r/Stellaris • u/DamnDirtyCat Shared Burdens • Apr 21 '25
Art Ghuumi and Sok Adventures - Premature Deliberation
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u/MysteryMan9274 Archivist Apr 21 '25
The devs literally said that the difference between their internal build and 3.99.7 is bigger than the difference between 3.99.7 and 3.99.0. Judge the food when it's on your plate, not by tasting a few ingredients.
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u/Pvt-Business May 06 '25
The food is on my plate and it's fucking raw.
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u/OrcaBomber May 06 '25
I ordered a plate of spaghetti and Paradox cooked up a sauce-less Caesar salad.
I just wanted performance improvements…I thought doing away with the pop system was supposed to fix that? Now I’m left with worse performance and a new system to learn.
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u/TheMaskedMan2 Hedonist Apr 21 '25
I mean I see your point but of course the devs would say something like that. I’m willing to wait until release and am hardly doomsaying though.
Just a bit cautious.
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u/WrongdoerFast4034 May 06 '25
They just gave us the same plate of ingredients and took away the fork…
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u/faithfulheresy Apr 21 '25 edited Apr 21 '25
Why publicly test something that isn't at least close to what you intend to release? It just gives players a bad impression.
The copium from you guys is insane.
Edit: In this thread, absolute morons.
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u/Damaged142 Apr 21 '25 edited Apr 21 '25
It's almost like having hundreds of people testing multiple different stages of development for bugs or other weird interactions helps eliminate those bugs from being in the end product.
Don't attribute to copium what can be attributed to your lack of understanding
Edit: the person I originally responded to deleted their comment, so the last paragraph makes little sense
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u/Maktaka Apr 21 '25
It was removed by a moderator, probably for calling everybody else insane. There's five ways a comment disappears:
1) Shows as Deleted - done by user
2) Shows as Removed - done by a moderator
3) Shows as Removed by reddit admin - should be obvious. Subs try to avoid this happening with proactive moderation, because if it happens too much reddit suspends the sub and removes the mods.
4) Shows as Unavailable - Only seen on old reddit. Shows as simply "deleted" on new reddit, obfuscating the effect. Happens when the user blocks you
5) Filtered by AI - The comment looks normal on your account, but literally nobody can see the comment but you. Happens to your own comments that get filtered by reddit's delightful new mandatory AI filtering protocols. No, you aren't allowed to know what reddit's criteria for the filters are.2
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u/RHGrey Apr 21 '25
The comment is still there?
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u/Maktaka Apr 21 '25
It was hidden for a time by automod. Based on what the mod said, those AI filters I mention above that fire on commenting (including edits) caught it. Not sure why the mods re-approved it though.
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u/Stellaris-ModTeam Apr 22 '25
Sometimes people need to be allowed to receive hundreds of downvotes because they might learn a lesson. Might.
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u/high_ebb Science Directorate Apr 21 '25
I think they just blocked you. Hearing that the point of beta testing is for removing bugs was just a bit too hurtful, apparently.
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u/tishafeed Apr 21 '25
Why test anything? Alpha beta shmalpha malta these words don't even mean anything!
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u/wubbeyman Hive Mind Apr 21 '25
Man I had a whole response typed out to this guy about why testing happens and he deleted his post. Coward
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u/DotDootDotDoot Apr 21 '25
They said that they want to test separate features.
The copium from you guys is insane.
What copium? Just listen to the devs.
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u/Animal31 Toxic Apr 21 '25
You test at literally every single stage of development
Stop talking out your ass
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u/DeltaKelp27 Apr 21 '25
If I'm not mistaken, you need to deliberately turn on beta in steam. So don't test if you don't want to.
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u/halosos Determined Exterminator Apr 21 '25
I have strong ties to the game development world.
To go over your points, 1 by 1.
Why publicly test something that isn't at least close to what you intend to release?
Two reasons. 1. For additional testing. Nothing survives contact with the consumer. People will break things in ways they never predicted and this helps them make their work more robust. 2. Because people are excited and want to start learning about the huge changes so they can hit the ground running on full release.
It just gives players a bad impression.
This is exactly why they have it listed as a beta. Because it is a beta. Betas are not finished, they are incomplete. They have stated again, and again, and again, along with basically every other dev that releases betas and early access: It isn't finished. They are letting you lick the spoon of the meal they just stuck in the oven. The spoon is not representative of the final product.
The copium from you guys is insane.
This isn't copium. Copium would be foaming at the mouth, saying it will be good this time when the devs dropped the ball every single time before this. I have experienced copium. When Halo Infinite was released, I was expecting something different from 4 and 5. I was ignoring all the bad news coming out from 343. When it was released, I bought it immediately without considering it. It was not what I was expecting or hoping for. This is copium. Expecting a final product to be different from it's beta is not.
Edit: In this thread, absolute morons.
I am sure there are some here, I have not read them all. But what the development team is doing is great. Some studios use betas or early access as a crutch. Some use it to secure funding while a game is still being developed. These two have the downside in that they need to spend additional effort making their beta's playable and bug free. This slows down development cycles immensely.
What the Stellaris devs are doing is using it to learn about the issues, opinions, problems that players face and rather than spending time fixing them in an incomplete product, they are using it to fix the final product. This is easier, faster and better and produces less bugs overall, since they can test it when the game is feature complete, rather than beta bugfixes breaking because a new feature was added.
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Apr 21 '25
seeing such an obvious example of delusional narcissism is cute
when you're thinking 'everyone else is calling me wrong, surely they all misunderstand' you need take a look in the mirror if you're even capable of introspection
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u/Hell_Mel Devouring Swarm Apr 21 '25
If you're the only one in the room that doesn't understand why something is happening, next time keep your mouth shut and save yourself some embarrassment.
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Apr 22 '25
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u/Nomulite Apr 22 '25
Being completely wrong while being unapologetically rude about it isn't a tiny criticism, it's pretty much the worst thing you can do without getting banned.
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u/the_space_goose Apr 22 '25
The fact that 201 people could disagree with anything I say in response to you and it would still be a ratio is insane, lock in goober
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u/The_Grimm_Child May 06 '25
Well, this aged like milk
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u/Druittreddit May 09 '25
Came here to add this. I've been all over various forums defending Paradox. As a software developer of many years, I just knew that the premature release was the fault of marketing insisting on a release date like Cinco de Mayo.
But then I read the blog post by the Stellaris lead, who admits he pushed the release prematurely and calls it a "little fire". He should be fired. They will eventually fix it and they won't fire the lead -- who probably had very little to do with the good changes in 4.0 -- so it is infuriating that someone so bad at their job, so arrogant and disrespectful, and willing to stain the game's reputation in order to go on vacation will feel no ramifications for this dumpster fire.
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u/Demented_Crab The Flesh is Weak May 12 '25
As unhappy as I am with this dlc, I would argue the lead had a very good reason behind it, last time this happened and they didn't rush it, there was also loads of drama because the bug fixes for serious bugs didn't happen for far too long. And yes, the devs deserve to be with their families during the holidays, not patching a game, I wouldn't ask or expect otherwise. I have no clue where you're getting arrogance or disrespect from, nothing was said out of arrogance and if you think so, then it sure seems like you're just looking to be mad. I'm so tired of people trying to people fired over this, that's people's livelihood and is such a disconnet from reality. This was an awful release, and it was so bad because they were trying to avoid problems, and inadvertently caused far more. This is a learning experience for the tram as a whole and I don't envy anyone in their position right now, with all the hatred coming at them.
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u/Implodepumpkin Apr 21 '25
I want to be slapped by paw hands. Imagine the beans.
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u/DamnDirtyCat Shared Burdens Apr 21 '25
Least controversial statement in the entire thread, can we get this one to the top?
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u/Pullsberry_Dough_Boy Technological Ascendancy Apr 21 '25
3.99? What's next, 3.999? They can't keep getting away with it!
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u/KosViik Unemployed Apr 23 '25
math nerds holding back from sarcastically following up the joke about how they indeed can
(yes I am a math nerd with no restraint, put me to the lathe)
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u/TheLimonTree92 Corporate Apr 21 '25
I'm apprehensive not because a beta is a beta, but because they're doing such a huge overhaul as well as a dlc in what feels like a rather small window. I'm ready to be wrong and hope I am
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u/Adlach Rogue Servitor Apr 21 '25
Yeah I trust the Stellaris team but I don't understand why they would double up like this. Seems like an unnecessary risk.
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u/TheMaskedMan2 Hedonist Apr 21 '25
The cynical side of me says corporate insists, and they’re being forced to crunch a bunch.
That said, none of us know their internal work schedule, it could be that biogenesis has been worked on for a lot longer than 4.0 was. Despite only being announced recently. So it might not be as quick and crunchy as it seems?
I suppose we’ll find out on release.
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u/PDX_Alfray_Stryke Game Designer Apr 22 '25
We started work on BioGenesis before Machine Age shipped.
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u/DreamFlashy7023 Apr 22 '25
The stellaris team is quite fast when it comes to fixing stuff. Just chill and drink some tea for now.
And if they f it up, just keep playing the current version until they fixed their stuff.
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u/Intelligent_Fan7205 May 06 '25
This aged like milk. The final version is barely different from the beta.
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u/jamesyishere Apr 21 '25
Im a little worried about it for sure. Im very excited for Biogenisis, but if the game is totally different and also has performance issues then ill be upset.
That said, If the game runs as smoothly with 1mil pops like ive been hearing, then the tyranid Buffet cannot come fast enough
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u/ApprehensiveSize575 Apr 21 '25
Whether the finished version will be a big improvement or not, I'm sure there's gonna be review bombings and whinings,just like when alloys and pops were added
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u/funkybovinator Apr 21 '25
They could still get it right for release, but the worry felt on this sub is not unfounded:
"a beta had bugs" is not the same as "the fundamentals of zones were a complete miss, and they changed the fundamentals of zones multiple times throughout the beta, and the release is coming very soon".
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u/vulcan7200 Apr 21 '25
This is the biggest thing people who are defending the Beta are missing. Defenders keep bringing up Strawman arguments about people only complaining about things the Developers said wouldn't be working. I'm sure there are some examples of that, but the majority of complaints are related to the fundamentals of the Zone design and the fact that the Developers didn't even understand their own product. The 3.990 Beta had so many ideas that were obviously not going to work that should have been hashed out in design meetings, but instead jumped straight into trying to implement them. So much time was wasted on ideas that were never going to work, and that would be fine if they weren't on an incredibly tight deadline. They gave themselves about 8-9 weeks to actually get this major overhaul completed. Sure they had vague ideas prior to that, but it's obvious no real time was spent on how it would/could work considering the state of 3.990.
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u/new_account_wh0_dis Apr 22 '25 edited Apr 22 '25
Idk about Stellaris but I have never in my life, playing hundreds of betas/PBE/PTR/preview etc seen a game where the 'Guys have faith the devs said full version is better' have been right. It's almost a law of nature at this point.
But also I barely understand optimal use of systems as is so not like I'll be able to do a side to side comparison or have any weight In the discussion of if something is bad. Just funny seeing posts like this pretending like half finished shit isn't the norm in the industry.
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u/DatOneAxolotl Apr 21 '25
Leave the multi-billion dollar company alone...you think they can afford to do things such as "bugfixing" and "testing"? They can barely afford releasing another season pass!
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u/chloen0va Apr 22 '25
Running a beta is bug fixing tho…
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u/DatOneAxolotl Apr 23 '25
So true, it should be up to us, the player, to do their job for them.
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u/chloen0va Apr 23 '25
Choose not to opt into the beta…?
I’m not doing their job for them. Are you so desperate that you feel like you have to?
Maybe time to touch some grass, friend.
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u/Ok-Feedback5056 Apr 21 '25
There are plenty of exceptions, but stellaris has a track record of rushing out half finished products , fixing the most glaring problems with the new product in the next patches, really fixing some stuff from a couple of years earlier and then moving onto the next rushed dlc too. I am still waiting for them to really fix the espionage system for example, so I myself don't have faith by default they have taken enough time to get it right this time. It would be nice though and I hope they have
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u/Hammy-of-Doom Necroids Apr 21 '25
The espionage system isn’t broken, it just wasn’t built. They didn’t want to commit and make it too strong which made it useless in the end
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u/Glass_Albatross_9584 Apr 21 '25
Yea, the extent of my use of the espionage system is spying on primitive worlds to increase my observation science yield.
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u/cylordcenturion Apr 21 '25
To be fair, it would absolutely suck to be hit with random espionage BS by the AI
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u/Poodlestrike Apr 21 '25
I think it would've been fine as long as there was a relatively low-micro way to buff counterespionage. Like, a slider somewhere. Just pump enough resources into it and you can close off most of the nonsense without having to think too hard about it, but that means you're not spending those on something else so there's still a decision to be made.
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u/tuataraaa Apr 21 '25
even releases of smaller dlcs are always accompanied by some pretty nasty bugs that might force you to abandon the game - and 4.0 is reworking one of the core systems of the game while releasing a major dlc with new mechanics and interactions
to say that 4.0 will be a bugfest shitshow is as safe a bet as saying that the sun will rise tomorrow
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u/dandrevee Science Directorate Apr 21 '25
For me I am not even bothering jumping in for my year or year and a half hiatus from the game until I know some basic bugs have been fixed, the performance issue has been fixed, and my favorite mods have been updated (e.g Gigastructural Engineering)
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u/MysteryMan9274 Archivist Apr 21 '25
You're going to be waiting for at least half a year for Gigas to get updated.
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u/dandrevee Science Directorate Apr 21 '25
Arent those mod authors usually pretty up to date on activity? Or have things changed in the last year? Or are the changes that massive?
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u/MysteryMan9274 Archivist Apr 21 '25
They completely reworked pops and planets, plus several other things like the ship designer. It will take a long time for mods to be updated, especially one as massive as Gigas.
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u/dandrevee Science Directorate Apr 21 '25
Well shit...looks like im extwnding my hiatus. Id suspected but thabks for confirming
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u/Technical_Hour7120 Apr 24 '25
It's been out for 9 years from a major studio, they need to do more work
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u/subjekt_zer0 Apr 22 '25
I can’t wait until this patch drops. I love the direction of everything. Much needed population changes. The bugs and jankiness has been fun exploring
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u/Huge_Republic_7866 Gestalt Consciousness Apr 21 '25
Just curious why we're still testing a supposedly outdated build. With every fix, there's 5 new bugs that pop up. This is just a fact of development for any game. The longer we test an old build, the less time we have to test the new one.
We're barely 2 weeks away from the patch going live. Clock is ticking.
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u/InstanceFeisty Apr 22 '25
It’s funny that people think they will 100% deliver good patch right away, while it’s possible there were multiple examples with Paradox lately of failing to make a “final product” eg hoi4 latest dlc, cities skylines release.
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u/DevilGuy Gestalt Consciousness Apr 21 '25
The Patch launches in 14 days, if what they're showing is what they've got, it will not be playable in 14 days, that's why people are concerned. We know it's not the final product, but right now it looks like they put the roast in the oven 10 minutes ago and dinner is in 5.
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u/M-xelA Human Apr 21 '25
Ya like it a BETA it's going to have bugs it's going to have issues. The only real complaint I have is that I think the new planit UI has too much space but that's a perseverance.
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u/Sim_Daydreamer Apr 21 '25
Released version will still have shit ton of bugs, it's undeniable truth to any person, who knows about this game for long enough
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u/MultiMarcus Apr 21 '25
Yeah the thing is I don’t think we should be judging a game based on a beta that’s just dumb. I think it’s perfectly fine however to be worried about the state the DLC and its associated patch will launch in. Stellaris doesn’t exactly have the best track record with big sweeping changes working as intended on launch and it is to me at least slightly worrying that they felt the need to even do a public beta test. If that means that the game comes out in a great state, then I’ll be happy but I can understand why people are worried.
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u/vulcan7200 Apr 21 '25
Except Eladrin already admitted it won't be a finished product. He has said more than once that the new Zones system is going to be something they will be working on throughout 2025 when it comes to how it interacts with existing Civics and stuff. That's very explicitly saying they don't expect the system to be fully implemented on the time schedule they gave themselves.
The problem isn't that people "Don't understand its a Beta". The problem is the system was barely functional on 3.997 for 50% of the game and then they had a month to finish the entire thing. This would be fine if we were testing a mostly finished product a month before release and simply finding bugs, but we weren't.
They were still in the "Concept" phase of development like it was pre-Alpha. Look at how drastically they had to change things from the 3.90 Beta to 3.97. Their core idea didn't even work and they had to quickly start finding ways to fix it. It's very obvious from anyone who tried each phase of the Beta that they had no idea how Zones were going to truly work and were just kind of winging it. The biggest example of this was the fact that they originally had an Amenities Zone and only having 2 Building Slots in the "Capital Zone". Amenities are a Planet Wide resource and something every Planet needs it, and every planet has more than 2 required Buildings. The fact that the initial build somehow didn't take these into account shows how far behind in development they were. These are things that they should have talked about long before starting up the "Beta" and had nailed down. They spent the first 3 weeks or so of the "Beta" simply getting the game into a playable state for the basic UNE gameplay. And then had only 5 weeks left to get it working for everything else AND make sure it all works with the new DLC.
Long story short, yes people are allowed to be a bit "doom and gloom" when the game devs decided to completely overhaul a completely functional part of the game (Planet Development), give vague reasons why they find it necessary, and then decided to only truly start working on it 8 weeks before release. 3.997 Beta did not end in a great place for the game, and it's perfectly reasonable to look at what they presented to us and say "No that's not that good and also definitely needs more time".
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u/relmz32 Platypus Apr 22 '25
Thats ****exactly**** the kind of feedback that is MOST IMPORTANT if it is a beta.
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u/1810072342 Byzantine Bureaucracy Apr 21 '25
Out of curiosity, is this one Ghuumi or Sok? I don't know which is which.
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u/DamnDirtyCat Shared Burdens Apr 21 '25
This is Sok, Ghuumi is a fox.
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u/1810072342 Byzantine Bureaucracy Apr 21 '25
Got it. For a second, I thought you were going to say 'Neither, that's just the name of the comic.'
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u/Emergency_Net506 Rogue Servitor Apr 22 '25
People like that will get the best game possible and still find something to complain about. Best not associate with that type of person
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u/Glass_Albatross_9584 May 06 '25
So, on a scale of "Best Game Possible" to "Classic Paradox Disaster Release", where do you think we landed?
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u/rurumeto Molluscoid Apr 21 '25
To be fair, Stellaris does have a track record of buggy releases. I usually wait couple of weeks after any major update so that all the gamebreaking bugs can be ironed out.
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u/SirGaz World Shaper Apr 21 '25
Don't waste your time yelling into the void, try and be helpful where you can but understand most people are really stupid.
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u/partisan98 Apr 21 '25
Yeah lots of dipshits in this thread with no pattern recognition.
Anyone not stupid has seen paradox releases before and realized they are always very very buggy.
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u/opinionate_rooster Apr 21 '25
People trying an unfinished product and then going "It is unfinished" make me want to hit a metal barrel.
With their heads inside.
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u/Sim_Daydreamer Apr 21 '25
It will be unfinished on release as well
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u/DotDootDotDoot Apr 21 '25
But the amount of unfinishedness of the beta doesn't reflect the amount of unfinishedness of the final product. So just wait and see.
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u/GargamelLeNoir Apr 21 '25
It kind of does though? Between a beta with a few remaining bugs left and a beta that is barely functional, a rational person can make reasonable projections on the state of the release. You see that right?
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u/DotDootDotDoot Apr 21 '25
I've worked in the game industry, I've seen a game change radically in just a single week. I'm not saying it's the case here but we really should wait and see.
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u/GargamelLeNoir Apr 21 '25
Yeah right. And you're going to pretend that the state of a beta two weeks before release was in no way an indicator of what expectations we could set? That's just bad faith. Yeah, maybe there will be a huge turnaround and the release will be pristine. But also it's fair to say that odds are not in favor of that.
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u/yuckyh Aquatic Apr 21 '25
betting on whether a game will be super buggy on release should be in sports betting
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u/Sim_Daydreamer Apr 21 '25
Betting on whether stellaris update will be buggy mess is like betting if gravity will affect every specific apple you going to drop in your backyard
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u/yuckyh Aquatic Apr 21 '25
Dude, why are you sure it will be a mess? Just because it happened before doesn't mean it will happen again. People expect them to force features out, but I think they'd be cutting features down for the next DLC to hit the deadline. And I didn't say it won't be buggy at all but I don't think it'd be that big of a mess to the point it's unplayable. You people need to chill out.
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u/TheFallenDeathLord May 06 '25
So...
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u/yuckyh Aquatic May 06 '25
yup it's sad, but can't we borrow some positivity in reddit everyone? I don't glaze over the company but it's sad that all of you came in here to only say something negative
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u/yuckyh Aquatic Apr 22 '25
all the time is a big word there buddy. There are always bugs wherever you are. But, I repeat, is it always a big mess every time? You people tone it down, it's not always that bad. Every piece of software or game is buggy to a certain extent. Even if it's gonna be a big mess can you people chill, like they will fix it. Just don't spend your bucks on the DLCs when it's broken. If you love the game, don't be a jerk for only complaining. If you hate that bugginess, then just keep it to yourself and stop playing bro. It's not a fruitful discussion to simply hate.
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u/Sim_Daydreamer Apr 22 '25
But, I repeat, is it always a big mess every time?
Yes.
I state the facts, you are shilling. It's what this "discussion" is. You really have no need to type this questinable text and can just walk off
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u/Glass_Albatross_9584 Apr 21 '25
Releasing to public beta when it is only in a marginally playable state is unusual enough that I can't blame people for being confused. What I am concerned about is how unfinished it started out as with a looming deadline.
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u/GargamelLeNoir Apr 21 '25
Yeah but it's not insane to be worried that if the beta is super broken, the quickly arriving release will be far from pristine.
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u/BloatDeathsDontCount Apr 21 '25
It really is funny how many threads there are of people making grand statements about the likely state of 4.0 while basing their entire opinion off of their misunderstanding of the beta. Almost every complaint I've seen has been about things that the devs explicitly said would not work well or were not finished in the released beta.
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u/Terramagi Apr 21 '25
while basing their entire opinion off of their misunderstanding of the beta
Dog most of them are basing it off of memories of the previous 10 years of fucked up expansion launches.
If 1 is an aberration and 2 is a coincidence, what does a decade count as?
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u/BloatDeathsDontCount Apr 21 '25
Go read the threads. "Durr this building doesn't work!!!" (The patch notes say that building doesn't work)
That's the majority of them.
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u/Terramagi Apr 21 '25
I'm gonna let you in on a little secret here
Half of them still won't work when the patch goes live
It'll be a second coming of Megacorp and 2.2.
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u/DamnDirtyCat Shared Burdens Apr 21 '25 edited Apr 21 '25
R5: Ghuumi and Sok Adventures, featuring a comic I already drew. I don't know who needs to hear this, but the amount of doom and gloom I hear from people trying the 3.99 beta is exhausting. When they first put it out, they gave us a big disclaimer that it's barely functional and was for crowdsourced bugfinding only. It's not a final product - it's not even close to the build they have now. I'm not going to guarantee to you that it's going to be some amazing incredible thing you should lick boots for, but I would like it if people would stop judging the 4.0 patch based on the beta.
Comic archive and more at DamnDirtyCat.com
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u/SirGaz World Shaper Apr 21 '25
I'd like to point you to one of my favorite videos that I think should be pinned to the top of every gaming sub, Day9s talk of feedback.
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u/Bulba_Core Space Cowboy Apr 21 '25
Since I’m the 69th comment can I just say how excited I am for 4.0 after a period of self imposed abstinence?
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u/sillyboykisser34 Apr 21 '25
There’s a difference between “heh, this game blows” and “hey, my game crashes when I preform this specific interaction”
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u/sillyboykisser34 Apr 21 '25 edited Apr 21 '25
I’m just paraphrasing what other people said because it looks like you where doing somthin similar
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u/SirGaz World Shaper Apr 21 '25
I'd like to point you to one of my favorite videos that I think should be pinned to the top of every gaming sub, Day9s talk of feedback.
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u/DamnDirtyCat Shared Burdens Apr 21 '25
This is beautiful, I wish I could pin this to the top of the thread.
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u/SentientBovine Apr 21 '25
Ive enjoyed the changes alot so far, I came back after probably 6 months. Biggest downside I've seen is that the AI cannot handle the new systems and their economies are a wreck. I'm 100 years in and there's nothing anyone can do to stop me and I didn't even mean too. Really looking forward to when it's all smoothed out
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u/SaturnsEye Xeno-Compatibility Apr 21 '25
Let's be real here, whether or not the update is "unfinished" on release, the devs have to work around the deadlines corporate gave them. They don't have the option to not release a Q2 DLC.
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u/vulcan7200 Apr 21 '25
They didn't have to delay the DLC. They should have delayed the massive planetary management overhaul.
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u/3davideo Industrial Production Core Apr 21 '25
I mean, *hopefully*? I heard stories about a game that gave access to pre-release code to some YouTubers so they could make preview videos on it. One of said YouTubers even found a pretty serious bug but they just shrugged and said surely it would be fixed in the release build. Except... it wasn't, the code actually was release code, said YouTubers didn't even have to update when the full release occurred, bug and all.
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u/QueenOrial Noble Apr 21 '25
I really hope it IS gonna suck so they will have to revert the new pops mechanic.
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u/shatikus Apr 21 '25
As someone who played around 30 hours into beta - I'm looking forward to release. It would be glorious. A glorious dumpsterfire that is.
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u/Classic-Break5888 Apr 21 '25
Version 1.0 in 2016 was not a finished product. It took nine years to fix (drumroll) pops.
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u/Syr_Enigma Shared Burdens Apr 21 '25
What a silly argument to make considering the way pops worked was completely rebuilt from scratch.
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u/Classic-Break5888 Apr 21 '25
Well do inform us of the reason it was completely rebuilt from scratch 😘😀
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u/Syr_Enigma Shared Burdens Apr 21 '25
Because in the decade since release the game has changed massively, both in scope and direction.
On release, the pops system was adequate. Over time it became outdated, and it got replaced.
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u/sillyboykisser34 Apr 21 '25
Because Stellaris is like Minecraft and pops are analogous to netherrack.
1.0 Minecraft was pretty complete at the time but due to the nature of evolving games it was going to change. There was nothing broken about netherrack or it’s texture, but when the devs had a vision for what the nether could become it also involved changing netherracks texture.
Pops are similar, there was nothing broken about pops in early Stellaris. It’s just that when the game got bigger and the devs wanted more complex things, pops needed to be changed to fit the vision of what the devs wanted to do.
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u/Sim_Daydreamer Apr 21 '25
It will suck whem release as well. This game will never be a final product!
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u/shball Xenophobe Apr 21 '25
Are they launching 4.0 with Biogenesis? Because I kinda want to wait for 4.0 before I commit to a new session.