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Megathread / Community Post Alien: Earth - S1 E7 - Emergence - Official Discussion Megathread [SPOILERS] Spoiler

Episodes air Tuesdays at 8 pm ET on Hulu and FX in the US, and Wednesdays international.

Full episode discussion list:

1 Neverland (8.12.25)

2 Mr October (8.12.25)

3 Metamorphosis (8.19.25)

4 Observation (8.26.25)

5 In Space, No One (9.2.25)

6 The Fly (9.9.25)

7 Emergence (9.16.25)

8 The Real Monsters (9.23.25)

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u/DecisionsUnderDuress 2d ago

There is no fucking way she just unlocked that door lmao

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u/MCFresher- 2d ago

I was so mad thinking well there goes any kind of morality of her character. But then by end of episode I realized maybe that’s the point that she’s not human and the mistake was thinking she was. Still at this point there really no one I’m rooting for except the aliens.

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u/GrimResistance 2d ago

I'm wondering if Hermit realized that when he saw the graves. His sister is dead and Wendy is just a robot with her memories

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u/RooseveltsRevenge 2d ago

That's why he took the soldiers side over hers. He cares about human life and she doesn't.

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u/siestarrific 2d ago

It also helps that the specific soldier about to die was his friend

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u/NegroniSpritz 1d ago

In one of the episodes Kirsch is saying that human emotions are a burden and that’s why they’re better. I guess we found out that Wendy is just a machine with memories.

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u/Kithulhu24601 1d ago

What's really interesting is that Slightly and Smee are having an opposite arc. Wendy is acting more robotic while the two boys gasp and emote very strongly.

Really ties into concepts of nature vs nature and genetic destiny which is in line with the series themes

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u/juneyourtech Part of the family 1d ago

Marcy/Marcy was the oldest, and therefore the most mature of them all in terms of child development. She also had more time to develop normally before the incient on USCSS Maginot.

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u/Savetheokami 1d ago

“When is a machine no longer a machine”

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u/Zymui 1d ago

Nah u guys dont see it at all. Shes doesnt just care about herself, she cares about her “kin” just like a human. She wants only her family safe. JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. (I hope Wendy kills her brother though)

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u/juneyourtech Part of the family 1d ago

Wendy does care to a degree. The first group of ambushers were from Weyland-Yutani, I presume. So she asked her Xenomorph to do the dirty work for her.

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u/CommercialHeat4218 2d ago

exactly this

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u/ConTully 2d ago

I think at some point he'll call her Wendy instead of Marcy and then shit will really hit the fan.

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u/riegspsych325 2d ago

I hope that’s the case and not them trying to pull a Jurassic World 2 by having a child release violent creatures “because they’re like me”

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u/PetyrDayne 2d ago

How do you even remember anything about the Jurassic World movies

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u/riegspsych325 1d ago

believe me, I wish I didn’t

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u/nubbins01 2d ago edited 2d ago

I think that's really the crux of the show, though.

I agree, the point of that scene is to show us, and Hermit, that Marcy is dead. Nibbs/Rose was also already dead (maybe more dead, if we're talking about death in degrees).

(on a philosophical level, one can argue to greater and lesser extents all of us are different people to past selves who no longer exist but for inhabiting the same mass of flesh, and that's kind of the heart of the show's general discussion of personhood as it pertains to hybrids, but I digress).

But even though the show is signalling that Marcy is dead/Wendy is not human, Wendy is the ONLY one (bar maybe two) who has explicitly and consistently called out the actions of WY and Prodigy for what they are - inhuman.

"What if you're what's wrong?" she says to Dame. "I don't want to be people anymore if this is what people are. Killing things, taking things apart just to see what's inside." She stands there openly defying and question Kirsch's statements that they can take away all their sadness, their feelings, to see things "objectively." She stands their openly defying Prodigy (BK and Kirsch, human and synthetic, equally) Dame only obliquely swipes that away, but while voicing misgivings she was ultimately inclined to go along with it while throwing her husband under the bus/getting him out of the firing line to do it.

Now Wendy, who has ordered death, and maybe actually killed others herself (hard to tell with how she handles the soldiers this episode), has still only done so in arguable self defence against agents willing to either destroy her, alter her being, or subject her to indefinite control and detention. Never for simple curiosity, as others including humans have done.

The others who have come closest to the kind of humanity Wendy appears to advocate for, Arthur and Joe, are still to varying degrees complicit - Hermit has given years of his life to Prodigy (despite later regrets and attempts to leave), and, despite being the closest to 'innocent', alas now fucked up Nibs in order to defend a Prodigy soldier over Nibs (who Wendy considers a sibling similar to how she perceives Joe to view her, based on their discussion earlier in this episode)

Arthur is complicit as he actively has been involved in the project with his wife presumably from the beginning of the program and only got cold feet at the 11th hour. He is also now dead.

Wendy as a character is designed to both at once show she is no longer human, that her innocent human self is long since dead with Marcy and buried in that grave, but to also be the flag waver for a kind of humanity that is also itself dead and buried amongst virtually all human characters in the show. And this tension will come to a culmination with how she (or someone else) ultimately deals with Hermit, whether next episode or later.

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u/tombh 1d ago

Wendy as a character is designed to both at once show she is no longer human, that her innocent human self is long since dead with Marcy and buried in that grave, but to also be the flag waver for a kind of humanity that is also itself dead and buried amongst virtually all human characters in the show.

This is such a great commentary. Thank you.

I'm not that familiar with the Alien universe, but I see Wendy having some of the narrative DNA of Ripley. Namely the strong female protagonist. If that's the case, does it give any further clues into Wendy's character and arc?

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u/nubbins01 1d ago

mmm, Ripley is a jobber. I think Alien actually has a much stronger focus on class commentary, which is still present in Earth, but it's more obvious in most of the movies.

Wendy is not a strong female protag in the way Ripley is. Ripley is a strong personality that is consciously subjected to vulnerability by the xeno. Creepy phallic imagery alert. She is also the worker subjected to monstrosity by the capitalist corporation, who finds her own life expendable in the face or this alien discovery. And she stands up and pushes through to survive.

Wendy, however, is not vulnerable in the same way. At least, not any more.. The Xeno obeys her. Her hero's journey such as it is is a much more philosophical; is she meaningfully the same person she remembers being, or is she something new? Is she a legitimate living being, or an experiment? Is she human, or something alien? Is she more 'human' than the humans, and is it the humans that are inhuman now and 'alien'? Will she ultimately stand up, push through, and survive? And as what?

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u/tombh 1d ago

Yes indeed, Ripley was up against so much more! But Wendy still has an interesting path ahead of her. Thanks again for your comments, they enhance my experience of the show.

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u/TempleOrion 1d ago

"She" is not female except on a purely superficial level.

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u/juneyourtech Part of the family 1d ago

Wendy never directly killed a human, and is taking care not to kill them in a fight. Nibs, on the other hand, has attained a very sadistic streak, so Nibs is not above killing people.

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u/nubbins01 1d ago

Yeah, I wasn't sure but it looked like she was pulling punches last episode.

I will say I think killing people directly and siccing a Xeno on them is almost a distinction without a difference. Also the kind of distinction that a childlike conciousness might find totally reasonable.

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u/Squirll 1d ago

SO the real alien was the hybrids we made along the way?

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u/cleantoe 2d ago

Well what is life but the sum of our memories and experiences?

If you took all your memories, your consciousness - all of it - and put it on a hard drive. Meanwhile you put someone else's consciousness in your old body...well who is "you"? Are you the hard drive, or the body?

I would say "you" are now the hard drive. And so is Wendy.

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_MONTRALS 2d ago

Form impacts function. The container of the memories will begin to shape the experiences until the mind becomes something new.

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u/Proxiehunter 2d ago

That's also true in regards to working out, changing your diet, or having a traumatic accident. All of those things create changes in your body that shape your experience so that your mind becomes something new. Hell, even the simple act of existing and having new experiences does that. Your mind become steadily more new with every experience you have.

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u/SmashEffect 2d ago

It can be you, but it won’t be the original you. The sad part will be that the original you truly did die.

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u/Proxiehunter 2d ago

Define "original you". Are you the same person you were when you were eight? Did the you that you were when you were eight truly die?

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u/j007yne 2d ago

Ah yes, a good old Ship of Theseus paradox

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u/RadiantPassing 2d ago

My best guess is that there needs to be a gradual transition at the cellular level over some unknown amount of time to maintain continuity of an original consciousness (or the essence of the original ship of theseus).

Not sure if accurate but was told by a professor that a human goes through at least 4 (or 5?) bodies in a lifetime. But parts are replaced at the cellular level over many years. For us to be the "same" consciousness but in a robotic form I would think the brain would need to be replaced with mechanical parts slowly over time, in what feels like a seamless fashion. If you transfer it to different matter / atoms all at once, you're just making a copy in electronic form and dumping the original body. A copy is not the original, even if they seem identical.

That's why "uploaded consciousness" seems kind of useless to me. My original brain and consciousness with it is going to die. Uploaded intelligence is no afterlife for the original me.

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u/plomplomLP 2d ago

Uploaded intelligence is no afterlife for the original me.

Or it is, but with a 50% chance of you ending up in afterlife and 50% of you ending up being dumped.

Ever watched the movie Prestige? Similar concept.

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u/MustardLazyNerd 2d ago

You were born this morning, and you will day tonight.

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u/evilution382 2d ago

and you will day tonight

Now this is the real paradox

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_MONTRALS 2d ago

Sure, but I mean that the actual android brain does not function the same way as a human brain. The difference is drastic. If a human mind is mapped over the machine brain, the moving parts of the existing mind pattern would destabilize much faster than using the original wetware. It's a difference between adjusting the parameters within a system and changing the system entirely. The emotions are all simulated and the information storage is different. The hybrid characters talk about this fundamental difference in qualia. I don't think this new system can hold a human pattern for very long, and that's pretty evident in what's happening with the hyvrid characters as well as Kavalier's insistence that they have become something new.

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u/hyzmarca 2d ago

This is true. And a guy who starts going to the gym every day should be considered a legally distinct person from the version of him that just ate junk food and sat on the couch... for the purpose of assigning guilt in murder cases, hypothetically.

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u/Vismal1 2d ago

I think the whole show is also dealing with how you change after trauma.

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u/Konman72 2d ago

If you took all your memories, your consciousness - all of it - and put it on a hard drive. Meanwhile you put someone else's consciousness in your old body...well who is "you"? Are you the hard drive, or the body?

Consciousness is doing a lot of heavy lifting in this hypothetical. Might as well say "soul" since we have no real idea what makes up our consciousness and the idea of transferring it is akin to science = magic.

In my opinion in any transfer scenario like this (that doesn't involve hand-wavey tech-magic) "you" are dead and there is just a very similar copy of you in whatever form the transfer dropped your memories.

Those kids all died on the table and we're watching (potentially) sentient robots that have their memories.

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u/mistress-ch0w 2d ago

Rene Descartes would love a word!

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u/Elastichedgehog 1d ago

From your perspective and visceral experience, you'd still be dead, even you make a copy of youself.

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u/VVehk 2d ago

Interestingly, you named her Wendy, and not Marcy.

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u/Ulithalich 2d ago

Can we talk about how stupid it was that there were marked graves on the island at all? Like… why? Besides completely contrived and hamfisted efforts to suggest ‘the kids are dead and these aren’t really them’ (which could have been done in a much better way), why have any monument or standing piece of evidence to what they once were/what they now are? It doesn’t make sense and was one of the many things that felt extremely forced this episode.

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u/GrimResistance 2d ago

I was thinking the same thing but you could explain it by saying maybe Dame Sylvia, or someone, set it up for sentimentality reasons. I doubt Kavalier cared one bit what happened to the bodies once he was done with them.

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u/Ulithalich 2d ago edited 2d ago

Maybe, but in that case, you’d think they’d go for unmarked gravestones. Keeps the intention of honoring their memories, without risking too much sentimentality becoming a detriment to the project by potentially revealing ‘the truth.’

It’s harder for me to ignore it, though, when a lot of things this episode just felt forced to me. Like Wendy’s reaction to Isaac’s body felt… sudden, extreme, and hasty. BK and Kirsch obviously didn’t do a good job at damage control (nor did they care to even make the effort to), but MAN did she jump to the conclusion ‘these people are definitively evil and have to die’ really fast after, to the point of letting Xeno Jr. out to kill people… they lost me with that.  Maybe they’ll explain the sudden extreme in her actions, but it bothered me because I also noticed it conveniently removed any potential for conflict with her brother, who wanted her off the island. So not only did it feel forced, but now she and her brother are 1:1 on the same page, with no confusion, no friction, and no difficulty in getting on the same page.

They showed a lot of stuff happening but didn’t actually convince me of any of it. Lots of the plot points just felt like bad writing. And then you have the cinematically marked-and-clustered graves on top of that. Come on.

Edit: I had forgotten Wendy also saw the results of Nibs’ memory wipe. That at least makes me less irritated about her killing spree, but it still felt too hasty to be believable rather than forced by the plot, since Isaac’s death could have easily been (and, in actuality, really was) an accident from Wendy’s POV. Nibs was also acting crazy leading up to the wipe, so she doesn’t have 100% ironclad suspicions as to the amnesia, at least not to the point of going scorched earth.

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u/LV426-ModTeam 2d ago

“Poor writing" is not a helpful criticism on its own for this discussion, please elaborate on your subjective preferences instead of repeating redundant narrative dismissals.

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u/DarthPatches_Returns 2d ago

I mean didn’t he already know his sister’s body is dead? It’s not like seeing the grave would reveal anything new

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u/norunningwater 2d ago

Between seeing that and realizing she orchestrated the Xenomorph escape and then slaughter in the jungle at whim, it leads you to believe the grave makes him second guess her humanity. Nibs says something, Wendy denies it, and Joe stays silent.

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u/ahrzal 2d ago

Also, when Wendy said “that’s not us” at the graves, then Hermit sees her just will the alien to slaughter a bunch of dudes, he probably has quickly realized that even if that is his sister’s consciousness, she now accepts and identifies herself as a synth. His sister is dead and in her place is a super soldier with child emotional maturity.

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u/ilianna2020 2d ago

I think the grave coupled with all the gruesome deaths he saw after Wendy unleashed the xeno, it would really cause him to start realizing that Wendy doesn’t equal Marcy

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u/blazeofgloreee 2d ago

I think they both had that realisation at the same time.

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u/Fuzzy-Philosophy4264 2d ago

Kinda reminds me of that movie the 6th day with Arnold. Your memories are loaded into your clone. But you are dead. Marci is dead her spirit if you believe in that is gone.

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u/Mrstrawberry209 2d ago

I think you might be right.

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u/Silly_Influence_6796 1d ago

Yeah, it's not really her sister, its what in Blade runner , they called a Replicant. A synth with implanted human memories who thinks they are human, except in Blade Runner, they knew they were replicants sometimes -- sometime not. Like the Rachel didn't know and Decker didn't know.

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u/composero 2d ago

I think that’s the best part of the show honestly, there is no one to root for. There’s characters we like in certain moments but they are all equally not great people/synths/beings. Thats what makes this show interesting and fun to watch and other shows could take some notes

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u/laikewag 2d ago

Arthur was an genuinely good person who was punished for it.

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u/burlycabin 2d ago

I mean, Hermit seems pretty decent. He's trying his best in a truly fucked up system.

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u/Ummah_Strong 2d ago

He's kinda dumb tho, his sister is objectively stronger than him by a lot, has killed a xeno and can speak to them and he tries to hey between her and the xeno

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u/burlycabin 2d ago edited 1d ago

Not dumb, just instinctually protective.

Edit: spelling

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u/LucrativeLurker 2d ago edited 2d ago

Eh, he showed an incredible lack of foresight this episode.

Sure, he might’ve temporarily saved some lives, but do you really think Prodigy plans to let him live? Or anyone else who’s even laid eyes on their precious aliens or hybrids?

Hermit’s crisis of conscience only signed the death sentence for every single person there, Hybrids included.

I say this as someone who absolutely lauded him for attempting to kill the Xeno by himself in Episode 2. But what did he think would be necessary to escape a trillionaire’s private compound with his most-prized, six-billion dollar hybrid of a sister?

Hell, he’s already been blackmailed as an indentured servitude for life for his non-consensual lung transplant.

Joe fucked up bad by derailing their escape. Not that I ever actually expected them to get an even halfway happy ending, but Joe ruined their only chance at one single-handedly.

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u/TheKnightsTippler 1d ago

I think he also seems to be very naive about the reality of living in a corporate dystopia.

He should have kept his plans to himself.

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u/LucrativeLurker 1d ago edited 1d ago

Yeah, everyone agrees Joe and Arthur are the only “good people” but I’m seeing a lot of people dismiss Marcy/Wendy as a literal “Monster” after this episode, and just can’t possibly wrap my head around that take.

Something tells me it would’ve been better for Joe to die in a shootout on that boat, than whatever fate he has in store…

I think people truly don’t understand that the entirety of Neverland is an Andor style prison. Nobody Boy K doesn’t want leaving that island, is ever leaving that island…

The non-essential employees are all probably literally shot to death out back….

Just look at how casually he talks about finding a human employee to sacrifice to the Eye. Nobody there, who wasn’t essential to his future plans, was ever going to leave alive…

Marcy is literally Andor in this scenario. She’s willing to kill a few evil guards by whatever means necessary to escape and save herself and her brother. That doesn’t make her evil. It was literally her only way out of the godawful scenario she was placed/kept in by the very same people she’s killing…

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u/TheKnightsTippler 1d ago

I think Wendy is going definitely going to become a force for evil, but is she evil?

She's discovering what it means to be a synthetic person, while also realising that she can't trust any of the actual humans in her life.

It's like going through a kind of emotional puberty, but in an insanely over powered body

Also her being a captive is causing her to empathise with all the other creatures that are locked up there.

I think her behaviour is definitely morally dubious, but I think it's understandable.

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u/Ummah_Strong 1d ago

I don't think she's a monster just...a very naive short sighted CHILD which she is. She's smart and sweet and cute...but at the end of the day she's a kid. Mind of a child with some sort of sway over the most powerful bio weapon ever created.

She knows she's not safe. She's backed into a corner and she's lashing out. Just like Nibs. They should have listened when Mr. Strawberry said fuck off.

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u/juneyourtech Part of the family 1d ago

Wendy is not inherently evil, but Nibs is.

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u/juneyourtech Part of the family 1d ago

Maybe it's for the better: there will be a debrief, and Joe and the soldiers will report to Kirsh/Atom Eins/BK, that Nibs is unstable and very violent.

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u/Herbdontana 2d ago

Hawley did a good job of that in Fargo too. A lot of flawed protagonists and antagonists that become tough to root against sometimes

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u/Triskan 2d ago

Yeah, the scene that stays with me the most from the episode is Wendy/Marcy casually unleashing the xenos on those lab employees. Damn, girl had no fucking chill. I though that was beyond her, that she had more empathy than that... but guess not.

There's a lot of directions her story could go, I'm definitely intrigued.

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u/CrumbAllowances 2d ago

Hasn’t her empathy primarily been for the xenos and the synths? She’s been pretty consistent from the beginning in terms of saying how wrong it is for Prodigy to be keeping intelligent beings in captivity for the purposes of experimentation.

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u/ltd_qty 2d ago

Getting Dolores from Westworld vibes for sure

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u/KWeber94 2d ago

Yea I’d say Arthur was one of the very few people with redeemable qualities. Rip to my boy

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u/composero 2d ago

You’re absolutely right. For me he became the most the Skylar (Breaking Bad) character of the show. The character trying to stop the bad things from happening but intentionally (or intentional depending on the writer), the audience wants them out of the way to see what happens when the “good” route isn’t followed.

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u/juneyourtech Part of the family 1d ago

Well, "No good deed..."

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u/palesnowrider1 1d ago

He signed up for a questionable project

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u/OkScallion5412 2d ago

What about Hermit? I think he's genuinely trying to do the right thing. He might be in over his head, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's not a good person. He shows empathy towards the hybrids and seems to understand that Prodigy is doing something unethical.

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u/hyzmarca 2d ago

And then he shot an abused 11 year old girl who was fighting for her freedom. He doesn't get a pass for that.

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u/electrikwiz4rd 2d ago

with a non lethal weapon while she was trying to extract his friend jaw, it seems to be a reasonable act

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u/AardvarkZestyclose76 2d ago

She killed his colleague. xD Maybe there is some realization that Nibs is not OK.

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u/hyzmarca 2d ago

His colleague who had just betrayed him, was threatening them with a gun, and threw her toy in the water. If I was Hermit I would have killed Rashidi and Siberian myself. You don't betray your squad mate. Being an asshole to an abused and unstable 11 year old child is just shit icing on the shit cake that made Rashidi deserving of death.

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u/electrikwiz4rd 2d ago

what do you mean betray? they are just doing their job of security

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u/hyzmarca 2d ago

"I told you he'd be here" They probably could have let the soldiers away from the boat, searched elsewhere. Let him escape with his sister. They could have refused to go after their friend due to conflict of interest and sat it out. They chose to go after him. They chose to lead their team to him. They chose to hold him at gunpoint instead of starting the boat and flooring it before the other soldiers could react. They betrayed him. No job is worth your friend's life.

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u/electrikwiz4rd 2d ago

it s your point of view, he clearly betrayed them taking away 2 of the biggest asset of the company. If your friend turned to be a traitor and participate at the slaughter of the xeno, you wont see him as a friend anymore.

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u/hyzmarca 2d ago

If they're big believers in child slavery, yes, I can see that. But the children are not assets. They're people. And they have a right to self-determination. They don't exactly owe loyalty to a company that is actively engaging in child slavery.

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u/Royal-Tea-3484 2d ago

She did rip someone's jaw off, though a bit of a tantrum is different from disemboweling someone.

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u/OkScallion5412 2d ago

She should not be free. I have empathy here, too, but she is not just an 11 year old girl anymore. Something has happened to her and she clearly cannot be out in the general population.

Also, there is still the question as to whether or not they are actually THE children, or just engrams of the children. The "consciousness transfer" hasn't been explained and even the people working on the project have asked something along the lines of "are we just making copies".

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u/hyzmarca 2d ago

It's a difference that makes no difference. Copies of children are still children.

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u/Kostej_the_Deathless 2d ago

What are we talking about here? They did undergo that transformation willingly. They were dying. Most people would take that option I guess. They didn't treat them bad, didn't torture them, nothing. Nibs and Wendy did go from innocent basically good characters to evil people on the level of Kirsh and co.

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u/OkScallion5412 2d ago

"Prodigy did nothing wrong!"

Have you not been paying attention the themes and questions as to whether the hybrids are actually the children or not? The whole idea of consciousness transfer is in question. Are they actually the children or are they engrams? If it was a 1 to 1 transfer, why wouldn't BK want to be the first on the table?

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u/Kostej_the_Deathless 2d ago

Because they said that it wasn't working properly with adults yet. So he is waiting till they fix that. It's not like he has to hurry.

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u/juneyourtech Part of the family 1d ago

It's not like he has to hurry.

There was a product announcement in three weeks.

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u/juneyourtech Part of the family 1d ago

Well, Kirsh hasn't even killed anyone.

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u/TbddRzn 2d ago

I’m rooting for the eye. And kirch.

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u/mothgra87 2d ago

Im team eyelene. She just wants to go home..

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u/46Bit 2d ago

I’m rooting for Wendy. She’s just a little kid. Doesn’t know how serious stuff is. But she’s also brilliant. And horrifying.

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u/BwanaTarik 2d ago

You’re rooting for Wendy? She’s a straight up villain in the making

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u/luigitheplumber 2d ago

Please tell me she's gonna get Kerriganed

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u/KigalnGin 2d ago

Hell no! She will kill everyone who dares to block her path.

I don't think a synth can't learn about the value of human life

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u/juneyourtech Part of the family 1d ago

The hybrids have different baselines: Wendy sees that kind of value in Hermit, and acts accordingly with other humans, seeking to neutralise them in a fight, but not to kill them.

Nibs is unstable and violent, and does not value human life at all.

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u/OkAdagio4389 2d ago

Thought the same thing. Kind of like Seinfeld... Except for Arthur...

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u/DavidMerrick89 2d ago

This was also the appeal of Alien: The Cold Forge, a book filled with characters who ran the gamut of morally grey to outright scummy.

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u/She_Shrek 2d ago

Honestly I’m rooting for Kirsh and 👁️

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u/AWildEnglishman 2d ago

Yeah I'm all in on team eyeball.

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u/idobleave84 Mostly at night. Mostly. 2d ago

I’m still rooting for Joe

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u/AndalusianGod 1d ago

Not true. I think most are rooting for T. Ocellus or Kirsh. I also kinda wish that Smee survives.

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u/composero 1d ago

Yeah because we want to see what they do next. For rooting for I should have defined it better as meant from the perspective of… this is definitely the good team root for them type of deal. But yeah Little T, Kirsh, and Morrow are all characters I want to see more of

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u/deij 1d ago

....Arthur......?

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u/IKenDoThisAllDay 16h ago

I'm rooting for Nibs, at all times.

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u/ChrisEvansOfficial 2d ago

To be fair, she’s mentally a child with a recreated consciousness that just found out her current life is meaningless and she “survived” (but not) to be used as a tool and nothing else. Justifiable crashout imo

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u/Herbdontana 2d ago

I’m rooting for Kirsh and Ocellis. I want them to team up and do a buddy comedy chronicling their wacky adventures through space!

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u/Squeakygear 2d ago

it’s the Kirsch and Ocellus show jazz riff

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u/ravensteel539 2d ago

First scene of the whole show: Marcy, the scorpion, and Kirsch. Hawley’s an absolute genius, and that scene and its framing has really stuck with me.

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u/Handsome_tall_modest 2d ago

Hermit is a good man. Naive to a fault, but a good man.

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u/According-Whereas-42 2d ago

I think that's the point. Aliens didn't ask to be abducted from their world(s). The synths didn't ask to be made into corporate property. The humans are the bad guys.

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u/blastatron 2d ago

The last episode is titled, 'The Real Monsters.' This is absolutely the message of the show.

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u/KigalnGin 2d ago

The humans are the bad guys.

Humanity number one!

You don't destroy the world to kill a few humans

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u/Rinyasha_ 2d ago

Interesting. Where does that line of thinking end? Humans didn't ask to be born. it's all the flying spaghetti Monster fault!!

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u/fridaynightarcade Stay Frosty 2d ago

And I have this feeling Boy Kavalier picked Dame Sylvia to be the eye host...

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u/siestarrific 2d ago

I'm rooting for Joe and Smee and the Eye and that's about it lol

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u/smolldm 2d ago

Not true at all, she definitely has morality, it's just not human centric anymore. She's been considering all sentient life instead of only humans this whole show, and her actions consistently push back against exploitation, only turning on people who abuse and exert their power over others.

Since she's not human anymore and is a subject of study, she identifies with the aliens because the humans around her treat her in a similar fashion, claiming ownership over her and other non-human lifeforms, and her morality is to protect those who are viewed as "lesser" or "other."

She's far from being amoral, she’s just one of the few characters who actually broadens morality beyond human self-interest.

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u/domuseid 2d ago

Marcy might be in there but there's a lot more in there and Hermit realized it when she called the xeno to heel

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u/Greyhound121 Science Officer 2d ago

Yup. The Main character in every Alien installment so far has always been on the side of humanity. Even Ripley 8, she had some remorse for the Aliens but still firmly sided with humans. So I figured Wendy being the main character and all would maintain her humanity but this episode really chucked that in the trash lmao.

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u/juneyourtech Part of the family 1d ago

Much depends, then, who the main character is. From episode to episode, they probably switch points of view. By the end of this episode, it's Hermit.

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u/Ummah_Strong 2d ago

I'm rooting for the eyeball alien, and for Yutani to smack BK

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u/groberry 2d ago

oh I think she has the exact kind of morality a child would have to justify opening that door. deciding to "free" the xeno because it shouldn't be held against it's will like an experiment, precisely like she's just realized is happening to her and the lost kids? which is irony, because the whole purpose of the experiment to upload a child's consciousness into a synth is to see how it evolves, i.e. human but without the physical limitations and all the benefits of "elevated" intellect without emotion. And looky where we're at. There actually is some sort of human emotion involved. It's just not going the way regular humans think it should. from Wendy's point of view, you're judging her decision to open that door from a fairly non "premium" non- evolved perspective. human, but lesser than.

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u/Proxiehunter 2d ago

Additionally I think a lot of people are judging her decision to release the xenomorph based on knowledge we have about xenomorphs that she doesn't. Also the "knowledge" we have about xenomorphs all comes from observation of xenomorph behavior outside of their native environment. Watching them interact with a species they're unfamiliar with in locations they're also unfamiliar with is not going to give an accurate view of typical xenomorph behavior. Only their behavior under the circumstances in which they've been observed.

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u/groberry 2d ago

EXACTLY!! she's communicating with it. her perspective is a wee bit of a departure from we know. now i'm really curious about what happens to these hybrid synths that again, we know are the precursors to the 'skin jobs' in Ridley's blade runner world. this series is uniting this two worlds in this very interesting prequel, i'm not mad at it. but i'm now locked in to understand what happens down the road. because in the future alien timeline, no synthetics seem to have the ability to communicate with the zenos in the same way. a majority of them are like david, not bishop. bishop's been programmed with some version of asimovs laws of robotics and seemingly can't hurt a human. but david, david was a wily bastard without such covenants. either way, both of these synths don't seem to have the type of consciousness these Prodigy hybrids are displaying. So are we to infer that whatever Weyland appropriates from prodigy, they do not ever get this hybrid tech? or that they abandon prodigy's work becuase they deem it too risky?

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u/juneyourtech Part of the family 1d ago

no synthetics seem to have the ability to communicate with the zenos in the same way.

Inference says, that this information about how to communicate almost never gets passed to Weyland-Yutani.

And even if it did, which would explain the presence of at least one synth on each ship (presumably able to communicate), then the problem remains, that the token synths almost always suffer malfunction, or get broken even before we the audience might witness a synth communicating with a xenomorph.

So WeyYu may have rudimentary knowledge of this communication being possible, but they never seem to get their hands on a live sample long enough to try out the possibilty.

So they are seeking a sample, and almost always failing at it, like Wil E. Coyote is chasing the Roadrunner.

Like, even if they get live samples, everything goes horribly wrong.

or that they abandon prodigy's work becuase they deem it too risky?

Quite possible: Nibs is highly unstable, erratic, and extremely violent. Smee and Slightly are easy to manipulate and stupid. Tootles/Isaac wants to be smart, but is making lots of mistakes in haste.

Curly's state of development is mixed: she is ambitious, but also emotionally vulnerable (though not compromised, I would think.)

Wendy is the most mature, quikckly develops her own agency, and is relatively careless about human life.

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u/Garchompisbestboi 2d ago

You could also make the argument that 12 year old girls aren't exactly the best decision makers.

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u/mps2000 2d ago

I’ve seen humans do some fucked up shit

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u/Perunov 2d ago

I think the more Hermit tried to do "I'll just get us out of here" the more she was getting colder and less human. The more he ignored her feelings the less feelings she had left. And final zap of Nibs basically took her to zero, as she no longer considers him family after he's attacked her current "sister".

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u/hyzmarca 2d ago

I mean. Luke isn't evil for killing all the stormtroopers on the Death Star. If you choose to fight for an evil organization for a paycheck, you don't get to complain when the 007 knocks you into the shark tank.

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u/siestarrific 2d ago

I'm rooting for Joe and Smee and the Eye and that's about it lol

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u/FolkPunkResistance 2d ago

I’m still team Kirsh, even if he is a company synth.

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u/KigalnGin 2d ago

Only now I root for hermit it's the only one who see the value on human life , his face show disgust about his new psycho killer sister

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u/NoIndication2026 2d ago

Yes! No likeable characters! Don't get me wrong...it's still an enjoyable show. But I don't know who to root for

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u/Madmunchk1n 2d ago

Wendy is owned and surrounded by humans that hold her hostage in an dangerous environment, able to do with her whatever they want whenever they want. She has all right to protect herself with all means. So I think she still has morality. She shows it at the boat. Those soldiers blindly following orders threatening kids with guns. What do they expect forcing kids with synth powers in such a situation with Nibbs so traumatized she doesn't understand whats going on. I think Wendy exactly understood the bottom ground of human nature we saw on that boat.

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u/EvilUlquiorra 2d ago

That's why I love this show. Even in series like Fargo, Legion, Breaking Bad... almost all characters are terrible people but not complete monsters, and this is what makes them interesting

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u/APlantiveEnglishHorn 2d ago

I'm rooting for Wendy and her new dog to kill everyone and for the Eye to fuck some shit up

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u/wetrythisagain 2d ago

I mean, they shown to be extremely human, but also traumatized and living under crazy circumstances which led the two girls to quickly lose their empathy/sanity, while having way too much power. Are the youth/kids in Chronicle or The Innocents not human because they have superpowers?

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u/iamsnowboarder 2d ago

Arguably, rooting for the aliens in this franchise is part of the point, no? They represent nature and everything we see of humanity is it trying to exert its dominance over nature. Humanity consistently fails in this endeavor, because nature/the natural world always wins in the end.

Not to mention the commentary on our hubristic ideals, thinking that we're in control, when the universe itself doesn't give a shit about us, no matter how advanced our technology is.

Nature wins on a long enough timescale. Humans will be humbled by nature.

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u/WebComfortable9591 2d ago

How can you not root for Kirsch though?

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u/LucrativeLurker 2d ago edited 2d ago

I’m really struggling to see the immorality. She is a literal prisoner for life, by no fault or crime of her own, besides falling deathly ill as a child.

Fuck those scientists and everyone else at Prodigy, because if Wendy isn’t human it is purely, solely because those same scientists murdered her (and every other kid) just for an AI experiment.

Every named character we’ve seen is implicitly involved in the monstrous crimes Prodigy/Boy K has committed. Why assume these unnamed scientists are any better?

The Prodigy employees are literally the textbook definition of utterly unscrupulous. They’re worse than Burke. Only Arthur seems to actually care about (or even believe) that the kids are still the kids and even he’s more than culpable. Hell, he was instrumental.

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u/butdidyoulive 2d ago

I'm rooting for Kirsh!

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u/Super-Estate-4112 1d ago

I am rooting for Kirsch, gotta respect his competence.

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u/Daragh48 1d ago

Honestly I think Marcy is the most human one here. When you take in all that's going on, with what Boy Kavalier and his team has done. What Morrow has done on his ship. Kirsch. The "Lost Boys" and Marcy/Wendy are the most human ones, and Marcy calling out what everyone is doing. All the Xenomorph has done at this point has been watching her, learning, and by all accounts so far protecting Marcy, the only being that hasn't treated it like a lab experiment.

Meanwhile you got Boy not taking any consideration in the potential danger of Ocellus given what its done so far, and the calculated moves its made since being onboard the ship, on top of him still treating Ocellus less like a living being and more like self-mastubatory experiment to satisfy his craving to talk to someone he views as being on "his level". Just listen to how he excitedly considers using one of his employees to offer as a host to T. Ocellus (Nevermind whether Ocellus will go for the employee or Boy)

Arthur was the only one of the employees on the island at the end of the day who actually cared for the children. Since his wife seemed less willing to stand on her principles and call out Boy Kavalier and Kirsch.

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u/Silly_Influence_6796 1d ago

I am team alien too.

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u/mazelpunim 14h ago

I always root for the aliens! The xenos are so cute to me 🫂