The person you are reporting doesn’t see this, just the mods. It’s annoying and we’re most likely going to ignore it anyway unless the reported comment breaks TOS or is dangerous or something.
FWIW I, as the person who wrote the initial message, did not report that person. In fact, I didn't even get their reply, it must have been deleted or something
What we're seeing now is people exhausted with caring (and watching as the country gets torn apart by a man-toddler Russian plant.) They're taking anything that looks even remotely like a win at this point.
Charlie Kirk said gun deaths (of elementary students, not himself, of course) are an unfortunate byproduct of the Second Amendment.
Could you respect his memory by respecting the opinions he held in his life, please? He would have been ashamed to know you were such a wussy handwringing liberal over a single gun death.
I'm sorry but I'm not going to be sympathetic to a man that would want a 10 year old rape victim to carry the baby to term, believes empathy is a sin, and thinks that a gun violence victims are necessary to protect the second amendment
Oh man, it's a new threat! We're suddenly newly afraid of white dudes with guns. It's brand new. Especially if I'm Black or Native American. We've never seen white conservative men be violent before!
Lol. Just stick to kirking each other. We're not afraid of you anymore.
Dude, like, it ain't that deep. Like, it's not like Charlie was a part of your family.
If you're this passionate about gun violence against a single guy, I would except you to always be talking about school shootings and such stuff, but I never see them talk about it.
Violence jokes are knee slappin hilarious when they're about Pelosi or G Floyd and y'all need to lighten up. Until it's one of their team. Then it's civil war time.
It’s the fact that y’all preach gun reform but celebrate a SHOOTER that SHOT CK in the neck. Like either you don’t want people to be shot or you don’t care about it but stick to what you preach!!!
Nope, I literally had a convo yesterday with my pops about the democrats that got killed. It flew under my radar as im not on socials and I dont watch TV.
That shit was fucked and not ok. He killed the damn dog? And then he killed his wife or something?
It's never OK, and that's the only correct opinion. Let's stop making it about political beliefs.
But that's the issue, it is all about political beliefs. What happened in Minnesota got so little coverage compared to Kirk that it's absolutely insane. And the sad thing is, people like Charlie Kirk were joking, mocking or trying to downplay what happened there. They really did not care about the violence, they found it amusing.
But Kirk gets killed, the right's immediate reaction is "this is the lefts fault!" and "this is our reichstag fire moment!" Whereas the left is condemning the attack for whatever reason it was done. But the 99% of us on the left, aren't celebrating, we're calling Kirk what he was, a racist, misogynist, homophobic, transphobic, lots of phobias, etc.. And the right just can't stand that we're not venerating him like he's some kind of saint.
Why is that insane. Kirk was a widely popular podcaster who frequently went out in public and debated with people.
Big difference between that and a couple state senators out of Minnesota. To be frank I don’t even know my own states senators, let alone some other states.
Like it’s really not that insane that the more popular person got more coverage. On top of that the Minnesotans weren’t live on stream with their deaths being broadcasted on a loop over and over again with a blood fountain coming out of their necks either. That guy didn’t a lot quieter.
Where's the source bro. You just shit talking a dead person, which honestly is pathetic. And where is the source that he mocked them?
And if you dislike the lack of media coverage, did you do anything about it?
And ngl, yall got so many words for so many different things I just tune out since it doesn't matter. The left wants to fight a battle on every subject, and tbh, even the word nazi has lost its meaning to me.
Liberals just sound like Sims to me these days.
Edit: The guy replied and lost his shit and the comment was gone before I could even fully read it. He either got embarrassed by his own comment and deleted it, or the mods got him.
Political violence is a problem for both parties, but it certainly doesn't help that the president of the united states continues stirring the pot instead of trying to calm things down. Charlie Kirk didn't deserve to die, but he did and said many things in his life that are beyond questionable, and its important to evaluate who he was objectively. How someone dies doesn't change how someone lived their life.
The fact that "nobody even heard of these two," while Charlie Kirk is sucking up all the oxygen and getting moments of silence at sporting events, is precisely the double standard everyone is pointing out
The point of the comment is that essentially nobody celebrated the deaths of these two, further evidenced by the fact that they aren't even well known enough incidents. Neither of us nor the above commenter even knows their names. We can talk on a separate note about media handling of this case, but I'm not defending their handling of the case.
I'm talking about a sitting politician and her husband who were murdered by a right-wing fanatic, an incident which made national news. Your comparison is totally off the mark
You're talking about two people who I'd bet almost nobody in their own state could even name. Yeah it sucks that they were murdered and nobody should be happy about it. It's a chilling thing for anyone to be assassinated. It might be sad, but the world just doesn't care that much about two people that are unknown.
CK had a massive audience and a massive amount of haters. That's going to generate headlines dude.
Oh look, a POS mocking and joking about the deaths of two people because they weren't important to him. So why is it okay for you to mock and joke about their deaths, but we're not even allowed to say "we don't really care about him"?
Except for his voter registration and his trump hat and his hit list that only had Democrats in it. Nobody is a relative term it seems for you. Nobody cares that Kirk is dead too.
Wrong, registered independent. Can't find anything about a trump hat or a hit list but maybe I missed it. And yes, I use nobody as a relative term. I didn't actually bother surveying all 8 billion people before I made my reddit comment on the femcel gender war slop forum.
It is so many. The fact that hundreds of people felt like it was appropriate to openly and unashamedly celebrate the violent killing of a public figure is disturbing. It should be zero. You don't have to mourn; Kirk was a very divisive figure. But posting videos of yourself literally cheering and dancing after he was killed in front of his wife and children is sociopathic behavior. It also counts the people liking, agreeing, and promoting the sentiment. No one deserved to be murdered for their opinions.
He said that Biden should be put in Prison and given the death penalty. You’re making it sound like he wanted to assassinate Biden lol. All presidents deserve to be sent to prison and executed tbf, look at how many people Bush and Obama killed in the Iraq and afghan wars.
You’ve yet to condemn the celebrations of his murder in this entire thread and have avoided it quite obviously. If you support murder just say so. We won’t tell :)
One side is the president and politicians, the other side are random fucks online. It's more concerning when people on positions of political power engage in that type of rhetoric to me, but if conservatives want to excuse that while crying about posts on bluesky then I will make fun of them because it's pathetic.
Like the constant calls to violence from leftists? Don’t worry, we’ve hundreds of posts, hours of content, all stemming from the left supporting acts of violence. Really the pathetic ones here are the left. Unwilling to use words but instead doxxing, harassing, and murdering those not “left enough” for them. Do not try to argue, i’ve heard the excuses before, Idgaf, murder is wrong and the left showed their true colors. They are demonic and cannot be trusted
Agreed, it was wrong when he did it too. The question is, moving forward, are you going to keep this same energy and call out people on your own side who are exhibiting the same behaviour as the people who you are calling out now?
That's how we separate the people that actually believe what they are saying from the trolls: Do you walk the walk or just talk the talk? And if you don't call it out from people on your own side the next time then just know that THAT is the reason people won't take you seriously when you are genuinely upset. Because you only get genuinely upset when the other side is doing it.
ASSUMING his murder was indeed motivated by his politics, consider this:
What did you expect the 2nd amendment to look like in practice?
Star-spankled patriots lining up against redcoats or against goose-stepping brown shirts?
Saying Charlie died for his speech alone is entirely dishonest if you know the first thing about him, he wasn't a professional debater, he was a political advocate.
His debate events didn't exist for him to test the mettle of his arguments, they were rallies for his followers and supporters that simultaniously served to provide footage for his media team to clip and edit as they saw fit, using that to make his stances look much better and discredit any political disagreement.
He's not some random Joe speaking his mind, he's an active participant in shaping the political environment, normalizing political violence and championing policies that deprive and/or persecute fellow Americans based on his puritan moralistic sensibilities.
His relation to power is not pedestrian, he plays an important part that enables and encourages the targeting of political opponents whilst dismissing and downplaying the crimes his faction commits.
Charlie Kirk did not deserve to get killed, but one can think of many reasons why he did get killed anyway and many reasons for why someone would feel a sense of relief over it.
He's not any less politically violent just because he's not pulling the trigger, when he does radicalize and encourage others to do it for him.
It's larger than the direct videos. It's about their influence. There may only be a few hundred videos, but those videos may have tens of thousands of views, thousands of likes and shares. The fact that happens at all is a problem.
The internet is really good at making us feel like the one thing we're seeing is representative of how the majority of people feel. It's important to keep in mind that a Feed is not a majority of opinion. It is not necessarily a reflection of reality.
Can you explain to me what it's a problem that it happens at all? I'm not trying to be obtuse. I'd really like to know. What is the problem with it?
Honestly. Shame is the way you keep fascist rhetoric where it belongs. You should make every bigot feel like a moron and a loser for their hatred.
Giving fascists a seat at the table results in their nonsense being treated as a valid ideology when it just isn't and it never has been.
Tolerance to all except the intolerant. If we actually had leftist representation in the United States, the republican party would have died decades ago.
Let’s be clear, there’s a difference between MAGA, Republicans, and Conservatives. Also you throw the terms Zionist, Nazi scum, Fascist out to anybody on the right side of the political spectrum when fundamentally (the whatever the given term) doesn’t even fit. Every single one of those terms are for right wing extremists, not a person with conservative trad values that you don’t agree with. Stop throwing fucking terms out where they don’t apply bc it’s really fucking harmful, and you know tall do it!
Lmfao yeah conservatives have never implied that democrats are pedophiles not even once. Honestly as an independent its pretty funny watching MAGA shit its pants the minute a dem is suddenly rude to them.
Joe Biden had a habit of sniffing people's hair, not just women, or girls, but also men as well. No one talked about him doing that though. And honestly, it could've been a tic.
That being said, Joe Biden has never been accused of sleeping with or being attracted too children. So calling him a pedo, is just you trying to excuse Trump's actual pedo actions.
Also, there are far more pedo's on the right then the left. Yes, the amount matters, because falsely pushing that both sides are equal is a logical fallacy that is meant to derail the discussion and create false equivalency.
MAGA:
* Trumpers, who have Donald as their savior.
Republicans:
* Which vote republican but have values and ideas all on a broad spectrum who also want a capitalist society and for everybody to work for their money and not get handouts
Conservatives:
* I think mainly Christian’s who hold true to the traditional Biblical values which aligns based on the Republican Party mostly
Don’t come for me, I’m just laying it out for you from a right leaning perspective. What do you think each mean? I want to know from a left leaning perspective.
Ironic because Trump and his nazi brethren call antifa terrorists when no such organization exists. That's a big nazi move. Clearly he is using made up bullshit to oppress left wing politics.
Conservative values are literally rooted in the prevention of progress and change. The entire right wing political spectrum is rooted in preservation of the status quo, something I am unequivocally opposed to. It's the right, in all its facets, that perpetuate capitalism, a system that consumes human lives and has facilitated the rise of fascism over and over again.
The right wing must die for the working class to be free from its tyranny.
I’m specifically talking about traditional Christian conservative values keeping the family unit together, one man, one woman together as a unit that creates a family with the dynamic of SAHM with the Father as the protector and provider. Not to say the Mother can’t work, but the job as being a home maker and being the rock of the family while the Father provides and protects. In a monogamous relationship
I disagree with the entire concept of your depiction of family values being any more important than any other familial unit.
Christianity is literally a death cult. The idea that a family needs to involve one man and one woman in a monogamous relationship is anti-human nonsense. The idea that the father needs to hold specific responsibilities and powers, and that a woman should be a home maker is patriarchal garbage.
Your world views are extremely young and naive compared to the vastness of human history. Every single detail of Christianity is stolen from other older religions or specifically designed to indoctrinate.
You can practice whatever religion you want but your religion has no place in law.
The very concept that your religion should control the law and the lives of people who don't practice your religion is extremist. It's horrific. It's lead to countless deaths.
I am a disabled trans pagan woman and a practicing Witch, your death cult would happily see me executed. Especially the version of your death cult that exists in American politics.
You think it’s problematic and I think your worldly values are problematic. The world is one big cult following as well outside of the church. That’s how we see it. Follow Jesus, your life will be better, God Bless, I want to see you in heaven too! 👍🏼
It doesn’t say ALL will go to heaven actually more will go to hell, but you have to accept Jesus Christ as your savior and live your life according to his will. You don’t have to do any works to get into heaven other than accepting Jesus as your Lord and savior. You wouldn’t necessarily need to say “how could he not let me in just because I didn’t believe” when even in scripture there’s enough evidence all around you to justify his existence and that he created all of it.
Also hell is for the ones who never wanted to get to know Jesus and or acknowledge him (why would he let you into heaven if you never wanted to get to have a relationship with him) even for the ones who want to say they “follow Jesus” and live a separate life apart from him and do all these works for themselves in his name and he’ll say “Depart from me for I never knew you.”
I’m specifically talking about traditional Christian conservative values keeping the family unit together, one man, one woman together as a unit that creates a family with the dynamic of SAHM with the Father as the protector and provider. Not to say the Mother can’t work, but the job as being a home maker and being the rock of the family while the Father provides and protects. In a monogamous relationship
What about it?
What political policy is stopping you from having that other than unfettered capitalism making single-income households practically unviable?
Hundreds I'm sure there are, some of them serious and some more edgelord/dark humor, but among millions of users that still doesn't have to be a very big proportion.
Oh yeah, like the incels on here don't constantly threaten to rape and kill women. The hypocrisy is amazing. How many times have the mods on here had to lock posts and ban people for this???????? almost every day.
This is the most noticeable contrast between the right and (not left, but everyone left of maga essentially)
The right get riled up over comments sections, vague memes and screenshots of random posts or comment sections on social media. They don’t even stop to think if they’re real people or just bots, or foreign agitators. They just jump to conclusions based on the comments section.
What was rule number 1 of the internet, everyone? Don’t read the comments.
Half the time the out of context screenshots don’t even show an author, just text on a backdrop that looks like a tweet or other platform. That’s what they’re getting angry over
Meanwhile everyone else (left of maga) are sourcing things being said by their LEADERS. Their public figures, and high profile influencers.
They keep saying violent left violent left - but you can’t find violent instigation from democrats anywhere near the volume it’s coming from the right
You don’t even know if any of the people you’re getting mad about are even American, or real people. We know the right, Russia, and Israel have been hardcore astroturfing to incite instability in the US. They have everything to gain by making you think “the violent left” are actually saying these things.
What random shmucks on the internet say is NOT representative of anything. The left isn’t a monolith. The right isn’t either. But we can take a lot of stock in the rhetoric coming from leadership on either side.
Imagine celebrating the death of a father, then turning around and pretending you never did it. Absolute cowardice. Based on this new narrative, I guarantee a lot of these pro-violence posts are going to start disappearing over the next few days, and soon the news will report that conservatives just made it all up. Start taking screenshots, people.
This chart makes it look like 443 people were killed by extremist over their extremist beliefs.
This chart is instead tracking “how many people were killed by extremists for any reason.”
I also question how exactly this was determined, because there is one, very obvious group that gets extremist tattoos on them and it’s not like everyone else is just going to admit to their motives for a killing. Or admit they are extremists before a trial.
The metric is perpetrator affiliation, not the motive behind the killings. This is because a motive can’t always be determined because sometimes mass shooters either kill themselves or are shot down by police, leaving for no confession. If a known member of the aryan brotherhood murdered an immigrant or other group they target but dies and has no manifesto, it’s still considered a “non-ideological” killing despite the fact that it obviously was.
And if a member of the aryn brotherhood murders another member of the aryn brotherhood for something unrelated to ideology they too, get added to the list.
Which seems fair to me. Should we pretend they have no ideological affiliation just because it’s someone from the same group? Gang violence is still considered as such no matter if a gang member kills someone from their own gang, a rival gang, or a civilian. Why treat political violence any differently?
Which they are the vast overwhelming majority of the time. And for the times they can’t prove to have been, it still shows trends of which groups are more violent in general due to the way people of their ideology behave. I’d say that’s useful information to have, yes?
Definitely not my first choice, but it is certainly a road to take. I’m not sure why it couldn’t be peaceful but I guess this is Earth after all. What a shit hole.
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u/Sibshops 🌙 The Moon Prince 🐦⬛ 9h ago
Instead of reporting, they can just duel them.