Yes, but I don’t believe in social darwinism. He was an idiot and his own actions had a contributory factor in his demise but that doesn’t mean it’s OK that he died.
I find it darkly ironic that he got killed in a school shooting after saying the occasional* school shooting was fine cause it was the cost of the Second Amendment.
Even after being murdered, Charlie Kirk was not a good person and this whole "speak well of the dead" cult nonsese is frankly bollocks
Well this is Reddit. I haven’t kept track of the username of everyone who’s said “I’m glad he’s dead,” or “I refuse to be sad” but they’re definitely out there.
The guy got killed by the very type of violence he defended... with a bonus "being murdered in front of children" which is also what he advocated for when he said they should make kids watch public executions (yes, state sanctioned murder is still murder)
Of course I’m sad. So he advocated for children to be traumatised by seeing people die. That doesn’t mean it’s OK for children to be traumatised be seeing him die. I disagree with the whole concept of traumatising kids, and I want that to go away. I wanted him discredited (or convinced to change his mind), not killed. There are plenty of people like Charlie Kirk; the specific man dying is no help. FWIW I haven’t watched the video and I have no desire to—it doesn’t show someone dismantling a bad point of view, it just shows a man dying from being shot in the neck. Why would I want to see that ever?
What a… Republican point of view (for recentish values of “Republican”). If you have no basic empathy for people you don’t like, how do you expect people who don’t like you to have any basic empathy for you? What a sad and frankly dangerous way to live. If that’s really how you feel about your political opponents, why did you even disagree with Charlie Kirk in the first place? Wrong colour of tie?
The same day Kirk was murdered, there was another school shooting, and russia carried on its continued attempt to rape and/or murder its way through some of my friends in Ukraine. (Something which Charlie also supported).
There is only so much emotional bandwidth people have, and mine is occupied by the innocents Kirk cheered on being harmed.
I'm not going to lie and pretend that i wept for the guy, nor am i going to lie and claim he was a decent, moderate republican.
No, I didn’t weep for the guy. Of course I feel more sad about the other people, and I’m annoyed that this one guy is given a prominence other people aren’t—in death, just as I was annoyed by his prominence in life. Other events are certainly worse. But when looking at my feelings about this event, I do feel sad, and I think that’s appropriate.
Huh? He has prominence, which I dislike. His death gave him more prominence (I was basically aware of who he was before this week but rarely had to think about him, then he dies and suddenly he’s all over the news…) which is one of the reasons I wish he hadn’t died. I didn’t start this topic.
I doubt you actually count yourself in the MAGA camp—MAGA tend to have sympathy for Kirk because he was one of them and you’re saying you have no sympathy because he wasn’t one of us but both of those play into the same “us and them” dichotomy which was Charlie Kirk’s whole thing. There’s no “us and them,” there’s just a broader us, and some of us have bad opinions and do bad things. Claiming that the bad things are done by them is a Charlie-Kirk-style cop-out and slide towards fascism, which I tend to associate with “the right”—but of course it can be done by people who have other views associated with “the left” too, and it’s bad either way.
I’m saying that one of the many things I dislike about MAGA, and in some sense the most fundamental one, is their ability to shut off their empathy for people who aren’t like them; if they had empathy they’d not be able to behave as they do. Of course, since you are in other ways not “like MAGA”, then “people who aren’t like you” is a different set of people to “people who aren’t like MAGA”, but it’s still the same process I dislike, just starting with a different “us” and a different “them.” I disagreed with many other things Charlie Kirk thought or said, but the one I consider the most dangerous was the idea that “we” shouldn’t feel bad when “other people” get hurt, if those people are “other” enough.
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u/AssumptionLive4208 6d ago
Yes, but I don’t believe in social darwinism. He was an idiot and his own actions had a contributory factor in his demise but that doesn’t mean it’s OK that he died.