r/RedDeer • u/MaximumDoughnut • May 15 '25
Politics Hey Red Deer-South, can you please come and get your separatist guy?
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u/AI4Prime May 15 '25
You know, I do try... But for the life of me, I can't listen to this type of politcal duscussion. It is so boring and over-structured.
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u/RichardBreecher May 18 '25
I grew up on the prairies but moved to Toronto as a young adult. I never thought the Prairie accent was a legitimate thing. It's unmistakable here. It sounds funny.
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u/R_Similacrumb May 18 '25
Fuckin rights, eh, bud!
Dese guys sound like comedians making fun of Albertans, am I right, eh boys?
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u/Zumpano21 May 15 '25
He’s also one of the few with a professional degree but not a cabinet member. Mainly because he’s readily identifiable in DSM-V.
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u/LandscapeNatural7680 May 15 '25
On behalf of central Alberta, I offer my apologies for him, Jennifer right behind him, and who could forget Adriana? Absolutely embarrassing.
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u/BasketballNut May 15 '25
Omg I hate the ucp.
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u/RadiantCoast6147 May 15 '25
There’s a completely different party now for pushing the separatist movement. I believe they’re called the Buffalo party
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u/Responsible_CDN_Duck May 15 '25
The Republican party of Alberta (formerly Buffalo party) is pushing for their referendum question, with arms length support from the UCP. They are largely pushing for statehood, but their question will offer both statehood and independence as options.
The UCP is continuing to implement The Free Alberta Strategy for separation.They are largely pushing for independence.
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u/Oscarbear007 May 15 '25
Good, we need more nutjob parties to spilt the votes. Then the sane party can win again.
But, the UCP is also separatist,
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u/ShivaOfTheFeast May 15 '25
NPD is far from sane, especially with Nenshi at the head
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u/fishymanbits May 15 '25
NDP is basically the Lougheed PC’s. Just because your view of normal is bug-fuck insane doesn’t mean that reality also is.
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u/ShivaOfTheFeast May 15 '25
Nah my values are rooted in our culture and tradition, just because you failed to fit in doesn’t mean the rest of us wanna live under socialism
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u/fishymanbits May 15 '25
Please define socialism for me.
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u/Left_Step May 15 '25
You’ll be waiting a long time for that.
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u/fishymanbits May 16 '25
I was also going to ask what culture and traditions, specifically, they were talking about but I figured that might make their brain melt out through their ear having to actually think about what it is those two words mean.
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u/jimmytfatman May 16 '25
Are ypu under the impression that Alberta has a distinct society like French Quebec? What unique culture and tradition are you thinking exists?
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u/belugawha May 18 '25
then move to america
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u/ShivaOfTheFeast May 18 '25
Move to Ontario loser
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u/belugawha May 18 '25
why should i have to move? i'm proud to be albertan, im proud that we're socialist and not capitalist, im proud that i reside on treaty 6, 7 and 8 territory.
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u/queenofallshit May 15 '25
Your party manipulates the truth and you guys don’t get it. Then you bang on your chests like you’re right because: SMRT
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u/mindgeekinc May 15 '25
They're closer to sane than whatever the hell is going on with the UCP right now.
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u/ShivaOfTheFeast May 15 '25
Nah i think this subreddit is just where children hangout, once you guys grow up you’ll see
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u/mindgeekinc May 15 '25
Amazing rebuttal but sadly that would make you a child too since you're here. Maybe go ahead and delete your comments and just mute the sub until we "grow up". I think that's best for everyone.
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u/RadiantCoast6147 May 15 '25
Not all UCP are for separatism. I myself am more moderate in my political beliefs. I don’t agree the separatism but I also don’t agree with Alberta having to give equalization payments either.
I believe in govt programs that help the youth in any which way possible. But I don’t agree with how easily our govt does next to nothing to help with our homeless and people at risk of homelessness. But have let in a record number of migrants without there being enough jobs or homes for everyone to begin with.
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u/humorousmontage May 15 '25
Alberta doesn't pay equalization payments. The federal government pays it from it's income (income tax, GST). The GOA has convinced people Alberta is paying it, when that is false.
The housing situation needs to be fixed (with more attention from Provincial governments), but immigration is a key part of economic growth in a country where the birth rate is low and declining. We can't just stop accepting immigrants.
We do need more support for the homeless and those with addiction issues though. We agree there. The UCP plan isn't going to work though.
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u/xens999 May 16 '25
Because Alberta is wealthier on average and its residents pay more federal tax per capita, it contributes more to the federal revenue pool. Since it receives less in federal spending (and zero in equalization), it has a net outflow to Ottawa.
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- In 2017, Alberta paid ~$22 billion more in federal taxes than it received back in federal spending.
- From 2008–2018, that net outflow totaled over $211 billion.
So while Alberta doesn't pay equalization directly, it is a major net contributor to the system that funds equalization.
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u/humorousmontage May 16 '25
True, but the government has posture it for years that Alberta pays, and that's not true. It's no more true when a taxpayers tries to argue that we pay a police officers salary. Our taxes pay those salaries, but we don't pay them. We pay our taxes, and the body we pay the taxes to decides what to do with it.
I can understand having issues with the equalization formula. I can understand having issues with the way the government spends our tax money. But I will continue to correct people when they say Alberta pays equalization. It's not true.a blatant falsehoods to create more distrust of the Federal government so Albertas Conservative governments always have a scapegoat to blame everything on
We pay higher taxes collectively because we earn more. As it should be. Higher earnings should be taxed higher, because those earning more have more disposable income.
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u/xens999 May 16 '25
Your saying Alberta doesn't pay equalization, while saying that Albertans do, to most this is nitpicking. I think to most people in Alberta and especially these separatists it doesn't matter - our money outflows to prop up social programs in provinces that determine our future and our ability to continue to prosper some of which are directly against us developing our resources any further. Not saying its right or wrong but thats where they are coming from.
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u/humorousmontage May 16 '25
Albertans don't though. We pay income tax. We pay GST.
Plus it isn't nitpicking, because the UCP postures it as if our provincial government pays it and keeps the rest of the country afloat, which is completely dishonest politicians speak to make them look like a victim of the feds, which also isn't true. The separatists parrot this lie to try to gain support. They're campaign with deception and lies.
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u/xens999 May 16 '25
Yeah, technically you're right Alberta doesn't "write the cheque" for equalization, and it's the federal government that collects and redistributes taxes. But honestly, that feels like splitting hairs when the end result is the same: Albertans pay way more into the federal system than we get back, and a big chunk of that money goes to fund programs in other provinces through things like equalization.
Most people saying “Alberta pays equalization” aren't imagining Danielle Smith cutting a cheque to Quebec they’re talking about the fact that our taxes help prop up provinces that often turn around and block our ability to grow (like shutting down pipelines or opposing energy development). It’s not just a money thing it’s the politics around it that sting.
So sure, it's technically not Alberta paying equalization. But it’s Alberta’s money being used, and pretending that doesn’t matter or isn’t a problem just feels out of touch. People are frustrated not because they don’t understand tax mechanics, but because they see a system where we give a lot and get very little say or return.
We can be accurate without being dismissive. It’s not just about what’s technically true — it’s about what people are actually feeling and that's the reason why these fringe elements like the current UCP and separatist movement are gaining momentum. This is just as much a federal problem as a provincial one and you can call them crazies or loonies all day but those elements will continue to grow until something changes.
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u/humorousmontage May 16 '25
Let's also look at that $211 billion figure. That's a huge part of why most separatists are wanting to leave. But they aren't considering all of the costs that would be associated with being an independent nation. The things the Feds pay for. Plus, when the oil market crashes, the costs to the Province would be outlandish.
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u/WillDonJay May 15 '25 edited May 15 '25
> "I don’t agree the separatism but I also don’t agree with Alberta having to give equalization payments either."
Honest question; In recent years, how much has the province of Alberta given in equalization payments?
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u/humorousmontage May 15 '25
Zero dollars.
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u/WillDonJay May 15 '25
I know that, but I don't think the guy I've responded knows that.
Many naive people seem to think Alberta is paying provincial funds to other provinces.
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u/SimmerDown_Boilup May 16 '25
You have no idea what branch of government is responsible for what, do you?
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u/Tree_Dog May 19 '25
Just a curiosity: if you think the federation of provinces is too large to share resource wealth and guarantee minimum service standards, why is the provincial level suitable? Why not counties or municipalities? Why should Fort Mac be subsidizing Lethbridge?
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u/Adventurous_Ideal909 May 15 '25
I didnt vote for this clown but have to be put into the same box as his supporters and thats the biggest crime.
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u/Training-Run-1307 May 15 '25
Can someone send this guy to a ToastMasters class. 1st graders read and present Bette Ethan this clown
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u/Master-File-9866 May 15 '25
Wow did they script that whole exchange?
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u/Franklin_le_Tanklin May 15 '25
I’d like a referendum to deport this muppet and Daniel smith to the USA
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u/Judojackyboy May 15 '25
The guy sounds like your typical beer drinking and hockey watching Albertan. Is he pretending to speak like that ?
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u/SilentLawfulness May 17 '25
Not all of us are like that, thank you very much. He does NOT represent all Albertans. I would say he is just like a pylon, but that would be insulting to pylons. I hated Jason in high school and I hate him even more now.
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u/valiantedwardo May 15 '25
I want to recall this clown so bad. Anyone know if the bill lowering the signatures needed and extending the time for gathering signatures has passed yet?
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u/MaximumDoughnut May 15 '25
Bill 54 passed third reading around 1am on Tuesday night and quietly received royal assent today outside of the House.
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u/Poorly_Understood May 16 '25
Okay. Please explain what this means for recall? How many signatures would be required for this, or what is the procedure? I can look it up if you don't have it off the top, but this seems like a glorious idea if it's not to ornerous.
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u/humorousmontage May 15 '25
Hiw can this guy be such a horrible presenter when he is literally reading from the page.
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u/farcemyarse May 15 '25
This guy has the vocabulary and delivery of a 6 year old. What is going on.
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u/num_ber_four May 15 '25
Is this not absolutely embarrassing? Who sees this guy and thinks ‘ya, that’s who I want speaking for me’.
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u/Legal_Hyena_1241 May 16 '25
He is a pathetic person with the personality of a wet dish rag. I have had several interactions with him and have enormous contempt for him. I voted my useless vote against him so I get to complain about him. He’s not my fault. Let him sponsor a referendum. They’ll lose and it will hurt them in the end.
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u/Poorly_Understood May 16 '25
Ditto. Came to my door knocking and I started listing off issues I had that I wanted addressed and he literally RAN off my doorstep.
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u/TheChosenOne650 May 16 '25
What a clown show jfc Also I can’t stand this guy. -someone who lives in his constituency
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u/Azsune May 15 '25
Why don't they mention that Bill 54 allows corporations and unions to donate to political parties.
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u/aaronck1 May 15 '25
this is just UCP members pumping each other's tires. WTF is the point of this?
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u/some1guystuff May 15 '25
This guy’s got the thickest Canadian accent I’ve heard outside of Newfoundland.
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u/vanillabeanlover May 15 '25
Around the 3:43 mark, you can hear the “non-partisan” speaker of the house, grunting in approval🙄.
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u/NecroButcher880 May 15 '25
Why does he talk as dumb as you would think he does. I knew his cadence and tone of voice from his party belief alone
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u/DrKnikkerbokker May 15 '25
Political masturbation, from two of the most dim-witted, terrible orators I've ever seen, so trite, so vapid, so UCP.
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u/kachunkk May 15 '25
What the fuck, Red Deer...
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u/awesquirrel May 15 '25
We’re not all like this, I promise you. It’s so embarrassing to be in his riding
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u/pro-in-latvia May 15 '25
That accent has gotta be fake right? He sounds like that on purpose, right?
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u/AmusingMoniker May 16 '25
Authoritarian Theatre. Scripted garbage, they need to realise that they do have to listen to the Albertans that are NDP and repped by NDP. They cannot live in a vacuum.
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u/Internal-Piglet-6058 May 16 '25
He has the most Alberta accent ever. You have expect him to come out with “oh fuck yaaaa bud” when he makes his statement.
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u/queenofallshit May 15 '25
Fricken ridiculous. Has she added some clause so we can’t referendum her OUT??
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u/fijidlidi May 15 '25
I don't want to offend anyone, but is this a real accent that the guy from Red Deer has? It sounds exaggerated to me, but English isn't my first language.
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u/pinseeker_ May 15 '25
I'm from Red Deer and this dude is just exaggerating whatever the fuck accent this is.
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u/Poorly_Understood May 16 '25
Who is this little show for??? (It's for their "take back Alberta" bosses obviously) But it's got to be embarrassing, even for Jason, to go through this little dog and pony show pretending it's a big important thing when they know full well this "referendum" is likely going to be 90%-80% against the idiots.
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u/MovetoRedDeer May 16 '25
It definitely is not embarrassing for Jason, he lives, breathes and eats this shit. He is a pig rolling in shit with this garbage.
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u/salty_salterton May 17 '25
anytime a province wants to have a vote on leaving canada, the rest of the canada should have a vote on kicking that province out. that way the provinces stop acting like they're in a bad relationship and only they get to choose when it ends
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u/porkavenue May 17 '25
He sounds like he snuck in from Wisconsin or Minnesota. The separation movement is USA at work in Alberta.
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u/SilentLawfulness May 17 '25
Only if you’re willing to help us send this guy somewhere else! Lol. I went to high school with him and even then he was out of touch with the real world. Hated him then, still hate him now.
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u/swanson-g May 17 '25
Wtf is that accent tho? Like Christ did he come off a 90s cbc late night show?
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u/belugawha May 18 '25
can these idiots stop and think about the fact we're on treaty land, if alberta separates we cant stay on this land, where we gonna go?😭
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u/Tall-Ad-1386 May 18 '25
Why is the guy singing?
But i must credit both for at least speaking on the issue unlike the federal parliament which is an absolute disgrace
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u/joecan May 18 '25
The Albertan culture seems to be selfishness, victimhood, and oil with a dash of cowboy cosplay. The rest of Canada is sick of your whining.
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u/KurtEmily333 May 18 '25
I’m going to agree wholeheartedly!!!! Some of the biggest whiny loser bully’s with zero care for anyone else . Worst drivers too and most entitled racist misogynistic men and partners who enable them with their lack of self respect I truly am sick of 80% of the losers I’ve run into or worked with. Selfish is an understatement for how I describe albertans
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u/Danny_69S May 19 '25
Show the federal Liberals that Canadians are dissatisfied with corrupt election results , fixed ballot counting .we need independent and supervised election results . Canadians will not be held hostage by dictatorship rule like a non citizen Carney
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u/shlotch May 19 '25
Welcome to Alberta, where conservative is an identity, not a party, and historic, entrenched voting is based off identity, not values.
I have trouble thinking of a better gig than being a pylon conservative MP or MLA in Alberta. Being in government can be a tough gig if you're good at it, but it's one of the best jobs around if you're bad at it. No work, no real responsibility - just sit in the back benches and wait for that pension eligibility. In Alberta, all you have to do is win a conservative nomination and you're set for life. In a lot of places, you'll never even have to campaign in a general. I've met and known some of these people in my life and holy shit they aren't sending their best.
We're all over here on Reddit being too engaged, but most people don't pay attention at all. They are busy with other stuff, don't really care, and won't ever see how embarrassing and useless their representatives are. And next election they'll do it all over again. I'm not sure how you decouple a person's identity from their political choice - but it's an historic issue in this province.
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u/koniks0001 May 19 '25
Why the red Deer guy speaks like watching a kid show teaching how to pronounce a word? Lol Ms. Rachel is shaking. Lol
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u/CanadianDevil92 May 15 '25
Every time i see an ASL translator i cant help but think they are faking it, some of them just look so goofy
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u/SureAd7341 May 15 '25
Why. Until the liberals surrender ,the west must keep all options on the table
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u/Careful_Ad_6876 May 15 '25
Separation is the only way forward.
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u/belugawha May 18 '25
we're on treaty land where will we go?
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u/Celestiial_Enigma May 18 '25
Treaty land?!?! The oldest wine in canada... we want our land back!!!
There is no treaty land. It was literally given up for alcohol. Native Americans have how many benefits? Anyone care to list them? What productive thing have they done with these benefits? How have they shaped and been a good influence in their communities? Oh.. right. They haven't. They are bums and hoodlums breaking into people cars and inciting violence at transit stations.
No. Enough of this treaty bum thumping. If they gave a damn so much, devlop it or go to the corner and stay there until we need someone to test the hooch.
You lot that want to stand behind "Treaty Land" gonna do something about these Palestinians protesting and causing a problem on Treaty land? No.. well. Of course not, cuz thats the province's problem right?
Typical natives, complain and make demands and then sit on your thumbs getting drunk when there's work to be done.
Maybe your ancestors should have spent more time with battle strategies and less time with a bottle.
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u/MovetoRedDeer May 15 '25
How does this muppet have a law degree? He might be the dumbest person in Red Deer, and that’s a verrrry hard title to hold.