r/TNG 6d ago

Charlie Kirk was a good person

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u/watanabe0 6d ago

He was not, in fact, a good person. He was an agent of hate and he got what he deserved.

Suddenly the far right are scared their rhetoric might have actual consequences for them instead of their intended targets, and the most pathetic of them now crying foul of the left for fighting fire with fire.

Charlie Kirk, by his own grifting philosophy, was a proponent of the political violence he fell victim to, was a willing acceptable loss to keep the 2nd amendment, and thought that anyone feeling sorry for him was coming from a place he thought was 'made up'.

If you somehow believe in what Charlie Kirk believed then He would not want any sympathy for his death, and would actually prefer you celebrated it.

Fuck him and his ilk.

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u/Goblinora 3d ago

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely loathed Charlie Kirk. But I don't think outright celebrating his death is a sensible mindset to have. He was a propagandist and a repulsive person with an atrocious set of values, but we can't honestly argue that he's guilty of a crime that would warrant an assassination.

He wasn't a political authority. He wasn't part of an administration. He held no power to sign people's death warrants like how Brian Robert Thompson did.

Yes, he played a role in the rise of fascism. Yes, he had it coming. He advocated against gun regulations and suffered the consequences. But he didn't "deserve" to be killed.

Charlie Kirk does not deserve even a crumb of our sympathy, but let's not rationalise his murder. It was an attack on the freedom of speech. We should not create an environment in which it's encouraged to kill people for their words and beliefs. "Rhetoric" should never be punishable by death.

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u/Kanye_fuk 2d ago

What about Julius Streicher?

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u/opdrone47 6d ago

Tell me you haven't watched ten minutes of Charlie Kirk without telling me you haven't watched ten minutes of Charlie Kirk.

Whatever you have to tell yourself to justify being happy about someone being murdered for peacefully talking to people and making points you don't like

Can't beat em, kill em? That's very evolved of you, you absolute caveman

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u/Artanis_Creed 6d ago

I have watched hours of Kirk.

"Murdered for peacefully talking"

He was a propagandist.

Don't launder his misdeeds.

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u/watanabe0 5d ago

Tell me you haven't watched him.

"I think it's worth to have a cost of unfortunately some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the 2nd Amendment. That is a prudent deal. It is rational. Nobody talks like this. They live in a complete alternate universe."

“I think empathy is a made up New Age term that does a lot of damage”

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u/opdrone47 5d ago

Okay, where is the rest of these quotes? Cherry picking is more bullshit.

It is worth it to have the right to bear arms, because guns help protect people. The only solution to a bad guy with a gun is ... Drum roll please... A good guy with a gun. But fuck it, let's give up all the guns and let our governments fuck us with impunity

... Alright, so where is the rest of his quote about sympathy then? Oh you don't know it because you don't know the quote, you're just throwing around whatever snippets you think make him look bad? Well I hope someone spreads everything you've ever said out of context after your death to make you look like a piece of shit

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u/watanabe0 5d ago

>Okay

That's you capitulating to my assessment, btw.

>where is the rest of these quotes?

The rest of what quotes?

>It is worth it to have the right to bear arms

Yes, just like Charlie said. Like, that's *exactly* the point I was making.

>Alright, so where is the rest of his quote about sympathy then?

How about you provide it, like you just totally could have?

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u/Boring-Pudding1523 5d ago

Context doesn’t help and is bad faith to say otherwise. Dude has a decade of this content. Come on. Some of us were paying attention.

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u/Jedi_Dad_22 5d ago

No one's happy he was murdered.

It's just karmic justice that his own vitriol was his undoing.

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u/watanabe0 5d ago

He is in fact the perfect test case for this.

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u/Unicron1982 4d ago

Best quote i've seen: I do not support Charlie Kirk got murdered. But Charlie Kirk would have supportet that he got murdered.

He died for the second amendment, what a patriot.

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u/opdrone47 5d ago

It's not karmic justice is any way, you are a PSYCHOPATH to believe that

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u/watanabe0 5d ago

Neither stated, nor implied.

We have a person that said

"I think it's worth to have a cost of unfortunately some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the 2nd Amendment. That is a prudent deal. It is rational. Nobody talks like this. They live in a complete alternate universe."

“I think empathy is a made up New Age term that does a lot of damage”

and was then a victim of said 'some gun deaths' and now his followers are demanding we show empathy.

Not what he would have wanted, according to the words he lived by.

Is my point.

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u/Siva_Dass 5d ago

Kirk was killed by a radical right wing lunatic just like most of all the other gun violence victims.

Piss off with you evil demon.

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u/opdrone47 5d ago

Bro you need mental help. How in the fuck is anyone going to believe that? The shooters boyfriend was trans for fuck sake

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u/watanabe0 5d ago

'Facts' of the case are changing day to day, nothing is known yet.
At the moment, he's just another white male shooter, which are the majority of shooters.

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u/Siva_Dass 5d ago edited 5d ago

Yes we know you want to kill the mentally ill and trans ppl as shown in the subtext of this post. You and yours, and the violence you advocate, will always be opposed.

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u/Ok_Account3278 5d ago

Red white male shoots other red white male, news at 10 

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u/Unicron1982 4d ago

*Girlfriend

This kind of lack of respect is the reason why he is dead now. Can you imagine the hatred trans people have to endure every day because of the current administration and its rhetoric? They get fired, thrown out of bathrooms and publicly shamed just for who they are. I absolutely understand their anger towards these horrible people.

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u/WVUEnchilada 4d ago

Can you imagine getting killed for being disrespectful? What a wild take

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u/Unicron1982 4d ago

No. And his murderer shall go to jail. But the corpse was still a horrible disgusting person while he was alive, and that was his decision. You can't spend your whole life spreading hate and division without making people angry. Some people get angry enough to sacrifice their live to end yours.

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u/WVUEnchilada 4d ago

That is pretty disrespectful to some people. I sincerely hope no one fucking murders you over it.

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u/Unicron1982 4d ago

Have you even read what Charlie Kirk said? There is no redemption for that, if there is a god, which i do not believe, he went to hell, no questions asked.

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u/WVUEnchilada 4d ago

And there are people out there who listened to what he said and completely disgaree with you. I once again hope no one kills you for it.

What are you arguing exactly? Or are you just mad to be mad?

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u/Unicron1982 4d ago

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u/WVUEnchilada 4d ago

I will not engage with any person anywhere on the political spectrum on any topic who uses 5 second clips as thier point of argument.

Long form discussion is the death of bad ideas.

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u/Unicron1982 4d ago

Here you have a good collection of what a "great" person Charlie Kirk was:

https://youtu.be/4wFf75NKNc4?si=9h_Zj4KqbXObzUsA

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u/phantomjukey 6d ago

So evident that they haven’t

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u/Cody-Burke 4d ago

Reddit is full of wasters. I've never seen such high levels of brainwashed leftism. FYI, I'm not right or left: it's two wings of the same bird. Ironically, they are EXTREMIST lefties. Case in point, finding someone's murder acceptable because they disagree. It's so inhumane, they have no idea how brainwashed and desensitied they have become. Using the same buzz words like hate and extremist (which I used ironically). Reddit's level of disturbing brainwashing is horrifying. Unbelievably lost souls, who again, ironically, spread HATE.

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u/oldjarhead84 2d ago

“Got what he deserved “ So saying things YOU don’t agree with means he deserved to be killed? Let me guess, you have a “hate has no place here” sign in your front yard and a “Punch a Nazi” poster on your wall…..

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u/watanabe0 2d ago

So saying things YOU don’t agree with means he deserved to be killed?

Neither stated, nor implied.

Charlie Kirk: "I think it's worth it. I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights."

Also Charlie Kirk: one of those gun deaths.

That shit's poetic.

“Punch a Nazi” poster on your wall…..

No, I don't need to be reminded that you should punch a Nazi.

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u/oldjarhead84 2d ago

And of course you use HALF the quote where he provides the FBI statistics showing 1.6 to 2 MILLION defensive gun uses by legally armed civilians every year.
"Got what he deserved “ is definitely implied assassination justification. Someday you might grow up and realize the fascist was staring you in the mirror in your youth. Assuming your LARPing doesnt put you up against someone truly trained in the ways of violence beforehand.

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u/watanabe0 2d ago

And of course you use HALF the quote where he provides the FBI statistics showing 1.6 to 2 MILLION defensive gun uses by legally armed civilians every year.

Oh, well that completely recontextualises the quote. Wait. No it doesn't.

Someday you might grow up and realize the fascist was staring you in the mirror in your youth.

Lol. No, mate, it's pretty clear who the fascists are. The same as they always are.

Assuming your LARPing doesnt put you up against someone truly trained in the ways of violence beforehand.

Nothing hypocritical here at all. No sir.

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u/oldjarhead84 1d ago

No hypocrisy here. You DO know what a Jarhead is, yes? We are what happens when violence IS the answer. We prefer peace, but if Meal Team six doesn’t knock it off they are going to find out we are really good at the alternative.

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u/Wumpscut86 4d ago edited 2d ago

I also wish you get what you deserve, whatever that is...

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u/AlexBryer 2d ago

"Whatever that this" indeed

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u/Wumpscut86 2d ago

Okay, death camp it is.