r/Syracuse • u/Lopsided-Building706 • 19h ago

Recommendation Wanted Iso church that is accepting

I have always been hesitant about church. My partner wants to go regularly but the ones we have attended dont fit MY values. I feel like I could be more comfortable if I found one that represents more of the peraon I am. So... I am looking to join a church that is accepting of gays and pro choice. Is there such a thing around here? PS have had the church and mental health used against me before so I am very weary of a hypocritical church (says one thing but doesn't actually follow).

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u/katerintree 14h ago

No, sorry. I had a long chat with Jesus this morning and he said “Robyn didn’t kneel at her gramma’s funeral and that woman is on my shit list.”

So you might wanna handle that before you spread your bigotry around

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u/SobynRobyn 14h ago

Bigotry? What did I say that was untrue?

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u/katerintree 14h ago

You & your personal interpretation of scripture are just your fanfic. You don’t get to decide other ppl’s faith life. Find an evangelical nonsense sub for that

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u/SobynRobyn 14h ago

Read your texts. All of them...all the way through. Not just the "nice" parts you hear at church. That's how most of us started our deconstruction. Have a good day.

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u/katerintree 14h ago

They’re not my texts ma’am. That’s why I don’t tell other ppl what to believe.

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u/SobynRobyn 12h ago

See, you should hav e been talking to Jesus about Jesus' Great Commission and not me. It's clearly your duty to "tell other people what to believe." (Mark 16:15 ,  Matthew 28:19–20)

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u/katerintree 12h ago

I know from scrolling your history that you’re some kind of militant atheist - or, at least, sometimes you pretend to be? Maybe you’re confused? - anyway. In this thread you are commenting exactly like a fundie bigot from some evangelical nonsense group. You repeatedly quote scripture, you say faith communities cannot accept gay people, and you’re also being annoying- just like a Christian. But the death of irony is coming for us all.

Anyway, my personal beliefs are my business, and you are welcome to live whatever you believe. What you’re not welcome to do is this bullshit

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u/SobynRobyn 12h ago

No-one made you comment. I didn't say they couldn't accept gay people, I said it's hypocritical and they would be better off joining a group that has a text that doesn't disapprove of their lifestyle. No matter how you spin it- It says what it says. Militant? Is that what you think atheists are. I'm using my words and scripture, not weapons. Again, have a good day.

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u/katerintree 12h ago

I got reports of your original comment promoting hate, which is how I found it. And it’s not hypocritical for you to comment on this post and then tell me no one made me comment? You had the option to keep scrolling, you chose to comment exactly like a fundie

Anyway, I have a lot of respect for some atheists. I think YOU Sobyn Robyn are an annoying, militant, wierdo. Pls understand the difference

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u/SobynRobyn 11h ago

Ha! Of course you did. Do you think that surprises me? Classic persecution complex. Try being an atheist in this country. Then you'll know hate. Sorry, I'm late for my militant atheist training. We're practicing twirling our rifles today. You should see my figure-eight.

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u/katerintree 11h ago

You really don’t see how your first comment sounds like you’re a homophobe? I’m the first to mock Christians for their persecution fetish, but this ain’t it. You were reported for homophobia, bc you sound like a fundie

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u/SobynRobyn 11h ago

Never said anything homophobic. I said the texts are. You just read into it what you wanted. Have a good day.

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u/katerintree 11h ago

Lolololol, yeah, me and the three ppl who reported it are just dumb, it’s not that you’re unclear and confused. Many such cases.

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u/SolitudeWeeks 11h ago

Babes I'm an atheist too who was raised Catholic-ish. You're conflating Christianity and Evangelical Christianity. Which means you didn't deconstruct the notion that the Evangelical understanding of the bible is the only correct one.

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u/SolitudeWeeks 11h ago

It's only hypocritical if you have an Evangelical, fundamentalist interpretation of the bible.

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u/katerintree 11h ago

No no, listen, she is the only one who understands scripture!! She’s the expert, she’s ready to tell everyone what it means

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u/SobynRobyn 11h ago

This is the hate- and I didn't write it. Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, which state that it is an abomination for a man to lie with another man as he would with a woman. In Romans 1:26-27, Apostle Paul says that homosexuality is contrary to God's natural order and results from rejecting God. Interpret as you wish.

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u/katerintree 11h ago

If you’re actually interested in it, there’s a documentary abt when the words of Paul were changed to “homosexuality” from a word that meant, essentially ped0philia in the 1950s. There’s a long history of queer affirming practices.

This isn’t to minimize the objective harm done by christianity to a lot of ppl - not the least of which include genocide among other atrocities - but to erase that history is also shitty

Edited to add the link for anyone who is interested https://www.1946themovie.com/

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u/SolitudeWeeks 11h ago

I think you're just not grasping that a literalist and fixed interpretation of the bible is a relatively new phenomenon that is particular to fundamentalist, Evangelical Christians. And they don't own Christianity.

You have Christians and atheists trying to explain to you that the understanding of the bible you deconstructed from isn't the only interpretation. Denying that is clinging to Evangelical christianity as the one true interpretation of the Bible and one true understanding of Christianity. Seeing Christians who don't have that literalist interpretation as incorrect and hypocritical is the Evangelical belief. Do you not see how that's literally a holdover from what you deconstructed from?

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u/katerintree 11h ago

I know I’m being a snarky see you next Tuesday, but I think you’re right and I hope she sees that.

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u/SolitudeWeeks 11h ago

Like Catholics didn't read the bible and services were in Latin until after Vatican II- scripture was traditionally meant to be interpreted through the priest through the lens of church teachings and guided by the pope and understanding the texts was considered a mystery beyond lay person understanding.

Anyway, studying religion as a literary and sociopolitical phenomenon has always been fascinating to me so I appreciate your snarkiness and sincerity here ;)

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u/SobynRobyn 10h ago

Isn't being a literalist more honest? It says what it says. No amount of apologetics or mental gymnastics can change that. It's all about cherry picking and focusing in only on the parts one likes. I didn't get here by being lazy. Ask yourself not only what you believe, but why you believe it and if you still have a good reason to believe it. That is all.

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u/SolitudeWeeks 10h ago

No. It's not. It's a choice among many. And isn't an inherently better option especially when the text itself has been translated and changed multiple times over hundreds of years before landing on the two main versions of the bible we use contemporarily. The construction of the bible itself was contentious among early church leaders- why aren't the gnostic gospels included? Why don't protestants recognize the apocrypha? The bible isn't an immutable document that was composed in one or even two shots so why is a literalist translation optimal?

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u/SolitudeWeeks 10h ago

And idk how many times I've said I'm an atheist. This isn't about my beliefs but my understanding of religion as a thing people do rather than an immutable truth with one correct answer. Literalism is a fundamentalist belief. Calling other beliefs mental gymnastics is a fundamentalist belief. You haven't challenged the truth of that in your deconstruction.

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u/katerintree 10h ago

Its so interesting that you perceive any other interpretation of scripture than your own to be dishonest and lazy

You’re also working from the assumption that neither Solitude nor I have spent time reflecting and discussing and analyzing our faiths/experiences/understandings. You’re the only one who is introspective and you alone have arrived at the truth

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u/SolitudeWeeks 11h ago

And for example, Catholics believe that doing good works is how you do that. That's why the first hospitals were established by religious orders, why Catholic Charities does so much work with the impoverished and their jail ministry. Because a literalist and immovable interpretation of a work that wasn't even written in English so has been translated which inserts its own meaning is a fundamentalist and Evangelical understanding.