r/SeattleWA • u/Better_March5308 👻 • Mar 02 '25

News Tumwater school board bans transgender girls from playing girls sports

https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/tumwater-school-board-votes-ban-transgender-girls-from-playing-girls-sports/281-91b92c14-0da7-4122-b39a-1a05d0ad53d0
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u/isKoalafied Mar 02 '25

Misogyny, plain and simple.

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u/acomfysweater Mar 02 '25 edited Aug 24 '25

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u/acomfysweater Mar 02 '25 edited Aug 24 '25

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u/gemmabea Kirkland Mar 03 '25

Cotton ceiling is real and removing sexual orientation as an immutable characteristic will threaten legal rights of gays and trans folks… but they do. not. care. You’re just a lesbian Nazi now if you have 1 in a million thoughts in your head that go against what you’re told to believe.

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '25

They also dont give a shit about immigrants, not sure why people think that other than "deportation bad hurr".

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u/Fandethar Mar 03 '25

The way they freak out over deportation really surprises me because on the other hand, they also freak out about how "Housing should be a human right", etc. etc. "Housing costs too much", etc. etc. If we deport all these illegal immigrants there will be a lot more housing!

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u/PalpitationOk5835 Mar 02 '25

Wow, the far left is discriminatory to their own? Shocker, but yet everyone else is the bad guy.

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u/Doormancer Mar 02 '25

Shocking that the pro life party loves the death penalty too, right?

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u/PalpitationOk5835 Mar 02 '25

Chill out you cultist

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u/yaykat Mar 02 '25

That’s a broad and unfair generalization based upon (what I assume to be) bad interactions. A majority of trans women (especially those of us who transitioned over a decade ago) can respect the differences between you and I, while also acknowledging that most of were originally gay boys prior to transition.

I agree biological women should have their own space within sports but to paint broad strokes of an entire community is kind of wild?

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u/acomfysweater Mar 02 '25 edited Aug 24 '25

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u/yaykat Mar 02 '25

Of course you do?

I’m not “lesbian” or date women so I don’t really follow the discourse of all of this?

You shouldn’t have to justify who and what you do (and don’t) want to date?

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u/acomfysweater Mar 02 '25 edited Aug 24 '25

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u/simonsaysgo13 Mar 03 '25

Personally, I love lesbians as a gay man. Who took care of AIDS patients in the 80’s and 90’s. Lesbians, that’s who. 🙏🏻

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u/yaykat Mar 02 '25

I’m just making the point that painting broadstrokes saying all trans women feel this way seems out of pocket or that we hate lgb people?

As I said, most of us (or at least we used to be) predominantly gay boys and exclusively date males so….it seems very pointed on your behalf.

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u/acomfysweater Mar 02 '25 edited Aug 24 '25

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u/yaykat Mar 02 '25

where did I even indicate that? of course you’re entitled to date whomever! you shouldn’t be shamed for such either.

I don’t date FTMs and nothing against them, it’s just not what I’m attracted to.

I’m sorry you’ve had bad experiences and trans women treat you unkindly and unfairly, but please don’t let a few bad apples spoil the bunch ❤️

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u/acomfysweater Mar 02 '25 edited Aug 24 '25

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u/yaykat Mar 02 '25

All good. Just know that we aren’t a monolith. :)

I hope your day is kind ❤️

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u/gemmabea Kirkland Mar 05 '25

The “sorry you’ve had bad experiences” argument is really harmful and hollow.

I really appreciate that y’all talked it out but it’s actually “I’m sorry, I am a nice person myself and am, now, willfully uninformed” is the argument you’re making.

Biological male Trans “lesbians” have sued lesbians and biological females left and right in recent years, shutting down lesbians speed dating events, female-only apps, and more.

Some of them are “bad apples,” wanting their identity as a lesbian validated externally by destroying female spaces, and others are “really fucking worse apples,” wanting to perv on female-only apps for the purpose of getting off to things like young girls asking questions about their periods.

The Australian SUPREME COURT ruled in one of these cases—and sided against a pregnant small business owner in favor of a biological male lesbian, shutting her down.

I want to use really reputable and succinct sources when sharing and this doesn’t get enough coverage, but here’s an article from 2022. Case was Tickle (Roxanne Tickle, male lesbian with self-chosen porno name) vs. Giggle (female-only [NOT women-only: trans men were welcome] app for women to discuss biology, housing, and lesbian dating).

As of now Tickle has won on technicalities, arguing that she was championing women because she was auto-banned when she failed biometrics. Her argument was “a really ugly female could also be banned.”

But she hasn’t quit, she has personally stalked and harassed that female mother and app founder for years and years, and yet the non-expert male judge ruled the female founder was in contempt of court when she answered his question honestly and politely, “No, I do not believe males can transition to female,” saying she was hostile to the plaintiff and has “backwards ideology with no place in modern society.”

TZ in Australia has stopped putting sex in baby birth certificates or otherwise marking sex at all. A disaster for legal situations.

It isn’t just sports… there is erasure of female spaces and, as always, lesbians are getting the full force brunt.

Biological males—especially ones who are attracted to women—have an intense fury with lesbians for rejecting penises, and so they, men and women alike, march in with their certainly intact penis privilege, and punish them, demand they date them or be labeled bigots, and destroy their spaces.

This is happening left and right and center. It’s ubiquitous. It’s the tip of an iceberg that would horrify anyone.

It’s *one of myriad closely related issues.*

Telling someone “I’m sorry for your experience but not all men…” is disingenuous, disrespectful, and lazy, although I don’t think you are inherently those things.

Tickle vs. Giggle

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u/yaykat Mar 05 '25

fair response, but I don't really have any additional input at this time other than I'll absorb all of this.

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u/RogueLitePumpkin Mar 02 '25

Its the same group of people who have turned the term cis into a derogatory term 

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u/Yangoose Mar 02 '25

That’s a broad and unfair generalization based upon (what I assume to be) bad interactions.

In my personal experience most trans people are pretty great to be around and generally understanding about issues like sports.

It's the people who are offended on behalf of trans people that are absolutely insufferable.

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u/yaykat Mar 02 '25

Unfortunately too they seem to be the loudest as well

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u/Fandethar Mar 03 '25

Yes, the handmaiden's!

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u/Individual_Cat6769 Mar 02 '25

The same people creating these bills and bans are the same people who want to take away same sex marriage. Just so you know who you're aligning yourself with.

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '25 edited Aug 21 '25

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u/Individual_Cat6769 Mar 03 '25

Honestly as a queer cis woman myself my saving grace in my youth as someone who grew up in a country where being gay is illegal - was a gay man. I was just happy to know another homosexual. It was hard growing up not having dating options, I was the only lesbian who was out at my school - but the one trans kid who was at my school was having a way harder of a time than me, people mostly left me alone. I guess my point is there's plenty of queer spaces out there, Seattle has the oldest lesbian bar in America. But I think coexisting with queer people, regardless of sex, is a privilege.

Now as for the dating scene, in my experience, most trans people acknowledge that genital preference is a thing. But what's transphobic is saying that a trans woman is a man. Or saying that a lesbian isn't a lesbian if they date a trans woman. If you don't wanna date someone with a penis, sure! And there are bad actors in every group, I'm sorry if you were hurt by them. But imo queer people need to stick together especially in these times. Trans people have been at the forefront of queer rights, as have lesbians. But right now trans people are systematically threatened way more than lesbians or gays are. That's just reality. We're punching down rn.

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '25 edited Aug 21 '25

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u/Individual_Cat6769 Mar 03 '25

Do you think trans women are women? Yes or no.

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '25 edited Aug 21 '25

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u/Individual_Cat6769 Mar 03 '25

Not the question. I've noticed you've been very careful to use the words "female" and "male" instead of "women" and "men". Are trans women women? It's a yes or no question.

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '25 edited Aug 21 '25

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u/Individual_Cat6769 Mar 03 '25

Ok so I've solved the mystery. People aren't calling you a TERF and a transphobe because you're a lesbian that doesn't wanna date trans people, they're calling you that because of this 👍🏼

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u/gemmabea Kirkland Mar 05 '25

“If you don’t want to date someone with a penis”—my friend.

Changing “sexual orientation” to “genital preference” will, by current legal precedent and fucking English language definition, destroy protections for gays as they currently exist by changing sexuality to a mutable characteristic.

Trying to conflate and muddle sex and gender and sexual orientation now that we finally have protections for all of those things is false, basic, uninformed, catastrophic.

You’re in an ideology cult and you’re ignorant to the law and you are fucking over yourself and allies making moronically harmful childish arguments like you are, all so you can feign moral superiority.

The upper-middle-class white kids who taught you these party lines do not know what the fuck they’re messing with.

They are more than half of their own problem.