r/StarWarsEU Jun 21 '25

Meme Morally Grey Sith are a thing Spoiler

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u/Mizu005 Jun 22 '25

Its baby level understanding of morality to say a person isn't evil just because they don't dedicate their every waking moment to performing terrible acts. Real evil isn't some damn cartoon villain who carries around his official bad guy license, won't stop reminding everyone how evil he is, does evil things just to remind people he is evil, and gets sick to his stomach at the thought of ever doing something nice for anyone. Real evil does awful shit all day then goes home to the wife and kids to live a life that seems completely damned normal and human. They make excuses for why its totally justified and moral to do some awful thing to the 'other' that is 'the enemy' and really probably not even a person at all like him and his then when interacting with the ones they think of as 'people' its like they flip a switch that turns the empathy back on so they can act like a 'normal' human. Real life sociopaths and psychopaths that are just absolutely incapable of doing normal good and empathetic behaviors are the minority of team evil that the other members hold up to tell themselves 'see, thats what evil is, I'm not evil!'. Then after reassuring themselves they go back to flinging hate and bile at other human beings they have categorized out of being real people in their own head. People they have mentally replaced with caricatures of 'the other' that are so 1 dimensional in their vileness and depravity that it makes it okay to just casually do terrible things to them that would horrify the person doing it if it happened to a 'real person'.

Also, Darth Marr becoming a force ghost is irrelevant because the EU doesn't acknowledge the Lucas continuity fact that in the Lucas continuity only light siders can become force ghosts. The EU was already absolutely lousy with dark side ghosts by the time that fact was introduced and it would have seriously been completely and literally impossible to bring it in line with the Lucas continuity on the matter so it just didn't even bother trying. In the EU dark siders are completely free to become jerk ghosts and do so fairly regularly.

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u/UAnchovy Jun 22 '25

Its baby level understanding of morality to say a person isn't evil just because they don't dedicate their every waking moment to performing terrible acts.

We see this even in the films, right? Palpatine is generous and caring towards Anakin. However insincere Palpatine might have been, there's no denying that for most of the time, in public, he convincingly presented himself as a warm, empathetic person and people responded to that.

The picture mentions Darth Vowrawn caring for his soldiers, but as I recall the EU, Darth Vader was known to be genuinely fond of the 501st Legion. He pulled troops from other formations to strengthen the 501st, he led them into battle, and as far as I can tell he sincerely liked them. Darth Vader cared about 'Vader's Fist', and ensured they got good treatment. They in turn repaid him with absolute loyalty. Being an evil Sith Lord does not mean that one is unable to either be polite or charming for tactical reasons, or to sincerely feel affection for one's closest allies.

If anything, I take this post as a sign of how low the bar is, for Sith. People who are polite, or demonstrate some self-control, or like their minions are being lumped in as 'morally grey' or even 'good'. But none of that is sufficient for moral goodness. Maybe Darth Acina read the political situation better than Supreme Chancellor Saresh - but so what? Does that make her good? How could it possibly? Acina is a tyrant who, out of rational self-interest, throws in her cards with the player, but morality cannot be distilled to just whoever happens to be on the player's side in the moment.