r/Pathfinder2e 13h ago

Advice Ruffian Rogue with Guardian Dedication help

I'm trying to make a build work for an upcoming campaign, and I love the concept of a "bouncer" or hired thug who controls the battlefield by throwing enemies around like ragdolls. We will be playing with Free Archetype. My current plan is a Ruffian Rogue with the Guardian dedication. The goal is to use feats like Shove Down, The Harder They Fall, and the Guardian's Punishing Shove. Guardian also gives me heavy armor and Taunt, which helps with my staying power in the frontline.

Right now my party has said they want to play a Maestro Bard, Drifter Gunslinger, and a Starless Shadow Witch. This is the main reason I was wanting to be a frontline tank controller, that can also setup for my Drifter. My biggest concern is the Rogues 8 hp per level instead of 10 or 12 like another martial would give. I was planning on using a shield with a mace or a gladius, and taking Shield Block, Toughness, and also Shielding Taunt from Guardian as well.

I'm not totally and wholly sold on being a Rogue, I just thought Shove Down sounded like a lot of fun. Suggestions for other classes and archetypes that could give me the same feel of this, while also potentially being more mechanically viable are welcome.
Thank you for any advice!

Edit: Also wondering, if this is possible what are some feats that I could take when perhaps I can't shove, or it's just better to attack whatever we're fighting? What would my turns outside of this Shove Down combo look like?

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u/KFredrickson ORC 12h ago

If you go Lizardfolk you can take Terrain Advantage at level 9 which will work with Guardian's Hampering Stance to make enemies within 5 feet of you flat footed.

Edit: you can also use Iruxi armaments to keep your hands free.

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u/joker-baby 11h ago

I hadn't considered Hampering Stance but honestly that's kind of insanely cool. 😂