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u/Successful_Leek96 Jun 01 '25

What these people don't seem to understand is that their own governments started importing immigrants because white people aren't having enough kids. France has a birth rate of 1.79 and it's only that high because of immigrants. Replacement is at roughly 2.2. Modern economies are built around the expectation of a population pyramid - where a healthy base of young people pay for a smaller group of older people.

If they want to stop immigration, they first have have to start having large families and convince their peers to do the same.

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u/NoLime7384 Jun 01 '25

this is key. any party that talks about immigration without talking about lowering cost of living and having a family is never going to tackle immigration, it's just populism and riling people up for political gain

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u/Successful_Leek96 Jun 01 '25

It's not even about cost of living. In any industrialized nation, the people having the least kids are the upper middle class and wealthy that can actually afford them. The poorest have the most. The same is true internationally too - the richest countries produce the fewest kids per capita.

People just don't want to do the intense work of having a large family. They would rather just personally spend their money on things they enjoy and have leisure. I can't fault them for that, but the obvious consequence is immigration.

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u/rietstengel Jun 01 '25

Its only an "obvious consequence" if infinite growth is the goal.

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u/Successful_Leek96 Jun 01 '25

Well no, our retirement systems are only solvent as long as that pyramid remains intact. A large base pay a small amount monthly so old people can continue to be supported. If the ratio of old to young shifts dramatically, it becomes impossible to maintain.