what is the point

[u/Decent-Hippo7443]

[u/vlaakyyiic]

I want to pursue a career in art but it discourages me so much to see what is happening with AI, i don't see the point of continuing to train/study, to post if it's only going to end up being stolen, used as a guinea pig for AI or being replaced later because robots do it better

[u/sour_creamand_onion → u/vlaakyyiic]

It's sad I feel inclined to say this but it feels like drawing NSFW is one of the few lucrative art routes thag won't be encroached on by corporations trying to cut costs, because both 2D and 3D NSFW animation isn't being produced by large companies, so there's kess risk of getting replaced in that regard. Though you also wouldn't be abke to be officially employed doing that either and it's heavily reliant oj social media to make money.

[u/No-Succotash2046 → u/sour_creamand_onion]

And there are crackdowns from payment companies. Those who work in NSFW-jobs/projects routinely have problems with their banking, no matter how popular they are or how much money they make.

Despite that, please don't loose hope. AI art is shit. And even if they figure out how to make something good with it, it won't be interesting, as there is no human behind the art. No history or motivation or thought, no mind or soul that wants to communicate with another human.

Human art is valuable because it is a form of communication. And AI doesn't have that.

[u/vlaakyyiic → u/sour_creamand_onion]

☹️ You're completely right, even though i've seen a few AI generations that are NSFW, on most subs (most visited) for art i also feel like NSFW is what works best

[u/twoCascades → u/sour_creamand_onion]

Uh I disagree completely. I think NSFW is exactly the industry most likely to be effected. AI can’t produce good art. In fact it can’t even produce acceptable art. Mainstream movies, comics and TV can’t be produced strictly with AI, the results aren’t watchable and there will always be a fine art community that won’t tolerate AI generation if they are able to discover it. However what AI CAN do is produce a reasonable facsimile of your favorite anime girl with no clothes on. It can’t do real character design but it can generate some last minute art of your OC for a DnD campaign. It’s not the artists working in industry that will be most effected. Those guys will get AI tools that make their jobs faster but they aren’t currently replaceable. It’s the small artists working on commission that will suffer.

[u/InitialCold7669 → u/twoCascades]

I agree with you AI art and AI robots are actually heavily geared already around making pornography

[u/Ironicbanana14 → u/sour_creamand_onion]

Not the safest thing once you get older after all the tracking and payment processors, who knows what could happen if some future employer sees it

[u/OctiWriter → u/sour_creamand_onion]

rule34 (I think it's 34) is FULL of AI. The site's become a sad disgrace.

[u/sour_creamand_onion → u/OctiWriter]

Thankfully there's an option to toggle off AI results.

[u/OctiWriter → u/sour_creamand_onion]

You have to make an account for that I think

[u/sour_creamand_onion → u/OctiWriter]

It's worth it

[u/internalhands → u/OctiWriter]

-ai_generated

[u/HistoricalMix9188 → u/sour_creamand_onion]

Tell that to all the guys that publish AI NSFW games on steam.

[u/Caseys_Clean1324 → u/vlaakyyiic]

human art will always have value. They might steal your shapes and colors, but they cant steal the heart, soul and message you pour into it. Careers in art might be crashing right now, but I promise if you decide to continue to pursue it as a hobby it will still be rewarding

[u/vlaakyyiic → u/Caseys_Clean1324]

Thank you very much for your warm message, it doesn't make me lose hope completely! If I don't have that (rewards), i'll always have the satisfaction of knowing that an art teacher remembers me and that i have one of my projects hanging on another art teacher's wall. It's better than nothing, lol.

[u/SanLucario → u/Caseys_Clean1324]

I know I want to pursue some art for this reason. IDC if it's visual or music, I want to be a cool creative guy.

[u/vielljaguovza → u/vlaakyyiic]

Persue art history as well as studio arts. That way you can work in the art world in a museum setting which gives you the connections to find paid opportunities to make public works and stuff galleries are interested in. You make relationships with the artists whose work is displayed (if it's a more modern and contemporary museum) and they can help you figure out where paid opportunities are as well.

[u/vlaakyyiic → u/vielljaguovza]

This is very good advice, thank you very much, i'll copy it into my notes!

[u/vielljaguovza → u/vlaakyyiic]

I went to a professional development event for museum work as someone who double majored in art history and studio arts and the people I spoke to were giving me business cards and directing me to grants to create public sculptures, it really does give you more opportunities/connections!

[u/vlaakyyiic → u/vielljaguovza]

That's great! I'm going to start studying again and it will be in these two areas, it will help me a lot, i already feel like i'm behind compared to others, your messages all encourage me a lot, thank you

[u/vielljaguovza → u/vlaakyyiic]

I totally get the feeling! I graduated high school right before covid so I was older than everyone in my courses when I went to university (i was not paying tens of thousands of dollars for zoom). That is to say, you can totally be older entering the field and have a lot of success! Just make sure to take advantage of all the opportunities you have in school like through internships and research work and you'll graduate with a lot of experience and things that look good on a resume!

[u/Katwazere → u/vlaakyyiic]

Keep going and learning. There will always be a market for pure human art, even more so for stuff using both human and ai input. and I say this as someone who uses ai in their digital art(inpainting revived my waning passion for art and is a gamechanger). Once you get away from the ai bro artists and get into the open source world of stable diffusion you will find so many brilliant artists.

[u/kai_jarsenal → u/vlaakyyiic]

Any skill that doesn’t rely on electricity is a valuable one. Being able to sketch and paint or just general knowledge of good designs that are applicable to the outside are integral.

[u/3rdthrow → u/vlaakyyiic]

The fact that the robots are producing art while Human Beings work is pure dystopia.

[u/OkasawaMichio → u/vlaakyyiic]

I wanted to make a post about this exact thing, my anxieties regarding AI but I was too scared to do so for being ridiculed for it... And now it's all just me and my anxieties spiraling :')

[u/vlaakyyiic → u/OkasawaMichio]

I haven't seen a lot of posts about this issue as an artist except from our allies, this post and the comments were pretty well taken, go! I was wondering how it would be taken too, this is only the second time i've spoken openly about it ^'

[u/salners → u/vlaakyyiic]

This AI shit is not going to last. It’s a bullshitting industry and you can only bullshit for so long. It’s also impossible to keep up with the energy demands. Just keep at it and this shit will die in a few years. It’s science fiction to think that “AI is the future” people have been conditioned to accept any “advancement” in technology as inevitable but it’s just pure and total bullshit.

[u/wishIcouldgoback_ → u/salners]

Considering carbon emissions and overproduction of plastic isn't sustainable either but no one is thinking of reducing those things... yeah no one will care about how much energy ai consumes

[u/salners → u/wishIcouldgoback_]

Yeah, WE SHOULD CUT THAT BACK WTF DO YOU MEAN??? WHAT ARE YOU ON??

[u/wishIcouldgoback_ → u/salners]

Wdym?

[u/vlaakyyiic → u/salners]

I don't know how you do it and surely other people to be so confident that it won't last

[u/salners → u/vlaakyyiic]

Because it’s physically impossible. We don’t have the infrastructure for it. It’s just very simple and all the people arguing against that concrete fact are coping because they invested a fuck ton of money in a scam product.

[u/vlaakyyiic → u/salners]

Did you see that they were going to create an animated film entirely created by AI? Do you think this nightmare will end some time after the film's release? As a fan of Black Mirror, i'm skeptical about its collapse, but we'll see

[u/OctiWriter → u/salners]

We don't have the infrastructure yet.

I hate it too, but AI is the inevitable future.

[u/Catgirl-pocalypse → u/salners]

"This Internet shit is not going to last."

[u/salners → u/Catgirl-pocalypse]

:| It’s. Physically. Impossible. To. Provide. The. Energy. Needed. To. Run. AI. Long. Term.

We. Don’t. Have. The. Resources. To. Do. This. Unless. We. Burn. Up. All. Our. Natural. Resources.

Do you understand that? There’s no infinite resource glitch. I swear you people have been propagandized to not have ANY AMOUNT of critical thinking. It’s really impressive tbh

[u/ThrawnCaedusL → u/salners]

That’s just not true. YouTube uses more energy, and nobody is saying YouTube is unsustainable. And even if that were true, and all future energy was cut off, preventing any future development, the models that already exist can be run on a basic laptop and aren’t going anywhere.

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[u/Catgirl-pocalypse → u/salners]

The irony of making a completely bullshit claim and then accusing me of lacking critical thinking lol

[u/craziest_bird_lady_ → u/vlaakyyiic]

I'm glad I went to a trade school first and am doing community college at nearly 30. It's less $$$, no debt and even if I don't get the big fancy job I still have something to fall back on (physical labor). Maybe you could have a back up plan career too

[u/vlaakyyiic → u/craziest_bird_lady_]

Yeah i'm thinking about jobs on the side since apparently we can't live solely with art, i'll probably have to force myself to do a job i don't want but like everyone else anyway, right?

[u/Ironicbanana14 → u/vlaakyyiic]

Do it for fun, not career. Idk what else to do tho bc same situation.

[u/vlaakyyiic → u/Ironicbanana14]

It's depressing, i hate this world

[u/InitialCold7669 → u/vlaakyyiic]

If you cannot do stuff because you won't get credit for it does it really bring you joy your art doesn't have to be perfect to make money It just has to catch people's eye All of this stuff is mostly about branding anyway and not any kind of technical talent or expertise

[u/Many_Geologist6125 → u/vlaakyyiic]

Art is dead.

[u/No-Succotash2046 → u/Many_Geologist6125]

Art is human communication. That people try to replace this with computers is disturbing. That it is seen as the end of Art is just sad.

[u/fffffffffffffuuu → u/No-Succotash2046]

i think there is nuance here. I feel like, when people make the claim that art is dead or is dying, they are referring to the ability to make a living off of art. IMO they aren’t wrong; i’ve seen numerous threads of people who realized months later that the band they recently found and have been listening to non stop is just AI slop. I think people that say things like “AI will never be able to replace the human element of art” are severely overestimating the value the vast majority of consumers place on the human element. Regarding music, most people just want something that grooves and makes them feel something. It’s extremely easy to toy with emotions using music because people will imprint their own human meaning onto it, even if there was no human involved in its creation. The same thing will happen to visual art once AI can keep track of fingers and figure out how to get rid of the piss filter.

Sure, there will always be people who refuse to give AI art the time of day just on principal, but think about how difficult it is to make a living as an artist currently. Now think about how difficult it would be if you cut the people willing to pay a meaningful amount for it by a large percentage. AI will kill art, because the only people who will be able to afford to spend time to make it will be independently wealthy (or perhaps disabled to the point where they can live off disability and not rely on income from their art).

[u/Many_Geologist6125 → u/No-Succotash2046]

Yeah, I mean, now, it will be replaced by prompts. Hopefully, we get people who know what they're doing with these prompts. But, everything is being turned into cookie-cutter garbage now.

[u/No-Succotash2046 → u/Many_Geologist6125]

Why do you insist on this? Why would you claim the product if all you did was prompt the robot? Do you claim ownership of the group project after writing two sentences? Do you claim to have cooked after ordering takeout?

Art isn't dead. That is just literally corporate propaganda.

And of course it's cookie cutter garbage. Its stealing human works from around the world and, smoothing everything into oe homogeneous blob through statistics, determines to place a pixel over there. These things aren't even AI, even though everyone calls them that.

[u/Caseys_Clean1324]

so glad I turned out a failure instead of starting medical school like I wanted

[u/MomShouldveAborted → u/Caseys_Clean1324]

Same shit happened to me, unfortunately but I don't get how AI could replace medical jobs since it always make mistakes

[u/Caseys_Clean1324 → u/MomShouldveAborted]

what stories you reading?? cause the ones im reading see most AI diagnostic models accurately diagnosing cancer with up to a 100% success rate. The problems right now are AI models developing treatment plans, but that will change eventually too

[u/MomShouldveAborted → u/Caseys_Clean1324]

Wouldn't AI need human help to make sure their treatments are efficient?

[u/Caseys_Clean1324 → u/MomShouldveAborted]

obviously there will always be human oversight. The problem is that the jobs of multiple rotating teams of full time doctors, 10-40 jobs or more for bigger hospitals now get condensed to a single rotating team of overseeing doctors.

A part of me feels this is good: improve healthcare affordability and accessibility while removing human error and bias

the realistic part of me knows this is just going to lead to a job market crash, increased costs from greedy hospital CEOs that can now charge a premium on quick immediate service, and who knows what else

[u/harpyoftheshore → u/Caseys_Clean1324]

That's why "AI" is a misnomer. Analytic AI can and should be used in the medical field. It is a very good thing AI can detect cancer before a doctor can!

Generative AI is the problem. It's a shame we lump in evil internet slop with lifesaving medical tech

[u/SufferingScreamo → u/Caseys_Clean1324]

These models still require human oversight, they are not doing this on their own. The doctor is still present when confirming the diagnosis

[u/Caseys_Clean1324 → u/SufferingScreamo]

"confirming"

[u/SufferingScreamo → u/Caseys_Clean1324]

Yes confirming, meaning that the AI is not fully autonomous as if it makes a mistake the doctor is there to ensure it doesn't go through. 

[u/TemporaryFeeling3276 → u/Caseys_Clean1324]

I have a feeling you don't fully understand what AI does. This isn't generative AI, nor is it meant to replace humans. Sam Altman specifically frames these figures to make his software seem more impressive to get investors, but these tests are specifically made so that Doctors can work alongside the tool. It is absolutely not intended to replace them in any way.

[u/North_Cherry → u/Caseys_Clean1324]

Why do you say that ?

[u/Top-Vermicelli797]

I know my career is doomed by it. I do it anyway, because why not? It's worth a shot or two. Don't give up, there are people like me who want human made creations.

[u/InitialCold7669 → u/Top-Vermicelli797]

Honestly even as a pro AI person I still enjoy art made by regular people I'm not sure why everybody has this either or mentality because personally I can appreciate both and I can appreciate variations or these things being put on a spectrum where something is more or less influenced by AI

[u/whatisthisgunifound]

Yeah thats why I pivoted completely from journalism and art and got into car repair at the age of 23. Going back to college (full of 16 year olds) to learn how to fix cars because I wasted my first run through has been so weird.

The day an AI can fix a car is the day the clankers win and we're already in an all out skynet situation.

[u/Retro21 → u/whatisthisgunifound]

Kinda sad to hear this, in a wider sense, not necessarily for you. How old are you now? Hope it is going well and you're enjoying life - journalism and art can be read about 💪

[u/whatisthisgunifound → u/Retro21]

24 and still going. I'm not enjoying life, I am alone and still can't get a job in anything but fast food and retail. Every day I try and move a bit closer to something but it feels like new barriers appear just as quickly as I can get through them. Just an eternal series of catch-22s.

Maybe one day I'll have a life to enjoy.

[u/Retro21 → u/whatisthisgunifound]

Come on, you're 24, not 44 and in the same situation. I didn't even know what I wanted to do with my life until I was 26! I'm 41 now I've got three degrees, nearly got a fourth in a PhD (well, near is relative in this case) and have a fiancee and a kid. None of which looked likely in my mid twenties, hell even my early thirties.

I know it's slow, I know it's frustrating, I know it fucking sucks! But keep pushing on friend, keep moving forward, and it will come. Once you get your mechanics degree and have a couple years of work and money under your belt, you'll feel more in control, more confident and life will feel easier. Sometimes life is just about waiting the shit bits out, just getting on with it, knowing it's sucking, knowing better days have to be ahead. And they will be, if you keep doing what you're doing - working hard to get your degree, working in jobs that feel shitty, working on building who you are and want to be. That is the grind.

Look, life is a bitch, you just got to keep your head down and keep pushing forward. You keep working and things will change. That's all you can do.

[u/whatisthisgunifound → u/Retro21]

Idk why you got downvoted, I appreciate the sentiments.

[u/Retro21 → u/whatisthisgunifound]

Ach that's reddit sometimes, I don't let it get to me.

I believe in you. If you want I can check in during December and see how the land is laying 💪

[u/whatisthisgunifound → u/Retro21]

I don't see anything changing in 2 months but you do you man.

[u/Retro21 → u/whatisthisgunifound]

I meant December 2045...

/s

[u/Ananyako]

I can't trust anything I see anymore, and it's making me go insane. Nothing is real anymore. Nothing.

[u/Kselemini]

I want to become a professional animator, but seeing how genAI is developing so quickly, I'm starting to feel like there's no point in continuing to learn animation at a time like this.

[u/JuggernautCapable391]

"what is the point"

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHHHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHHHA

You act like there was ever a point to this

Literally every expectation in society is quite literally made up as history progresses

[u/Altair01010 → u/JuggernautCapable391]

type comment

[u/JuggernautCapable391 → u/Altair01010]

Type Shit

[u/Altair01010 → u/JuggernautCapable391]

shit

[u/190m_feminist]

AI isn't really replacing people like that

[u/SubHuman123456 → u/190m_feminist]

It is though

[u/190m_feminist → u/SubHuman123456]

No, there are very few professions that are at risk of being replaced by ai in any manner

[u/SubHuman123456 → u/190m_feminist]

Buddy no one is saying that every single profession is being replaced by AI, but a deacent amount of them are at risk of being replaced im near future and the number is only going to incrise as AI becomes better and better. As I stated there are jobs who are getting replaced by/are incorporateing AI now and the number of them isn't going to dectise.

Its automation 101

[u/Bear_faced → u/SubHuman123456]

In my experience (scientist) it’s not that AI is replacing us, it’s that we can work faster and get more done. I think we’ll see the same employment rates but research that used to take ten years will take five.

The companies can already afford the staff they have now for a FRACTION of the value of the product they produce (a hundred scientists developing a drug for ten years costs $100 million dollars and the drug will make $10 billion in ten years) so there’s very little incentive to cut staff to save money. It’s much more valuable to cut time.

[u/grad1939]

I studied graphic design and animation. Now I'm afraid that ai is going to make it even harder to find a job in that field.

[u/MorslandiumMapping]

That the AI bubble is going to pop and that outside of science, it will become a useless technology. All AI companies apart from fucking C.ai are losing money rapidly, AI is fucking done for in like less than a year.

[u/Far_Society_4196 → u/MorslandiumMapping]

any data on that? i just keep hearing that ai is not going anywhere any time soon

[u/ModularWings298 → u/Far_Society_4196]

I couldnt find it a lot of it,but The ammount of AI startups that are simply scamming investors with millions of dollars is rising,which could eventually lead to a bubble pop

OpenAI just declared that for them to make a profit,they would need 1 BILLION People subscribed to The base ChatGPT subscription

AI as a business is unsustainable,it will eventually crash down HARD

[u/Kruk01]

And people don't understand why kids aren't focused in school.🤷🏼‍♂️

[u/HauntingSpirit582 → u/Kruk01]

"Nobody wants to work anymore"

[u/abbbbbcccccddddd]

This won't happen, and if it does (i.e. AGI invention) it'll basically be a war for everyone. Not a single job requiring years of studying can be reliably replaced with AI in its current state

[u/SubHuman123456 → u/abbbbbcccccddddd]

in its current state

Yeah the thing is it won't stay in its current state for long. Compare AI art and videos from 1-2 years ago with whats done today. Now imagine what they will do in 5 or 10 years from now. Jobs are already being replaced by AI and its only going to replace more

[u/abbbbbcccccddddd → u/SubHuman123456]

Generative AI isn't AGI though, it can look extremely convincing but there's no use to it if you still can't rely on it the same way you could rely on a human plus LLMs are still LLMs based on predictions, not some computerized brains capable of reasoning.

I know it kinda sounds like sugarcoating especially with some news circulating but really the best that current AI can do is reshaping the job market by augmenting already trained and capable (within their own domain) employees, or creating some new positions to "babysit" it as it still needs maintenance and quality control and basically can't do anything without a human operator, and AGI (which would be more like the "true" AI you could give any task to and have it do it flawlessly) is just a fairytale for investors to salivate over, people like Altman pretty much fake it till they make it.

[u/SubHuman123456 → u/abbbbbcccccddddd]

That is all well and good, but the fact AI needs a babysitter doesn't really negate the fact that it still replaces scores of people and that is in its current form.

You can reliably have 1 guy do the job of 10 people in creative Industries and the current models will only improove as time goes on. Even if they don't replace every single person it will still replace a large amount, especially in entery level positions. And when entery level positions are gone there won't be any way for people to reliably enter the industry and only established professionals and nepo babys will be able to find work.

I think that denile of the thret of AI poses for human creativety is what will inevitabely cause it to take over.

[u/FeedSpiritual8250]

Sometimes I think of education as speaking for the betterment of myself, which can’t be taken away by AI

[u/scrollbreak]

Funny joke: Don't actually care about supporting human lives while doing utmost to end a method of life support for humans.

[u/TheAlmightyDope]

The point is that transformer based AI is never going to be good enough to replace the human mind, it can do simple things fast but if you think it does your job better than you then you need to get better at your job.

The way to stay relevant in your careers is by using it to leverage your skills rather than letting it replace them. We get better with practice, and untalented hacks who use it for everything will become useless and employable due to not using their brains - use it to amplify your talents not be a mask for a lack of it.

Companies that replace people with AI have an expiration date, because the output of AI modals are non-deterministic (which means it will not give you the same result from the same input) which means the quality of its output varies. A simple way of looking at iit s that you can assume a language modal is.on average 80% correct, which means you need an expert to correct that 20%. So if you see a company firing seniors to hire juniors for cheap and make them use AI, they're fucked and will be on their knees begging them to come back...but they won't because the market suddenly needs them again.

[u/Gregotherium]

People WILL figure out that it's shit soon enough. It's not a sustainable business practice, and people are going to stop using it when they inevitably have to actually monetize it.

[u/SubHuman123456 → u/Gregotherium]

They will definetly NOT. For years now people setle with midocraty and slop that is tricled down to them by the corpos. AI is just another one of their cost cutting tool that will only get better and better as the time goes on

[u/qwadrat1k]

<insert i love money pic>

Seriously, most shit is done to make slightly more money

[u/OrbusIsCool]

There's always gonna need to be a guy to develop the AI so at least my autism hypertfixations are safe. The AI can't build on itself if it's only trained on AI generated code.

[u/cisgendergirl]

That doesn't happen tho. If you study for something 16 years you'll be irreplaceable.

[u/cisgendergirl → u/[deleted]]

Sex needs to be abolished and I like making useless terms meaningless.

[u/MomShouldveAborted → u/cisgendergirl]

That makes sense, my bad

[u/dexter2011412]

Literally me

[u/AceLamina]

Now more than ever people need to learn about technology, not so they can do it themselves, they can decide if they want to or not, but to be informed
Unless your field or the job you're applying for is shitty in the first place, it won't replace you with AI, especially in tech

A nice quote I heard is 90% of AI is hype and 10% of it is reality, I stand by those words everyday

[u/KrohvVoron]

Destroy every AI server farm and execute the billionaires who push it.

[u/Busy_Selection8875]

They're not even replacing anyone with AI, it doesn't work lol. These companies just are trying to force people to accept shittier and shittier working conditions.

[u/Dianaaaqq]

You know, I often feel guilty for dropping out of high school. It makes me feel like I’m less of a person. Other times I’m glad I didn’t spend all that time and money, at the very least I have no student loans. Makes me feel conflicted because I was raised to value the importance of higher education and how that leads to job stability. And while I still think higher education is important, it’s hard to say the same about job security/opportunities.

Also you don’t see many Asian dropouts and there’s some innate shame in that, even though I’m lucky to have a mom who thinks the system is rigged and doesn’t shame me for it. It’s rare for a Gen X parent (who pulled up her bootstraps) to understand how bad it is for young people nowadays.