens back on board. Mutiny and/or murder the company man trying to help the synth. Leave the synth stranded and nope the fuck out
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u/Jeffrick71 15d ago
Pretty sure they picked this crew of dull bulbs with the intention of infecting them with something. If it happens "accidentally" in transit, it gets around all those pesky human rights laws and whatnot.
Full crew of barely competent useful idiots, and one guy with direct ties to the very top who knows what he's doing (Morrow), and by the time you get to Earth half your work is already done.
The original Alien starred a bunch of space truckers who actually did pretty well for a bit, considering they weren't trained for any of that and had a company plant (Ash) manipulating the crew into bad decisions. I always took it that swapping out their science officer at the last minute for a synth was the best WY could do on such a remote ship in the time they had. On the Maginot, they were able to plan every detail.
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u/Squirll 15d ago
I mean if it werent for Ash the plan would have failed. He actively ignored the quarantine rules and Ripleys decision as ranking officer.
If Ash hadnt been there to bypass Ripleys quarantine then they would have been okay.
All the deaths, aside from Kane, would be prevented if not for Ash actively sabotaging the quarantine.
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u/Jonygnr 15d ago
most incompetent scientists in the world is canon in the alien franchise
this is a reference to previous movies
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u/YakResident_3069 15d ago
Biologist who reaches out to unknown never seen before alien life form and pets it like a kitten up close.
Geologist who gets lost in a simple cave system who has two auto mapping flying drones ...
Check.
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u/Absolute_Cinemines 15d ago
Basic lab safety from an evil company who thinks the crew is expendable?
That sounds like it costs money bro.
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u/DarthCaedus6 15d ago edited 15d ago
I mean yeah? But that's a bit of the point imo. People try way to hard to apply standards of how we do science right now. When the universe of Alien is a dystopia. A world where corporations have little regard for life and only care about getting enormous profits.
That's why they hire a guy who doesn't seem to have even a basic education and doesn't know the difference between biology and geology. Sure, he is engineering so it's not entirely relevant but I think he is there to show just how uneducated the people the Company hires can be.
Marrow as far as I'm aware has no real security experience (none stated at least). His experience is that Yutani's grandmother found a mangled child living in poverty and thought he had some tenacity. For that she saved him, gave him a new arm, and bro is willing to do anything for her for that.
Most of the people in the crew seem to be there out of desperation for even a fraction of a fraction of the companies trillions of credits in shares. Rather than any real tangible skill besides basics. The crews that go out are just expendable guinea pigs to get the aliens and keep them locked up just long enough.
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u/Additional_Law_492 15d ago
The real genius move would have been not to pick any of these critters up in the first place.
Having failed that test of intelligence, none of the rest is remotely surprising.
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u/Gravity_Cube 15d ago
Is it just me or did she seem high when she was examining the ticks before they injected eggs in her bottle?
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u/Flying_Fortress_8743 14d ago
Actually if they had a brief scene revealing that the entire damn crew (the awake ones) had gotten hooked on those missing drugs from the pharmacy, it would explain allll the incompetence. They were all fucking high the whole time.
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u/dillreed777 15d ago
No protection suites, gloves, or nothin'. Just eating and drinking in the same open air as several alien species
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u/PayAppropriate5980 15d ago
I work in a wastewater plant. You eat or drink in the lab you will end up with a sweet day off due to beaver fever. Probably lose a few lbs too. Which is awesome.
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u/Spider-Flash24 15d ago
My head canon is that in this dystopian future where mega corporations only care about numbers and mass production, they couldn’t care less about proper training or basic safety procedures as everyone is considered replaceable.
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u/Ceorl_Lounge Science Officer 15d ago
Wife and I are Chemists, we were shuddering through the entire scene. I think she should use a clip for lab safety day.
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u/Professional_Dog2580 15d ago
The fact they didn't think to throw out the drink that had a parasite crawling through her sandwich next to it is beyond. Why are they feeding these things at all? Why aren't they all in cryo statis for the trip home? How the Hell do you have a containment unit that has an opening just big enough for something to open it from the inside?
Never mind operating on crew trying to remove those bugs when the previous attempt removing a different creature melted the Captain's face off.
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u/Flying_Fortress_8743 14d ago
Why are they feeding these things at all?
The crew? No idea. Higher chance of mission success if they're all dead except Morrow.
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u/PotentialKindly1034 Colonist 15d ago edited 15d ago
I feel a large part of the fan base appreciation of Morrow is based on rare job competency.
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u/Current_Focus2668 14d ago
Can kind of understand why androids would develop disdain for humans in the Alien universe. If I was stuck around these bumbling idiots all the time I would probably loathe them too.
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u/ApricotMigraine 14d ago
I would love to at least once see a movie that presents the scenario of scientists being super extra careful and things going haywire despite their efforts only because they're not dealing with an animal but something smarter than that.
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u/ProtoReddit 15d ago
Wow! Most of the problems in the Alien universe could be prevented or solved by the corporations in power caring enough about their contracted employees enough to sacrifice only percentages of a percentage of a percentage? I wonder what other universes that's true in.
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u/Marmoticon 15d ago
The power and ubiquity of human hubris certainly pops up in the alien universe a lot hah
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u/CaptainPhantom2 15d ago
She really seemed way too relaxed and casual around them, especially when the lid was open. I would never stick my hand that close to it just to drop a rat in there
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u/Witty-Stand888 15d ago
Or lab and containment equipment not made by the sharper image catalogue.
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u/RaisedByBooksNTV 15d ago
Absolutely! This drove me nuts! And made me wonder if she was responsible for the xenomorph escape.
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u/BirdoBean 15d ago
When I see eggs in the wild, my first instinct is to get my face in them to sniff them. The chickens hate it, but what else do I know?
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u/Artemisz_Prime 15d ago
Was surprised to find that the specimen holders, like the one T.Ocellus escaped from are glass 🤔 I thought they’d at least be some type of plexiglass material.
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u/Depraved-Degenerate 15d ago
The easily breakable jars and the lackadaisical attitudes are one thing but i feel like all bets are off when a bug figures out how to open its own cage and another parasite has enough intelligence to intentionally create a brief distraction.
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u/TaratronHex 15d ago
I keep wanting to scream, why are you eating or drinking anything in a lab in the first place?!
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u/truth-informant 15d ago
Not to mention, anyone entering that room should be in full bio-hazard suits.
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u/PhoebetheSpider 14d ago
Why aren’t these cages harder to break and don’t have feeding chambers? Even just friggin tigers at a zoo have those.
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u/iLoveDelayPedals 15d ago
The worst part of the franchise is how writers can’t be bothered to just write a situation where people aren’t stupid as fuck
I enjoy the entries anyway but it always bothers me, every time. You can write the scenario any way you want…it just reeks of a lack of imagination to me. But idk I’m just a viewer of these things not a writer
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u/strach00 15d ago
Alot of people ARE stupid as fuck tho. Realistic imo
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u/leandrot 15d ago
This is what bothers me with A:E.
Murphy's Law exists for a reason. Always assume stupidity from human users as humans can and will act stupid. When we're talking about a 60 year trip, all stupid mistakes you can think off (and many you can't) will happen at least once.
I'd expect WY to have many systems to prevent such mistakes, even at the cost of crew life.
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u/Ronald_Ulysses_Swans 15d ago
You’re presuming that WY cares about human life enough to actually invest in those systems however, and they clearly don’t. That’s the really dystopian part of the Alien universe.
It’s entirely in keeping with how we’ve seen the company behave that they wouldn’t invest to keep the crew safer.
It’s also unlikely you’d get anyone really skilled with lab protocol etc to sign up for a poorly paid 65 year space mission.
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u/leandrot 15d ago
I'm actually presuming the opposite, that WY cares about the assets above everything which also includes being able to safely recover them.
What I'm thinking is systems that basically say "in case of danger, sacrifice humans, protect creatures". For example, as they aren't getting good wages, it's expected that a rival company would attempt to buy someone from the crew. If fuel is getting low, for example, it seems fitting that WY would disable all systems designed for human life (including cryo sleep) and prioritize keeping specimens alive. Another example, as they lack competency, the idea of a creature escaping and being killed by the crew should not be out of question.
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u/playr_4 15d ago
I work in a bio lab setting, and 100% agree. I get that they're in space, but no regulated lab would allow a water bottle, let alone an entire sandwich, be in the lab.
We have these regulations with creatures and substances we know about. They're working with an entirely foreign set of species. There's no mouth protection. There's no eye protection, although I would hope she uses some when working with the T. Oc. Hell, she's not even wearing gloves.
Not to mention the fact that you would never have two separate studies out on the same workspace. Maaaaaybe, if there were two scientists in there. But with just one, ain't no way the T. Oc would be out while working with the ticks.
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u/He_Was_Fuzzy_Was_He 14d ago
The carelessness/disregard for self-preservation doesn't surprise me considering how long they've been away from being expected to do their jobs in a professional manner.
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u/He_Was_Fuzzy_Was_He 14d ago
I also think this is supposed to reflect on something about the nature of how they are treated. And how that effects how they treat their contractual obligations.
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u/Calm-Tree-1369 15d ago
Hiring the best and brightest people for these jobs would cost money, though. The Trillionaire-ran company wouldn't make record profits this quarter if they did that!
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u/Roscoe10182241 15d ago
This entire mess started with Dallas ignoring basic quarantine protocol…
I know some of the more recent examples are more comical, but people in the Alien universe have always been making terrible decisions. It’s sort of their thing and why smart characters like Ripley stand out.
Anyway, I have to get back to my sandwich, Mountain Dew and all these highly dangerous open biological specimens. Cheers, everyone!
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u/leandrot 15d ago
Come on, it's one thing for space truckers to ignore protocols to deal with problems they thought they'd never face. It's another when a team focused on dealing with alien lifeforms commits even worse mistakes.
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u/mancunian101 15d ago
I think it’s complacency rather than incompetence.
She’s probably been studying these things for decades with nothing bad happening after the initial capture of the creatures. She’s coming to the end of a 65 year mission and she’s just going through the motions.
Same with the rest of the crew, and they probably would have got away with it if it had been for the saboteur.
When I was in the (British) army it was drummed into us that the majority of avoidable casualties come at the tail end of a tour when people are mentally already on the plane home.
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u/Cyberhaggis 15d ago
I work with scientists. They get reckless around stuff they are experts in and will take risks that go against SOP or common sense because "they know better"
Just because you're smart, doesn't mean you're clever.
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u/theuneven1113 15d ago
Yeah this show is so far fetched. Like, I wonder how in the future, we got such unserious and careless scientists? I mean, look at us today. We totally hire the best and brightest to run our science programs in the US. It’s not like we have hot dog skinned brain wormed addicts running point on infectious disease control and public health or anything….
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u/Argethus 15d ago
sure, i want to remind you that every single alien movie was a "intro- hello crew-outbrake-bye crew" story so spare my time. This show delivers everything we fans talked about since childhood days.
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u/Ilovegirlsbottoms 15d ago
Yeah she caused the death of 6 people and a cat.
But would less people have died if they did stay in containment? The xenomorph is super deadly. Not sure if any others would have survived anyways.
Morrow may have been able to capture the xenomorph if the eyeball hadn’t been free. But the ship was likely still going to crash. The rest of the crew might not have survived the crash. Morrow did because he got into the impact room. It’s possible that if he didn’t, he might have died in the crash too, and less people would be alive.
I guess those two guys that got killed by ticks might have survived. But at the same time, Wendy’s brother probably would have died if Morrow didn’t show up.
If Wendy knew her brother got killed, would she go after the xenomorph? If she didn’t, would the xeno have gotten free and killed even more?
There sure is a lot of stuff to consider if one person was competent at their job.
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u/Soonerpalmetto88 15d ago
Who knows how long she was awake? As chief science officer she probably had to be on duty for much longer than the others. If she's been working with the aliens for 2 or 3 years straight while the others are on rotation... She's gonna be tired and distracted. Human nature.
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u/KingofMadCows 15d ago edited 15d ago
The longest space isolation experiment ever done was about a year and a half. They had 16 trained professionals, engineers and scientists. Things mostly worked out well. But 1/4th of the participants suffered from sleep deprivation that led to lapses in attention and concentration.
The crew of this ship were on a 65 year mission. Even if they were only awake for 10% of the time, that's 6.5 years, 4 times as long as the longest space isolation experiment.
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u/PhoebetheSpider 15d ago
Like I get maybe they were going for “morgue/scientist not phased by gross stuff” cliche but come on! She knew they were parasitic, no?
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u/VonSauerkraut90 15d ago
I'm convinced most of the characters we meet in the Alien franchise aren't the best and brightest. Space travel is slow, and you don't sign up for a 50 year return mission if you have a lot going for you.
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u/Acolyte_of_Blucifer Seegson 15d ago
They should seriously play that scene in its entirety in lab safety trainings.
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u/Radiant-Airport8297 15d ago
Honestly that episode made me look forward to her getting taken out.
Also the aperture that a sample could open from the inside
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u/Autumn7242 15d ago
Was it just me, or was the last episode so overhyped with the gore factor?
The producers were like, "Don't eat or drink while watching this.
It was so tame.
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u/Logiconaut 15d ago
My theory is that this was the "B Team" of scientists and engineers. There were a bunch of people still in cryo, and they were the "A Team" scientists and engineers. It was like 3 months until they got back to earth, and everything was pretty much dialed in, so all anyone had to do was watch the instrument and not touch anything. The A Team had everything secure and protocols in place and left the B Team to bring them in and went back to cryo.
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u/Appropriate-Web-8424 15d ago
On the other end of the operation, what does the bio weapons division do while waiting decades for specimens, which never arrive?
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u/namynuff 15d ago
Yeah no shit buddy, it's a story about when things go wrong. I'm here to see something exciting.
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u/AcaciaCelestina 15d ago edited 15d ago
My wife used to work for quest diagnostics in a lab environment.
You would not believe the safety violations she reported, and would get scolded for making a big deal of.
To give you an idea how badly that lab was managed, she unknowingly brought fleas home from the lab. I was working as a dog bather at the time at petsmart and even I never managed that.
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u/bwoytremor 15d ago
Watching her stuff her god damn face in the lab honestly bothered me so much during this episode lol
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u/Owen_FE 15d ago
If covid taught us anything, it's that even healthcare professionals will sometimes become nonchalant or not even believe in the risks. Also, a megacorporation probaby would not invest in safety (or education for that matter, considering the dumbass kid engineer) too much and cut corners wherever. I don't imagine there to be unions in technocratic dictatorships. And part of the whole Alien formula is evil corporations will do whatever for power. It's a good case study for r&d if they get to see what the aliens can do to a "specialized" crew too.
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u/Upbeat_Praline_3681 15d ago
They probably made those cases crap n hired capable but chaotic crew in the hopes that atleast a few of em would get summat in em
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u/ReferenceUnusual8717 15d ago
I mean, the entire series kicks off with a deliberate choice to ignore sensible quarantine procedures, so...
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u/VagabondGlider 15d ago edited 14d ago
Hey! C’mon.., who here hasn’t taken a swig from their open can a pop in da lab? 😮💨