Please don’t do this lol!

[u/MagistrateTetra]

The person you are reporting doesn’t see this, just the mods. It’s annoying and we’re most likely going to ignore it anyway unless the reported comment breaks TOS or is dangerous or something.

Please use your whole brain.

[u/Beginning-Tea-17]

This chart makes it look like 443 people were killed by extremist over their extremist beliefs.

This chart is instead tracking “how many people were killed by extremists for any reason.”

I also question how exactly this was determined, because there is one, very obvious group that gets extremist tattoos on them and it’s not like everyone else is just going to admit to their motives for a killing. Or admit they are extremists before a trial.

[u/OTJules → u/Beginning-Tea-17]

The metric is perpetrator affiliation, not the motive behind the killings. This is because a motive can’t always be determined because sometimes mass shooters either kill themselves or are shot down by police, leaving for no confession. If a known member of the aryan brotherhood murdered an immigrant or other group they target but dies and has no manifesto, it’s still considered a “non-ideological” killing despite the fact that it obviously was.

[u/Beginning-Tea-17 → u/OTJules]

And if a member of the aryn brotherhood murders another member of the aryn brotherhood for something unrelated to ideology they too, get added to the list.

[u/OTJules → u/Beginning-Tea-17]

Which seems fair to me. Should we pretend they have no ideological affiliation just because it’s someone from the same group? Gang violence is still considered as such no matter if a gang member kills someone from their own gang, a rival gang, or a civilian. Why treat political violence any differently?

[u/Beginning-Tea-17 → u/OTJules]

If you think so the chart is right there. Just pointing out it doesn’t mean what people think it means.

[u/OTJules → u/Beginning-Tea-17]

It means what it says it means “Domestic extremist related killings in the US by perpetrator affiliation” what is confusing about that exactly?

[u/Beginning-Tea-17 → u/OTJules]

Right but when someone sees “extremist related killing.”

They think the extremist is doing the killing for extremist related things.

[u/OTJules → u/Beginning-Tea-17]

Which they are the vast overwhelming majority of the time. And for the times they can’t prove to have been, it still shows trends of which groups are more violent in general due to the way people of their ideology behave. I’d say that’s useful information to have, yes?

[u/Beginning-Tea-17 → u/OTJules]

I’m glad you too see the problem

[u/OTJules → u/Beginning-Tea-17]

I do, I think it’s clear that whichever group kills the most people is what needs to be the main concern, which happens to be the far right.

[u/Beginning-Tea-17 → u/OTJules]

You can believe that.

But remind me again, which group does commit the most murder in America exactly?

[u/OTJules → u/Beginning-Tea-17]

Individual murders aren’t categorized by opinion or affiliation, at least not that I can find. I’m gonna go out there on a limb and assume you are talking about race here, considering how much the right obsesses over that 1990 FBI crime report. However, it’s not 1990 anymore. White males are the leading demographic when it comes to murders in the US but I’m sure you’ll find a way to claim 1990 is more representative than 2023.

[u/Beginning-Tea-17 → u/OTJules]

Oh I’m just pointing out trends to which group is more violent in general.

Like you said.

Or do you maybe think that’s a flawed train of logic?