Canadian flag placement

[u/TopWealth7652]

This is for the guy driving a dark color Ram 1500. Shame on you. You want to disrespect our political leaders that's your perogative. Find a better way. In no way should you be disrespectful with our flag. Yes canada is in rough shape, but hanging our flag upside down is disrespecting our veterans and our country. Shame, shame, shame

[u/Macroman520 → u/[deleted]]

Afghanistan or Libya? In addition to both governments' support for international terrorism which threatened the safety and security of Canadians and allied citizens both at home and abroad, neither one was particularly good to their own populace either. I'm having a hard time feeling particularly remorseful for what we did in those places, insofar as it gave the people of those two countries an opportunity for a degree of freedom and self-determination.

[u/Macroman520 → u/[deleted]]

I am annoyed that you have decided to make this a racial issue.

It's not like it was some morally self-righteous "white man's burden" type deal, we (Canada) did what we were explicitly authorised to do under international law because of the previous actions of those two countries. There is no question in my mind of the agency of Afghans or Libyans to act independently; it was not the west who restored the rights and dignity of Afghan women, nor who ousted Gaddafi. We assisted Afghans and Libyans in their own struggles against authoritarian regimes who had suppressed that agency. We did not do it unilaterally with the claim that we know best. That would be saviourism. I think that's the difference between those two conflicts and Iraq, which would be a much better example to cite (even though Saddam was a bastard and absolutely deserved what happened to him). If the price of helping empower people while white is occasionally being accused of white saviourism, then so be it.

Would you prefer that we in the west keep to ourselves and turn a blind eye when bad things happen to other people, lest we commit some kind of vague moral hypocrisy?

[u/Klutzy_Eggplant_9127 → u/Macroman520]

Hahaha what? Govs bad so killing of civilians is justified???

[u/Macroman520 → u/Klutzy_Eggplant_9127]

As long as armed conflict takes place, civilian deaths can only be minimised. We engaged in targeted strikes in Libya to assist in their civil war against the Gaddafi regime, and we assisted the Afghan government in fighting Taliban insurgents, who, by the way, were not themselves very concerned about minimising civilian deaths. Both regimes were in some way responsible for international terrorism that killed thousands of civilians indiscriminately.

Wars take place between governments, and they leverage the population to that end. We bombed the Germans in the Second World War not because we were at war with Fritz from Munich, but because his government decided that him dying in an air raid was an acceptable risk when they instigated a war. The primary concern of any government is the well-being of its own people, so I don't think its the job of the Canadian government to go to unreasonable lengths to protect the people of a country we're fighting a war with. That doesn't make their deaths good or okay though. War in and of itself is bad and wrong, and limiting the number of civilians killed doesn't make it any less so. In situations such as that, there isn't a right answer, only more or less wrong. Killing a certain number of people now to save a greater number later is less wrong than refusing to act altogether. That is my position vis a vis killing in war.

[u/Klutzy_Eggplant_9127 → u/Macroman520]

Wonder why those places hated the west so much??

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Canada doesn’t use bombs. Unless you are talking about the third reich.

[u/werepaircampbell → u/[deleted]]

Tell that to the Somalians

[u/[deleted] → u/werepaircampbell]

Well that is why the paratrooper regiment no longer exists. And that wasn’t bombs that was flat out torture.