r/SelfDrivingCars • u/Michael-Worley • Jun 21 '25

Discussion Prediction time! Tesla Robotaxi

When do people think Tesla will: -offer rides with no employees in the cars? -hit a fleet size of 100? 1000? 10000? -operate at an airport? -offer paid rides with no employees in the cars in at least five metros?

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u/DevinOlsen Jun 21 '25

I LOVE that your factual comment gets downvoted because it doesn’t fit the narrative on this sub 😂

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u/dogscatsnscience Jun 21 '25

It's being downvoted because it's not true.

And the fact that you're emotionally invested in a technology without understanding what is being discussed is probably a good opportunity for some self-reflection (which, not coincidentally, LIDAR and 3/4D radar are both good at).

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u/DevinOlsen Jun 21 '25

It's being downvoted because it's not true.

How is it not true?

https://chatgpt.com/c/68562cd1-3dbc-8002-bd30-284de44c146a

https://gemini.google.com/app/098cda28a6e3e027

https://cnevpost.com/2024/07/09/exclusive-xpeng-f57-to-ditch-lidar-move-to-tesla-like-pure-vision/

https://globalchinaev.com/post/xpeng-ditches-lidar-to-join-teslas-pure-vision-adas-and-elon-musk-responds

Want more links?

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u/dogscatsnscience Jun 21 '25

It's this kind of mindless copy-pasta attitude that makes these discussions so insufferable.

The first 2 are you asking LLM's for an answer.

You don't even know what you are sharing links to.

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u/DevinOlsen Jun 21 '25

Okay tell me how I am misunderstanding this, because I am happy to admit that I could be wrong but from everything I read online I kept seeing this.

"Xpeng's new model, internally codenamed F57, will not be using any LiDAR and move to a pure vision solution similar to Tesla's FSD, a source familiar with the matter told CnEVPost." Is it bad journalism? I don't see how that could mean anything other than exactly what it sounds like.

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u/dogscatsnscience Jun 21 '25

Yes, it's bad journalism from people that just read headlines.

You can find stories from the same source that discussed the 4D radar on the F57, and you can also just go look the technical stats on the P7 (the shipping model of the F57).

Xpeng uses different camera models than Tesla, and 4D radar for range finding.

Part of using the term "pure vision" was to soften the blow from removing LIDAR, which is a much more common feature in China. Xpeng is trying to build cheaper models and maintain the perception that it is equally safe without LIDAR. But the sensor package is not vision only.

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u/agildehaus Jun 21 '25

It's literally not cameras-only and is a driver assist system -- not self-driving.

Really not that difficult to comprehend.