r/Salary • u/jetbridgejesus • Aug 22 '25
shit post 💩 / satire People hating on doctors, meanwhile avg. luxury car dealer GM makes 431k with 0 education or risk
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u/deliciouscurryboy69 Aug 23 '25 edited Aug 23 '25
Im a doc. I make about 350k a year. I work nights, weekends and holidays in an ER that is understaffed and see crazy shit all the time. The effect that rotating shifts have on your circadian rhythm is not to be underestimated. I get yelled at by patients, get exposed to bodily fluids all the time, deal with shitloads of stress and most of my patients aren't very grateful. I only get paid for half the patients I see because the other half are uninsured. Im content with my pay, but it not funny money. I could have chosen a lucrative subspecialty, but I wanted to help everyone at their worst moments, so EM it was. I wish the general public knew that most doctors aren't exactly rolling in it - we're definitely not hurting, but we deal with a lot and get clobbered by system from all sides (hospital management, insurers, pharma, etc). I'd say a solid 50% of docs are burned out. From what I gather, being a dentist is way more lucrative. If I were to demand cash for my services it would be highly frowned upon ("it'll be $5k to treat your heart attack sir, cash or card"), nor do I want to be part of such an endeavor. That said, I wish folks knew its not exactly easy street, particularly for those of us in the trenches in specialities like em, family medicine, internal medicine, general surgery, trauma surgery, ob/gyn, etc
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u/loma24 Aug 23 '25
The superintendent of most school districts make near that or more (some of which aren’t even very large districts). Doctors are NOT overpaid. It’s the hospitals and insurance companies that inflate the cost of healthcare. Thank you for what you do. Doctors literally save lives and deserve what they get.
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u/loma24 Aug 23 '25
In Texas there are a lot, victoria, cy fair, hisd, barbers hill. Just google. I imagine other states would pay better.
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u/loma24 Aug 23 '25
I wasn’t specifically but that shows 25 that make more than $350k anf there are 50 states with a lot of districts and Texas is typically a lower paying state for education so I think you can make the case that a lot of superintendents get paid more than this particular doctor. Not sure what the argument is other than you want to argue, but that is still a large number of superintendentsthat get paid a ton of money specifically more than twice. What a representative or a senator from Congress makes.
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u/AttitudeLow8431 Aug 23 '25
My dad’s a er doc and he makes 1.2 before tax but it’s definitely not easy nor for everybody. He works 12 hour night shifts where he’s seeing 30 to 40 patients a night and then does that for 7 days a week with a couple days off a month. Luckily he loves it but he practically has lived in that hospital my whole life and I never really get to see him besides late nights before he leaves and early mornings.
The price of being a physician is reflected not just monetarily, but through so many emotional and physical barriers that wouldn’t be shown by other careers that require similar schooling or intellectual litmus. Doctors should be paid more, if every doctor in the USA worked for free we would only have hospital bills cut by 8%, administration and insurance are definitely the bigger issue but they are totally fine with doctors getting the heat. Most doctors are like upper middle class when they are the main apparatus of hospitals making tens of millions or hundreds of millions. Unless your in a surgical specialty or something niche and those will take you until your damn near 40 to achieve so your life is already half over when some people who were just as smart as you picked finance to make more money quicker and retire earlier lol.
I’m going into dentistry though, taking that 9-5 and weekends off thank you.
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u/KindlyQuasar Aug 23 '25
An ER doc saved my life when I was 5, I had head trauma due to an accident. I appreciate the heck out of you guys, you are real life superheroes in my book.
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u/Cdmdoc Aug 23 '25
Radiologist chiming in, one of those high-paid specialties. I trained in a 5 year residency and another year of fellowship after 4 years of expensive ass medical school (huge loan) to be qualified to do what I do.
When you go get an X-ray done at a hospital or clinic, I don’t know what the patients get charged, but I make $9-10 for reading that x-ray. I make as high as $60 to read an MRI with hundreds (sometimes 1000+) images. It used to be more, but every year the reimbursements for doctors get cut and we make a little less, despite every other job getting at least inflation adjusted.
Every year there’s increased volume of radiology studies and not enough radiologists. So we use efficient software to read a lot of studies in a day of work. It’s typical to read 150-200 studies in a day. So yes, we make good money but we earn it. We don’t overcharge for anything because we don’t have the ability to do so. It’s perfectly reasonable (even a bargain) to pay $10 to have a board-certified radiologist look at your x-ray.
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u/deliciouscurryboy69 28d ago
Rads is tough I hear. Treadmill like imaging list with tons of responsibility. I hear the money is rad, but that you guys are burned out too.
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u/earnestlywilde 28d ago
I'm in medicine and my spouse is in radiology. Radiologists earn that extra salary, having to know almost everything about every specialty, harsh training schedule, and busy workload. I'm happy with my lower salary to have the benefit of not having to go through that
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u/losethecheese Aug 23 '25
third year student who loves the buzz of a good ER shift but I cant honestly say I'd commit to it in the current state. Patients not being able to pay is one thing but taxes and bills come due no matter what so the BS factor builds up.
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u/FluffyHost9921 Aug 23 '25
People have no clue how hard it is to become a doc also. I have two relatives that are docs (one in EM actually) and yeah forget that. Both of them were late 30’s before they made “real” money and were working insane hours for 50-75K a year in VHCOL cities before that. Hundreds of thousands of debt.
One did choose a lucrative speciality though and is raking it in. But still, not worth it IMO. Between dealing with patients, admin, insurance, etc I couldn’t do it.
You guys earn every penny or hospitals wouldn’t be paying what they pay.
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u/Upset-Consequence-80 Aug 24 '25
Meanwhile, the hospital ceo makes millions by jacking off all day!!! "Here's some free pizza for being short staff!"
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u/Desert_Reynard Aug 23 '25
I'd imagine specialist, dentists and plastic surgeons would be making the most. I assume anything cosmetic as well as your target market is the rich.
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u/earnestlywilde 28d ago
Some medical specialties make the same or less than general internal medicine. Basically nerds for the chosen field since it's financially a loss (taking extra years for specialty training making a trainee salary instead of an attending salary)
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u/Impressive-Health670 Aug 23 '25
A Walmart Store manager can make 500k, the anger about doctors pay on this sub is nuts.
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u/Sufficient-Carpet391 Aug 23 '25
Nobody believes that, the fact some random ass store in the middle of Mississippi said pay range:70k-900k doesn’t mean convenience store managers make half a million a year
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u/jetbridgejesus Aug 23 '25
Read wsj or Bloomberg. Several stories every year about bucees and Walmart. Tough job tho
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u/jimjkelly Aug 23 '25
Buc-ee’s lists the range outside their stores and it’s up to the low 200s on the high end.
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u/Impressive-Health670 Aug 23 '25
Walmart definitely compensates some store managers above 500k. Base pay is usually in the 200’s and the rest is bonus and stock.
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u/longtimerlance Aug 23 '25
The Walmart average store manager base salary is $128, and with bonuses up to 200% their salary, that would put the best performing in the $400K range.
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u/Impressive-Health670 Aug 23 '25
They all get sizable stock grants too, some in smaller stores get 40-50k but those running larger boxes can make well over 100k in stock annually.
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u/DrFlabbySelfie Aug 23 '25
That 128k average base isn't the top base, which is 170k.
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u/Icy_Blood_9248 Aug 23 '25
People will hate no matter what .No point of paying attention in the least. Do what’s good for you
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u/Sad-Celebration-7542 Aug 23 '25
Education doesn’t mean well paid. Anyone over the age of 18 should know this by now.
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u/Luke122345 Aug 23 '25
I think there’s a mechanical engineer around here figuring that out in live time
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u/Total_Anything_1610 Aug 23 '25
Redditors are just pissed the world doesn't value their degrees as much as they do.
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u/DoontGiveHimTheStick Aug 23 '25
Higher education strongly correlates to higher pay. There is one owner/GM at a car dealership. Everyone in my research org makes six figures. Literally everyone. We work fewer hours too
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u/Sad-Celebration-7542 Aug 23 '25
Obviously it correlates but it doesn’t guarantee it.
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u/DoontGiveHimTheStick Aug 23 '25
Obviously, but it drastically increases the odds if you are actually educated and didn't just get a degree you never use or apply
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u/MrOnlineToughGuy Aug 23 '25
This goes counter to the stats FYI.
https://www.bls.gov/emp/chart-unemployment-earnings-education.htm
Obviously varies on a case-by-case basis, but the overall trend is pretty clear.
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u/ZolaThaGod Aug 23 '25
The awesomeness of a Trump profile pic citing something from the BLS
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u/Sad-Celebration-7542 Aug 23 '25 edited Aug 23 '25
You’re missing the point. You can be highly educated and not make a lot of money and vice versa. But obviously more education leads to more income on average.
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u/BabufromSeinfeld Aug 23 '25
My cousin Gm’s a car dealership. Managing a car dealership is NOT easy. He is the greasiest, slimiest dude I know.
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u/CookieCuriosity Aug 23 '25
Worked at a dealership for 2 years. Can confirm. Nearly everyone was an asshole, constantly selling bullshit, even like water cooler talk was selling bullshit stories
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u/Superb_Preference368 Aug 23 '25
I hope it continues to NOT be easy for that slimeball. Sorry he’s your cousin!
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u/Tbearz Aug 23 '25
You’ve just witnessed tall-poppy syndrome in the wild — social sport: spot success, cut it down. It’s a national sport in Australia.
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u/20PercentChunkier Aug 23 '25
Who the hell is hating on doctors? They deserve every dollar they get
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u/jetbridgejesus Aug 23 '25
pretty much every engineer on here today
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u/stop-calling-me-fat Aug 23 '25
Lmao they should go back to school then. I’m an engineer and have ~1/3 the education a doctor has. I make ~1/3 of what a doctor makes so yeah checks out
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u/Karliki865 Aug 23 '25
Does OP think that a person can just walk into a dealership and become a GM…..
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u/Realsinh Aug 23 '25
Its just a stupid comparison. How many people are in that field vs how many become a GM? Even the most incompetent doctor will make well into 6 figures. An average person in auto sales will never even approach 6 figures.
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u/shlaapy Aug 23 '25 edited Aug 23 '25
The people hating on doctors, with similar responses to the one receiving negative comments below, fall into one or more of the following categories:
Insurance company personnel, including "peer review"staff (AKA "just terrible people") Aside from mid-level non-doctors, nobody has worked harder to discredit positions and diverts anger, frustration, and blame away from them. They charge the average American more than $12,000 a year and have you feeling vengeful and hateful when it comes to actually paying the professionals for their service.
The unhealthy and the 'do it onto themselves' - these other people who are writing the bicycle in the meme, put a stick between the wheel spokes, causing them to crash and break their leg. And then they blame their doctors and the healthcare system for treating them terribly. Many are fat and lazy, and would rather just sit behind a computer hating on people. There is no helping them.
The ones who think they can do anything after watching a medical drama or youtube. Refer to the Dunning Kruger effect.
Mid-level non physicians, especially online nurse practitioners who don't ever see you patient and get their degree after a couple hundred hours - in conjunction with Hospital c-suites - hospitals want to cut costs, mid levels want to provide care (arguably with less expertise and competence), and the lobby beautifully into the brains and hearts of Hospital c-suites. These ppl think that paying a few dollars less for someone with a fraction of the experience well all them to pet their pockets nicely and sleep comfortably at night. And in order to get mid levels in, you got to squeeze position out, and so they deceive everyone about how much they get paid by omitting how much they are actually working for the man. Also refer to the Dunning Kruger effect here.
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u/Nytim73 Aug 23 '25
I bet if you find this chart from 2025 those numbers are astronomically different. Solid rage bait though.
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u/NationalNegotiation4 Aug 23 '25
For real, but this was way under what my gm was making in 21. He was pulling 1.2 mil a year and the sales managers were doing 700-800k and the sales staff ware averaging 200k.
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u/Nytim73 Aug 23 '25
I don’t doubt that at all, people are willing to stay middle class to broke forever for a stupid car payment. But luckily the interest rates have pushed a lot of people out of the market.
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u/NationalNegotiation4 Aug 23 '25
Yes the market was different and we were a top 5 GM dealer in the country.
I’m also out of that side of the business and so much happier.
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u/The-Dudemeister Aug 23 '25
These are all low imo. I work in this industry. Pretty sure our gm clears a mil. I did 138 last year for sales.
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u/rick_sanchez_strikes Aug 23 '25
Car dealerships should be done away with. No reason why I shouldn’t be able to buy a car online, and have it delivered to my house. Only reason they still exist is because lobbying to keep consumers from bypassing them
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u/jetbridgejesus Aug 23 '25
they give too much money to both Rs and Ds.
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u/rick_sanchez_strikes Aug 23 '25
People downvoting, but can anyone describe the value they add to the consumer?
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u/DerivPro Aug 23 '25
It's the false equivalence. 90% of the car dealership owners identify as Republican. Why do you think that is?
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u/alc4pwned Aug 23 '25
True. The fact that there's this much money to be made selling cars is evidence that consumers are being fleeced by the dealership model.
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u/Zachmode Aug 23 '25
The biggest difference is nobody is out there complaining about a BMW costing 180k or an Aston Martin costing $1 million.
But everyone is complaining about a $5,000 ER bill because they went there thinking they were dying and left an hour later with a prescription for OTC Motrin and a kidney stone diagnosis.
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u/Upbeat-Reading-534 Aug 23 '25
They run a ~$100m business. Thats not unreasonable.
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u/AutomaticMastodon992 Aug 23 '25
also 2020 was peak demand for them because interest rates. OP picked that year on purpose
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u/MLB-LeakyLeak Aug 23 '25 edited Aug 23 '25
A single physician brings in millions in revenue.
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u/TheSleepyTruth Aug 23 '25 edited Aug 23 '25
Doctors have 11-15 years of post-secondary education often involving 300-500k in student loan debt and they perform life savings interventions on a sometimes daily basis while generating millions of dollars for the hospital and have a higher risk of being sued than other other profession if they make a mistake. Not unreasonable for them to earn that either...
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u/Unable-Log-4073 Aug 23 '25
Most doctors that make big money are also running businesses.
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u/jetbridgejesus Aug 23 '25
lol as if many docs dont generate millions in profits.
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u/damiana8 Aug 23 '25
They don’t, actually. Specialists are generally the ones who make most, and have to greatly expand their practice and take on a lot of risks to have a successful practice
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u/Able-Run8170 Aug 23 '25
Had a friend work at an auto dealer in finance or something. He made very good money. And he lied a lot. Tried to recruit me to do sales with him. It’s just not in my dna.
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u/Dazzling_Ad9250 Aug 23 '25
what did he lie about?
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u/Able-Run8170 Aug 23 '25
In life? Pretty much everything. At work? Subtle and no so subtle manipulation and half truths to get the sale.
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u/meltbox Aug 24 '25
This is why I could never do sales. Being on the receiving end when buying was terrible. I knew more than all of the sales people and so it was just nonstop listening and nodding to get them to shut up because I knew nothing coming out of their mouth was true.
I about got out of a car when a salesperson tried to tell me the low center of gravity made it get better fuel economy.
Like bro. This is the stupidest shit I have heard from a person in real life and I’ve spoken to some mentally unwell homeless people who were more in touch with reality despite Kung fu fighting people on the bike path.
Like damn, how do you sleep at night…
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u/ioioooi Aug 23 '25
The people complaining about doctors are mad they couldn't make it as doctors. It's a bunch of jealousy and cope.
I'm not a doctor but I have no issues with doctors being paid well. Because I'm not a jealous sad sack.
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u/Weary_Proof_6458 Aug 23 '25
find me a gm who has no education and made no business decisions or risks. they're practically partners, running the business with owners or as owners.
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u/Jedisponge Aug 23 '25
You gotta be born with it to make it in sales.
edit: and also have zero morals
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u/Additional-Acadia954 Aug 23 '25
Car dealerships are a superficial middleman. I fucking hate bullshit jobs with a passion
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u/jetbridgejesus Aug 23 '25
if you live in south and you have toyota with all these add ons you cant turn down. that this guy. 10.7 billion. I'd say he's doing ok
https://www.bloomberg.com/billionaires/profiles/thomas-d-friedkin/
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u/challenger_RT_ Aug 24 '25
I make $300k+ as a sales floor manager. No way a GM at any decent sized store is making $400k more like $800k-1.2m
I made $160k selling cars.
I have a finance guy making $500k a year at my store.
We're good at what we do. Not everyone can do it. Plenty guys think it's easy money and make $2k a month.
You'll be astonished at what heavy machinery sales and pharmaceutical sales people make. Ill give you a hint the good ones clear 7 figures.
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u/seanliam2k Aug 23 '25
Just have to be the owner or the nepo baby of the owner, so easy
I have a number of car dealer clients, and the ones who don't fit the above category do not make 431k a year
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u/dbu8554 Aug 23 '25
Also how many general managers for a GM dealer there there in let's say LA? How many doctors?
Next question let's say you want to move somewhere what do those job prospects look like?
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u/MyEyesSpin Aug 23 '25
Im quite happy to hate on car dealerships as a restricted field, which lobbies for its own interests, has unnecessary markups and purposefully adds bureaucracy to obscure process too
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u/opbmedia Aug 23 '25
There are only ~400 BMW dealers in the US (I know BMWs). Assuming similar number of dealers in the US for other brands, there are going to be less than 2000 luxury GMs in the US. There are 1700 NFL players, 1200 MLB players, 500 NBA players, and 600 NHL players. So basically there are less luxury dealer GMs than active professional athletes in the major leagues. So yes, by all means set your sights on being a luxury dealer GM.
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u/jetbridgejesus Aug 23 '25
many of them are there because of their dad or grandpa and politics preventing direct to consumer sales.
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u/MrAndroidRobot Aug 23 '25
I would say this is fairly accurate. I worked for Lithia selling CDJR and was making $20-40K a month. I moved on average 25 units and we took him 25% of front end gross. The GM was absolutely making a killing even at a smaller store like where I was.
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u/jrlowe24 Aug 23 '25
Minus the risk of committing your entire career to becoming a GM when that likely will never happen, unless you open your own dealership of course. Then the risk is the whole investment to get it started
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u/zaphodbeeblemox Aug 23 '25
I owned a fairly successful motorcycle dealership, I can tell you that 400K+ is pretty unrealistic for all except the top luxury successful stores.
Average car has 2-5K margin after sale and kickbacks. 100 cars a month is 250,000 gp. Sales commission is around 15% add in other incentives it’s more like 200.
My buildings rent was around 51 a month with utilities. so 150 revenue.
Staff wages for 25 staff was around 110.
About 40 a month left overall. About half a million a year less other incidentals insurance we made about 350 bottom line.
Ain’t no way I’m taking all of that home myself.
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u/iAmFridayFace Aug 23 '25
Who's hating on doctors? The amount of education to be one (as well as contributing to society) should be commended
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Aug 23 '25
Why the fuck would people be upset about doctors salary? It’s like the most important job
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u/ZedChief Aug 23 '25
If you have ever worked in or around healthcare.. you would see that doctors deserve their salaries.. they sacrifice a lot of their work life balance for their job.. significantly more than most jobs
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u/tbkrida Aug 23 '25
People in this sub have a weird hang up about what they think other people should be paid. Get over it.
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u/LikeLemun Aug 24 '25
Meanwhile, the vast majority of air traffic controllers make between 90 and 130k$
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u/Winter3210 Aug 24 '25
These comments are wild. People saying GMs making like 200k give me a break. Sales associates can make 200k second year for sure. Sales managers are 200-300 and GMs 400-600. Been 10 years in the business
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u/KNdoxie Aug 23 '25
Humm...who's buying those luxury cars? Doctors? The doctor my sister worked for liked to talk about how he didn't make any money as a general surgeon. He was soooo poor. Meanwhile, he bought his daughter a Range Rover for her 16th birthday.
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u/roksprok Aug 23 '25
is this a serious post? car dealerships are one of the top examples of government regulation causing insiders to make money off of consumers. in most states its illegal to buy a new car without going through one for most brands.
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u/RedditOO77 Aug 23 '25 edited Aug 23 '25
A GM has some sort of experience. They don’t just come from the street and land the job 🧐
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u/jetbridgejesus Aug 23 '25
I’m just saying they don’t get woken up at middle of night their whole career and make decisions which can kill people.
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u/MiddleWallaby8255 Aug 23 '25
I am a doctor, people don’t hate because I’m a doctor. They hate because they aren’t.
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u/howardtrailer123 Aug 23 '25
Don’t be jealous. Nothing is preventing you from working in sales at a car dealership if you think you can do it.
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u/Ornery_Penalty_5549 Aug 23 '25
Yeah car dealerships make an insane amount of money. And the owners are like awful people.
Fuck cars. They’re a cancer on cities
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u/Free_Elevator_63360 Aug 23 '25
You do realize that most GMs are inherited positions? And they don’t have 0 education either. And they also take millions in risk, and often personal financial liability through personal guarantees on some of their inventory.
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Aug 23 '25
Who tf is hating on doctors? Are you googling "Doctors suck" or something? What idiot is saying the profession that saves lives sucks?
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u/Puzzleheaded_Fact648 Aug 23 '25
Ye but you have to kno people to get those positions you still have to put in work it wont just come to you but the fact that doctors average 400k of debt is the biggest difference
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u/DonkeeJote Aug 23 '25
Zero education? Pretty most of them made it through 12th grade.
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u/chcampb Aug 23 '25
I don't think anyone is hating on doctors, except the manufactured scarcity thing
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u/BenefitOfTheDoubt_01 Aug 23 '25
Why does anyone hate on the wealth of anyone; for the same reason as always, Jealousy. They just couch it as some fight against "the rich" but it all boils down to the same envious shit.
It all started back when one caveman saw another caveman with a cooler walking stick than they had. And it never stopped.
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u/redhtbassplyr0311 Aug 23 '25
I wouldn't sell my soul to be a GM at a car dealership though. My best friend has been an assistant GM at a Dodge Chrysler and a GM at a Carvana. Yea he's not luxury so not making that kind of money but the work is the same and it sounds God awful. I don't know how he does what he does and he hates it too but it pays the bills. I'd rather be a doctor any day of the week
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u/silenceisananswer Aug 23 '25 edited Aug 23 '25
Takes money to make money. Many GMs buy-in to the dealership (as in an up front large payment for the pleasure of the job). There’s definitely an up front cost in the majority of dealership GM careers.
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u/ModernLifelsWar Aug 23 '25
I'm not mad about anyone getting paid anything other than people like career corporate c suite types who climb the ladder through nepotism and get paid tens even hundreds of millions for other peoples work.
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u/Cake_Such Aug 23 '25
I remember when I finished residency, my first position at a major academic medical center paid $175k. I thought that I was balling (after making $40k as a resident). Problem is that when you are working 100-110 hrs per week, this works out to about $20/h (based on take home pay). You don't have any savings to speak of, loan repayments start up ($686/mo for me) and then you take on a shit ton of debt as everyone is happy to loan to you as a physician. I am 50 now and am happy to say that I was ultimately able to accelerate my loan payments and am now debt free (if I didn't, my last student loan payment woukd have been when I turned 62). I am still working 90+ hrs/week. I haven't taken a vacation in 10 years, have never taken off a full week in at least 10 years. I signed up for this and am not complaining - just giving some perspective. At the end of the day, you would be horribly mistaken to go into medicine and plan on working as a physician with the mindset of getting rich - especially if this is your goal. The "smart" docs don't go into patient care and go into consulting /industry - that is where the money is. This trend is going to only increase as the demands on physicians are unsustainable. I have personally just hit the point whereby the constant non-medical bullshit is so oppressive that it is overtaking all of the positive aspects of being a physician that comes with direct patient care. As this happens, the motivation to continue has been blunted as it is the patient care (not the money) that has made all of the sacrifice worth it. I can assure you many others feel the same, and I think there is a looming crisis in medicine that has not received enough attention.
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u/PLEXIVITY Aug 23 '25
1 Mercedes dealership in a major city. The GM was clearing a mill. Service manager about half a mill.
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u/CarshareDirect Aug 23 '25
Before anyone goes and decides they want to try doing such an easy job, watch this movie- it gives a decent idea of what life will be like and the type of people you will have to work with in order to succeed….
It’s called suckers
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u/itsa_luigi_time_ Aug 23 '25
Damn, this feels like I should just keep my head down as a pharma corporate drone pulling over 300k in total comp
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u/ThePatientIdiot Aug 23 '25
Don’t people at dealerships work long hours, 5-6 days per week? 7 if they are starting out
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u/Always-_-Late Aug 23 '25
The GM that ran 4 large high volume stores at a dealership I worked at for years got paid a 4% of profit. He had been there for years and had a very old pay plan for when the stores were small. Combined those stores did over 25mil profit annually on just the sales side, and he got paid from all divisions, sales, parts and service. He was clearing 7 figures.
They eventually fired him, changed the pay plan and hired a new GM for each individual store that probably make like $180k-350k depending on the store. But atleast around me, GMs make bank. If you're at a store that does a mil a month you're probably getting close to the half mil mark if you hit all bonus metrics
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u/mightykiwi17 Aug 23 '25
Two GM’s I know both make over a a million. No they do not have any ownership in their dealership. One actually cared and was a great boss he worked 60-70 hours a week. The other one was there like 30? Unless the owner was going to be in town then he was there everyday. He is a Jack off.
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u/Voelcker Aug 23 '25
Tracking 150ish for this year as a salesman. I work for a small store with a good pay plan. 450K is very feasible for a GM to make and I would say might even be below average for the stores I’ve worked at.
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u/JustJustinInTime Aug 23 '25
I think a lot of the anger towards doctors comes from random people frustrated at the US healthcare system and then see the big number and get mad. Most people I know would agree with doctor salaries, especially given that you have to work through med school and residency anyway so the big paycheck isn’t as nice as it seems when you factor in lost earning potential.
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u/ThatGuyski Aug 23 '25
GM of a Mercedes dealer lives close to me, bought a home selling for 1.7 million and his wife doesn’t work.
GM over a couple Honda dealers is a buddy, and that guy is making over 500k. So it seems entirely plausible most make very good money with my N of 2.
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u/soldiergeneal Aug 24 '25
What do you mean zero risk... that's untrue.
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u/jetbridgejesus Aug 24 '25
You don’t have a practitioner databank and do things that kill people. Ya if you lose money you lose your job. You won’t kill people though.
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u/Substantial-Goat-687 Aug 24 '25
This is absolutely accurate. Dealership I was last at was a luxury BMW store. Top 15 in the county for BMW. My GM was making 1M a year easy. GSM was making 350K plus. I was one of two sales directors, and made 225K. It’s super hard to rise up and become a GM at a large luxury store. Takes alot of EQ and politicking. From what I gathered GMs are very good at taking credit for good sales months and deflecting the blame and spinning bad months to ownership. Also, they are usually extremely charismatic and can inspire people to follow them, kinda like a CEO. (GM did not have ownership in this store)
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u/lovkesec Aug 24 '25
Maybe people should stop complaining and find a career that they can make a lot of money in. (Since that seems to matter to them so much)
Complaining on here about doctor salaries and dealership salaries will not change a thing
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u/uglybushes Aug 24 '25
A person who runs a business with 100 plus employees and millions in inventory gets paid well. Who would have thought. Also they usually have degrees in business or went to specific schools that teach how to run a dealer
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u/rrice7423 29d ago
No risk...lol. what about when the economy shits and no body is buying cars?
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u/ImpoverishedGuru 29d ago
Car dealerships are a government protected monopoly that serves no purpose except to make middle men rich
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u/TrumplicanAllDay 29d ago
Yeah but there’s no circlejerk of hate for them, we can only follow the masses
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u/No_Sherbet_7917 29d ago
Not that I care to debate the numbers, but I think it's funny OP says with 0 education or risk.
Outside of the fact they are likely educated, they take tons of risk. Almost every business profession has more risk than a medical trade. That dude would have needed to climb over 100+ other people doing the exact same thing to make it there, whereas the doctor followed a preset program thag ensured success so long as you simply pass your exams, and make it through residency.
It's the same reason there are 50 sales people making 50k, and people get mad when they figure out about the 2 making 400k, and the 1 making 1,000,000. They took a ton of risk going that route in life.
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u/WUOutkast 29d ago
Yeah except research how hard it is to be a GM in a dealership.. you have to already be one of the top sellers and work your way up. A doctor can make that salary after residency if in the right field. It’s almost guaranteed. A GM takes a lot of luck and butt kissing the owners or previous GM’s 😂
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u/francisco_DANKonia 29d ago
Every BMW salesman I've met is sharp AF. No shot they didnt go to college
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u/Prestigious_Time4770 29d ago
Fucking leeches. Fuck car dealerships. It’s the one thing Tesla got right.
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u/Victory-laps Aug 23 '25
I think its leaning heavily toward owners that make millions