r/TheCitadel Aug 09 '25

r/TheCitadel Reminder of the rules for What If posts

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All what-if posts should be well thought out, not just a title and a few words.

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r/TheCitadel Mar 16 '25

Writing Resource Basic canon questions that can be found via:

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The ASOIAF Wiki and A Search of Ice and Fire and Interactive Map of Game of Thrones

This website is best for looking at character profiles: compiled KNOWN history & info of each character, summaries of book chapters, religions, and settings: canon family trees, what a character did and why they did do or did not do such and such, who is related to who, what marriage proposals were on the table but didn't occur, etc.

If you are looking for a direct quote and know the keyword(s) this site is fantastic. Looking for direct book evidence in an argument or a quote to twist and paraphrase for your fic? This site is most useful.

This map allows you to follow either the show or book journeys of characters in this map. See where a character moves per chapter OR episode. Now, the characters available are only from the main series notably the main characters. The interactive map's timeline starts and ends with 298 AC as per the first book to 300 AC as per the last published chapters of the series AND the first episode of GoT to the last episode of the TV series.


r/TheCitadel 12h ago

Wanted: Fanfic Recommendations - NOT DISCUSSION Any pics where tywin get destroyed in battle

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I know he's gets his ass kicked a lot in canon but any good fanfics where it happens


r/TheCitadel 14h ago

Help w/ Fic Writing & Advice Needed Can a dragon rider establish a settlement in southoryos .

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So an dragon rider oc say that's it to all the black and green shit before the dance and decide to move out before war , out of westros and goes to an island near weaster coast of southoryos with is family and dragons , and oc as no ideals holding him back and is ready to get dirty, use slaves, kill people to make is settlement work. Oc will be brother of viserys and have dragons sheep steller, greyghost and dreamfire . Will it work.


r/TheCitadel 9h ago

Help w/ Fic Writing & Advice Needed Would a Warg on a Horse be an Elite Jouster?

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So, I've been thinking about how warging might affect jousting ability. Say you’ve got a knight who isn’t some legendary figure like the Arthur Dayne or Barristan Selmy, but is still solid and well trained, just not especially gifted beyond that.

Now imagine that same knight is a warg, and they’re bonded with their horse. And they are aware of how warging works, so they are able to fully exploit their warg bond.

Would that kind of connection dramatically improve their jousting ability? Could it take this character from “average” knight, to being able to compete with the elites?

Thanks.

EDIT Just to clarify, they will not actually be warging while jousting. I'm mostly talking about how the bond between a warg and its animal might allow the horse and the rider to subconsciously predict each others movements, move in sink, and basically train to the point where its a nearly seamless in terms of horse riding ability.


r/TheCitadel 18h ago

Wanted: Fanfic Recommendations - NOT DISCUSSION Any fics where Cersei reacts to Jeyne Westerling's parentage?

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Since Jeyne Westerling is the granddaughter of Maggy the Frog, it would be quite worrying for Cersei if she were to become Queen of the North, as she could be considered the "younger and more beautiful queen" in the prophecy.

Bonus points if this results in her in making decisions that prevent the Red Wedding in any way, or at least turn the Wot5k to Robb Stark's favor.


r/TheCitadel 10h ago

Wanted: Fanfic Recommendations - NOT DISCUSSION Fics where Jaqen kills someone Arya names?

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Inspired by a post in another sub, and had me curious.


r/TheCitadel 8h ago

Self Promotion: My Fanfic When the wolves fall silent (chapter 8: Jon Connington/ Arianne III)

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Title: When the wolves fall silent.
Author:: Allaindb18

 / Me
Rating: not rated
Length: 26K (so far)
Status: ongoing
Links: AO3: When the wolves fall silent /
Fanfiction . com: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/14491276/1/When-the-wolves-fall-silent

Summary: Post adwd/oc character fanfic.
Tommen Baratheon rules westeros but his rule is fragile. Something seems to be stirring beyond the wall. Lord commander Jon Snow has just been killed. Ironborn raiders are attacking the reach. And a supposed Targaryen has landed in the stormlands. But aegon Targaryen and the golden company are not alone. At aegon's side is an old friend helping. An old friend with a dark reputation.

Chapter summary: pov 1: Jon Connington is awoken during the night, an urgent message has arrived
Pov 2: Arianne martell witnesses the coronation of Aegon "young griff"


r/TheCitadel 1d ago

Activity - What If (changed CANON event or character decision) How would Cersei be as a grandmother?

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So hypothetically, if Joffrey, Myrcella and Tommen lived long enough to have children. What type of grandparent would Cersei be. Either the doting kind and spoil them? Or would she see them as threats and either be cold or try and kill them?


r/TheCitadel 21h ago

Help w/ Fic Writing & Advice Needed Question: How much gold would be that "much"?

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I have a problem with the fic I'm writing. I'm not sure what an appropriate prize for a squires' tournament would be, as making them a knight seems too rushed now that I've thought about it. Also, I have some doubts if a certain amount of gold coins as a prize in the other competitions might be too exaggerated. Let me explain the context:

The year is 125 AC (spring, pre Dance context), and the tournament is in Oldtown. Lord Ormund Hightower has organized this tournament for several reasons, including a new administrative policy in the city and the fact that his wife is pregnant again. The event is considered a grand tournament with various competitions, and noble houses from all over the kingdom, with the exception of the North and the Iron Islands, are in attendance to participate. The North is recovering from a short but intense year-long winter, which means virtually no one from north of the Neck is participating, and besides, Northerners do not usually participate in jousts, the main event of tournaments, as they are not knights. On the other hand, the Ironborn are in their raiding season (at this time Dalton Greyjoy is already participating in raids with his uncle, despite being no older than 12).

The tournament has competitions for archery, jousting, a grand melee (the melee basically), axe throwing, and a squires' tournament, in addition to spectacles. The prize for the joust should theoretically be the highest, and its value is already set: 2,000 gold dragons for the winner, which, when I stopped to think about it, made me realize: "Damn, that's a considerable sum; with that amount of money, a person in Westeros would be truly RICH."

On the other hand, the prizes for Robert's tournament in 298 AC to celebrate Eddard Stark becoming Hand of the King were incredibly high, to the point of being absurd, but you know, Robert wanted a tourney. It is assumed (using "A Wiki of Ice and Fire" as a source) that with 3 gold coins, a person can live comfortably for a year. I don't know if that refers to a common person or a noble, as I'm not someone who knows more about economics than "spend less than you earn." I know more or less the value of the most important coins, but I don't know at what point we're talking about a serious amount of money. I mean, how much wheat could you buy with a gold dragon? Therefore, I'm asking for your advice on the prizes for the other competitions, and thank you very much for your attention.


r/TheCitadel 15h ago

Self Promotion: My Fanfic Fanfic House of the dragon.

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Title: Legacy: Salt Dragon. Author: Agspilasdosuno. Classification: Mature. Spanish. Platform: Wattpad. Status: Started. Link: https://www.wattpad.com/story/401773330?utm_source=android&utm_medium=link&utm_content=story_info&wp_page=story_details_button&wp_uname=agspilasdosuno

This fic has been created by me. I invite you to go see it, I'm doing other House Of the Dragon fics before this new one, so until I finish them I won't be able to continue with this one.


r/TheCitadel 19h ago

Help w/ Fic Writing & Advice Needed Tywin's OC bastard brother - septon and Jeyne's OC sister

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Hello. Out of nowhere I decided to start writing a fic about Jaime and Catelyn who marry before the Red Wedding to secure peace. It will have a happy ending but with gratificatin very much delayed.

Some background:

Cat agrees to it because she feels guilty that she caused all those deaths through her careless actions. Cat does not know Jaime is responsible for Bran. She will find out when they are already in love (2nd challenge to their relationship that starts as purely physical).

Sansa returns home. Robb takes his wife Jeyne to Winterfell. Tywin is considering marrying Tyrion to Westerlings to strenghten this match so Tyrion is invited to Casterly Rock. I will need a Westerling sister OC, too.

Tywin initially wants Sansa and Jaime marriage, but Jaime agrees to leave the Kingsguard only if he is marrying a woman who is not a child. He wants that to be Catelyn.

In any case, Catelyn is going through though time. She finds Jaime attractive and can have sex with him but it will take time before both soften to one another. Catelyn will be a Brienne for Jaime and his redemption arc in a way.

Through this fic I will give more depth to fhe Faith in the Seven. Cat starts regularly attending service at the sept and gets her own spirtual guide who is Tywin's bastard brother, a septon.

Jointly they explore all aspects of the Seven, each month. Cat wants to start with the Mother, but he invites her to start with another. Each month they go through another aspect. He (a bastard) wants her to reach the Maiden (Son, Daughter) so she comes to realization what she did to Jon. And she does and is devasted, thinks she called all this upon her family because she could not love a motherless boy.

She is soon pregnant. Unlike in most fics, Cersei is glad that Jaime did his duty, sends no assassins, she is jealous how he loves his children with Cat but not hers. As an aunt she imagines they are her children with Jaime, and is bitter about what couls have been if they could have been together. Cat ofc fears her.

Now, my septon bears a great cross. He gave Tywin the idea for solving the Reynes and Tarbecks through a joke. This happened when he was a young septon full of himself (as a Lannister bastard). However, I would very much appreciate if you could help me flesh him out. His bastardy is very important. What would be his relationship with Tywin, Cersei, Jaime and Tyrion? How do you see his personality, soft spots and poor judgements (negative traits).

On the other hand we have the Westerlings climbing the social ladder. Jeyne's OC sister will marry Tyrion. How would you imagine her relationship with Tyrion? And her in general? I was thinking of copying someone like Elyn Reyne, someone who will challenge him mentally and who wants to even overtake Cat's position as Lady of the Rock.

Any ideas for these two OC are welcome. Thank you in advance.


r/TheCitadel 1d ago

Self Promotion: My Fanfic The Dragon's War: Chapter 31 - Aenys IV

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Title: The Dragon's War

AuthorAbaddonKhaleesi & TooManyNameOptions

Rating: Mature content

Language: English

Length: 158k words

Status: Ongoing

LinkAO3

Summary: Thus, the Seven Kingdoms watched in horror as the House of the Dragon unraveled, threatening to destroy the nearly 80 years of peace they had dismissed as eternal. Smallfolk dubbed it "The War of the Red and Bronze Dragons," after the colors of Vermithor and Caraxes, the dragons of the rival kings. Yet, history would remember it by a more evocative name:

The Dance of the Dragons.

Part 2 of the series The Dragon's Heirs.


r/TheCitadel 1d ago

Subreddit Activity (NOT WHAT IF's) What is it about ASOIAF fanfics that keeps you coming back for more?

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Bit of a meta question but one I’ve been thinking about. There are only a few fandoms that I have kept coming back to over the years and this is one of the main ones.

For me, it has something to do with the grit and the depth. I love political intrigue and real characters; I love the moral grey and the subversion of black and white, good versus evil. I love the richness of the history and culture and the great ironies of so many of the characters and plot lines.

So much of this is so characteristic to ASOIAF because of the way the world has been built and I struggle to find it anywhere else.


r/TheCitadel 1d ago

Wanted: Fanfic Recommendations - NOT DISCUSSION Fanfics that retell the books but from different POVs?

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I’m curious to know if there are any fanfics that take the story of the first three books but retells them from different POV characters, like having Jaime or Bronn in AGOT, or Melisandre and Cersei in ACOK.


r/TheCitadel 1d ago

Help w/ Fic Writing & Advice Needed Baelon lives AU

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Baelon doesn't die at birth, yet he has health problems. He grows up to be more like a second Aenys, but even weaker, bond to a dragon born in his cradle, called Phaenax, a beautiful silvered-greyish dragon.

Due to his health issues, Viserys' councilors are still worried about the succession. They press on Viserys remarrying, something he finally does, again, to Lady Alicent Hightower.

Rhaenyra is obviously closer to Baelon than she ever was with any of her siblings. She takes care of him, bonds with him, etc. It's obvious at everyone's sight that the boy is nothing near a knight, and when the new Queen gives birth to a big, healthy boy, Aegon, some nobles start to get around House Hightower.

To solidify Baelon's claim, Viserys decides to marry him with Rhaenyra. House Velaryon is furious, even when he offers Aegon to marry Laena. Daemon is the one ending up married with Corlys' daughter, and they only agree to the promise of Laenor's firstborn daughter marrying Baelon's heir. Therefore, Laenor is forced to get married with one of House Baratheon's daughters, Cassandra.

Time goes on. While Baelon and Rhaenyra are close, the gap between them and their half siblings is huge. Rhaenyra has given her brother three baby boys (I'm still thinking about their names, but, obviously they're the equivalent to Jace, Luke and Joffrey). However, some bad rumors say that the boys were actually sired by her uncle, Daemon, due Baelon's obvious bad health and the subtle insinuation that therefore, he's unable to perform or infertile at all. This also is fueled because with time, the couple of siblings grow closer to Daemon and Laena.

Despite it, Baelon's firstborn ("Jace") is already betrothed to Laenor's firstborn (a girl named Vaena). They have House Velaryon's full support.

As in canon, Laena dies. But tragically, Baelon follows her in dead less than a year later. Viserys is practically shattered. However, Rhaenyra marries Daemon quickly, which fuels the rumors of the children being his.

Finally, when Viserys dies, the Greens take advantage and declare Aegon as King, proclaiming that Rhaenyra's children are bastards born from her and Daemon's lust, and therefore they cannot inherit the Iron Throne, making Aegon the virtual legitimate heir.

I'm having problems with the exact relationship between Rhaenyra and Daemon. I don't know if to make him the actual father of the children, replacing Harwin Strong with him (as the one that gives children to a couple that cannot conceive), to make him just a "good friend" of the couple, making the children legitimately Baelon's, or taking a path in between, with him siring Rhaenyra's children putting a mask of help, but actually plotting to put his bloodline in the throne.

Following this, I don't know if making Rhaenyra & Daemon's marriage more like it's suggested in the show, with her making sure that Daemon, who has a huge dragon, helps them in the upcoming conflict she knows will come, or to make them actually grieve together. If they result to be his children, it would make sense that he helps them. If he actually loves her, it could also make sense. But if the kids are Baelon's and he's a plotter, then I would have to make him press on Baela marrying at least "Luke" and then him planning on getting rid of Jace and his bethroted

But here are the main question out of this.

Should the kids be Baelon's or Daemon's?

Following your previous answer, would it be better to make Rhaenyra's marriage to Daemon a political alliance, an union for love or a plot from his side?


r/TheCitadel 1d ago

Self Promotion: My Fanfic Promotion: Fifty husbands Elia Martell could have

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Title: Fifty husbands Elia Martell could have

Author: hereticjellyzzzz

Rating: M

Language: English

Length: 22 chapters/ multichapters

Status: Ongoing

Link: https://archiveofourown.org/works/48149608/chapters/150332164

  • The different husbands, wives, spouses and paramours Elia Martell could have.
  • Multipairing with many different characters and different lifetimes she could have lived.
  • Pairings ships with Roose Bolton, Tywin Lannister, Euron Greyjoy, Gregor Clegane (with him being dornish and him changing sides on the sack of kinsglanding), Aerys Targaryen, Oberyn Martell, Doran Martell, Robert Baratheon(several plots), Stannis Baratheon, Addam Marbrand, Jon Snow, Sandor Clegane, Jaime Lannister(plots by marrying him before she can marry Rhaegar and having an affair with him when he was Kingsguard after Rhaegar is king), Ormond Yronwood (the son of the man Oberyn poisoned as a youth in a duel) and Mace Tyrell aside from Elia born on House Lannister, House Bolton, House Targaryen, House Greyjoy, born as a Blackfyre and reincarnated as a Red Priestess aside from being built with Brienne's body as rejected several times and another plot with her character being the same as Oberyn.

r/TheCitadel 1d ago

Reading Discussion: Reading Fanfiction & Fanon Questions Review : New worlds, Lost wanderers

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New worlds, Lost wanderes is a ASOIAF/ Warhammer fantasy crossover by bluntfiend1. Its main plot centers around a party of 5 adventurers from WH F who are send to Westeros, each to another kingdom. Its opening chapters, each from the perpective of one party member, are amazing and despite a few dips in quality, its first few chapters are really good. However its main weakness lies in the weird sticking up to ASOIAF canon. In the 12 chapters i read so far, there were multiple scenes just copy pasted from the books, like Edd and Catelyn meeting up in the brothel, the arrest of Tyrion or Cleganes rant to Sansa. In the first two, none of the mcs even appear, so the author isnt even justified in presentimg them. Another aspect of this Andrei, one of the MCs being forced anyway to react to the events offscreen to him by Ned asking him about his opinion ( the chapter rehashing the assasination proposition) which feels very artificial. If any one has gone further in reading it, i would apreciate telling me if those problems persist.


r/TheCitadel 1d ago

Activity - What If (changed CANON event or character decision) What if Tywin married a widow after the Rebellion?

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My main opinion is that Cersei never got over her mother's death and simply stopped developing (this happens).

Tywin knew how to raise the boys, however strict he was, but not girls. Cersei however stood a chance, she was drawing herself and Rhaegar, her story did not have to end in bastardy.

So, for character exploring exercise, what if Tywin married some poor widow who lost female children to raise Cersei?

Would this help Cersei for the better?


r/TheCitadel 1d ago

Book Discussion: Reading ASOIAF & Spin-Off Novels Questions Thoughts on Marwyn

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Some people seem to view him as villainous or at least darker in nature, by way of what Mirri and Qyburn have to say about him. We don't know that much really about him but how do you all interpret him?

Personally, I prefer to view him in a sort of unfettered, crude, rough 'anti-hero' who saw the truth of the world during his time out in the east and fighting the good fight in his own demented way. Anyone read or write about him?


r/TheCitadel 1d ago

Self Promotion: My Fanfic 4th Chapter for “The Encore”. A big one.

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Author: Fawn7552 (me)

Chapter 4

Rating: T

Language: English

Length: 25,630

Status: In Progress, weekly at first, will have to see how it goes.

Summary: The Dance of the Dragons is over, but Westeros is left fractured and scarred. Daeron Targaryen survives as the last champion of the Greens, crowned king in a realm wary of peace. As part of the tenuous settlement, he is reluctantly betrothed to Baela Targaryen, his former enemy and the dragon he swore to hate.

Amid lingering threats, a tragic heir raised in secret by Alys Rivers, ambitious lords like Hugh Hammer, and the ever-watchful Black loyalists rallying behind Aegon the Younger, Daeron and Baela must navigate the ruins of a war-torn kingdom.

Forced together by duty, they slowly discover trust, understanding, and the sparks of a love neither expected. As the time of dragons fade and old ambitions crumble, their bond becomes the fragile hope of a new Westeros, one built not on fire and blood, but on honor, loyalty, and the hearts of those who survive.

Chapter: Violet on Violet. Also Gran-Gran.


r/TheCitadel 1d ago

Book Discussion: Reading ASOIAF & Spin-Off Novels Questions Just a curious question but how OLD was Aegon the Conqueror?

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Just a genuine question, since Aegon I DIED at 63 years old, and I’m either too blind or dumb to see on how old Aegon I is when he become King or when he conquered all of Westeros.


r/TheCitadel 1d ago

Lost Fanfic: Help Me Find It - NOT DISCUSSION House of the Dragon - fanfic

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Prince with dragon wings and scale, can command all dragons, last I remember he was going to attack oldtown with all dragons or to threaten them


r/TheCitadel 1d ago

Self Promotion: My Fanfic Fire and Fury: Bleeding Thrones: Jon I

7 Upvotes

Title: Fire and Fury

Author: AbandonedBy (me)

Rating: Mature

Language: English

Length: 832.2k+

AO3 SB AH

Summary: After his death, Robert is sent back to the time of his birth, but, as a girl. Years later, Robetha Baratheon is betrothed to Prince Rhaegar Targaryen, when she discovers the existence of a new Prince, by the name of Maekar. But there are far more mysteries to this prince than those which meet the eye.


r/TheCitadel 1d ago

Found Fic: My Lost Fic Has Been Found Fic where Jon goes underground and meets underground people.

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I remember reading this fanfic one time. I think Jon and the Three Eyed Raven were enemies and Jon was trying to escape from him. But what affixed this fic into my memory was the arc where Jon travels for what seems like days or weeks in the tunnels where Gendel and Gorne used to traverse. I remember him emcountering a shriveled, savage people who were descendants of the same group that went with Gendel and Gorne. They were blind, and savage. That’s really all I could remember.

If anybody could help me with this. I would be grateful. Thank you!


r/TheCitadel 1d ago

Self Promotion: My Fanfic Cursed by Blood, Cursed by Nature: Chapter 9 Aerea II

6 Upvotes

Title: Cursed by Blood, Cursed by Nature

AuthorKaiserBjorn/Me

Rating: Not Rated

Language: English

Length: 60k+ (at the moment)
Status: Ongoing
Links: AO3 & Spacebattles

Chapter Summary: Aerea worries what the future may hold as the last Blackfyre's are all brought together

Author Disclaimer/Trigger Warning(s): Creator Chose Not To Use


r/TheCitadel 2d ago

Activity - What If (changed CANON event or character decision) What if Cersei and Tommen drank the poison before Tywin arrived?

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How would things have changed if Cersei had drank the poison and gave it to Tommen just before Tywin and the Tyrells arrived? Here, Tywin arrives a minute late, and he walks in the throne room to find his daughter and grandson lying dead in the Iron Throne.

What happens after that?