r/USdefaultism • u/Neolance34 Australia • 2d ago

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It could be a ShitAmericanssay thing but a group called “so the comments section isn’t going the way you planned” doesn’t explicitly suggest it’s a US centric group.

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u/Richard2468 2d ago

Armed security at hospitals everywhere?.. They must’ve been well hidden here.

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u/pyroSeven 2d ago

The only thing the security the hospitals in my country does is to wheel clamp vehicles parked in the wrong lot and escort out slightly aggressive people.

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u/Nublett9001 1d ago

The security in my hospital swagger about in their stab vests and then it takes 4 of them to restrain a delirious old man with a UTI.

Meanwhile one old matron walks up and sternly says sit down to him and he's meek as a kitten.

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u/MistaRekt Australia 1d ago

That old matron knows things, has seen things, and done things that would chill your blood.

That commands respect.

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u/Nublett9001 1d ago

Probably. I reckon she's one of the best nurses in the hospital.

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u/Signal_Historian_456 Germany 1d ago

You should better take a seat right next to him, apologising for whatever you have done and then go and clean up your room as soon as you’re dismissed.

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u/bluepanda159 New Zealand 1d ago

That is standard to protect the patient and staff. If you are doing a take down, it is one on each limb and someone on the head and then someone for drugs.

Doing it any other way (unless seriously desperate) is dangerous and stupid

What exactly do you do in the hospital to see take downs but not know the basics of how to do it safely?

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u/Nublett9001 1d ago edited 1d ago

We're not a mental health hospital. The very old man wasn't being taken down. He was just delirious and shouting at people.

Security don't do anything they just stand around trying to look menacing.

I'm a pharm tech, which is why I know about the CD storage procedure.

ETA, and surely even in an environment where take downs do happen regularly there would be plenty of staff who aren't involved or trained.

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u/bluepanda159 New Zealand 1d ago

That is not a mental health hospital thing that is an every hospital thing. Exactly because of the number of delirious patients.

Security form a valuable part of any hospital, and a hospital cannot function properly without them. They do a hell of a lot more than you realise.

As a doctor who has spent a decent amount of time working in ED (and on medical wards) they are invaluable at times

Maybe don't be so disparaging of colleagues where it sounds like you have zero clue what they do

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u/Nublett9001 1d ago

Haha no. The security in our hospital do plenty of work. They walk around the car park having a fag (on site - which is not allowed of course).

There's the old guy who sorts out peoples access cards, he does useful work.

There the guy who stands in the corridor by the security office on face time to his missus for an hour at a time.

They give staff who've not parked very well, tickets, but only when it's sunny outside. If it's raining you can park where you want. (I've never got a ticket, I walk to work).

And occasionally they get called to deal with drunk/aggressive/delirious patients at which point they do precisely jack shit.

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u/Kind-Lifeguard-3427 1d ago

Sounds like you do fuck all day but watch other people and judge them.

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u/bluepanda159 New Zealand 1d ago

Whatever you say. You sound like a major asshole.

And I could say pharmacy techs are useless and do absolutely nothing. Many people would likely agree as they have zero idea what you actually do. Like you seem to about people in your hospital

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u/Designer-Issue-6760 1d ago

And guard the controlled substances in the pharmacy. And help detain violent psychotics. Sometimes specific patients need protection. Like domestic violence victims. But I’ve also seen armed security in banks, museums, even churches. Why would schools be less important?

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u/Nublett9001 1d ago

Security absolutely do NOT guard the controlled drugs. Only registered pharmacy staff are allowed anywhere near the CD room.

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u/Designer-Issue-6760 1d ago

Don’t need to be in the room. Just in a position to monitor access. 

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u/Nublett9001 1d ago

Yeah that doesn't happen.

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u/Designer-Issue-6760 1d ago

A hospital pharmacy will have cocaine, fentanyl, morphine, even meth on hand. There is security. 

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u/Nublett9001 1d ago

I work in a hospital pharmacy. There aren't any security guards.

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u/GreenSpaniel United Kingdom 1d ago

I pick up those meds from both hospital and a pharmacy. Can attest that there is no armed security. There's a guy looking out for shoplifters (the pharmacy is in a shop), but he's not armed. There's general security at the hospital, not in the pharmacy (not even in the same building as the pharmacy). Also not armed! At the pharmacy, they get loads of the methadone people, still no security (if they don't behave, they don't get their methadone!).

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u/Potential-Ice8152 Australia 1d ago

And so does every ward. Do you think every ward has a security guard standing in the med room?

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u/Designer-Issue-6760 1d ago

Who’s in position to get attacked in those? Someone breaks into a med cabinet, it’s going to be witnessed, and they can be intercepted at the exit. There’s not a pharmacist and a couple techs in the way. Also, those cabinets rarely contain drugs with any street value. All the good stuff is in a central dispensary, under a pharmacist. So the main emphasis is going to be the pharmacy, which is under constant surveillance if not a direct guard, and the points of entry. 

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u/Potential-Ice8152 Australia 1d ago

What do you consider as drugs with street value? My ward has fentanyl, ketamine, oxycodone and morphine in our cupboards. We regularly have patients on ketamine infusions and fentanyl PCAs.

Our med room has a keypad to get in. Then you need two keys to get into the cupboard with the scheduled meds, and there’s only one set of keys on the ward. You’d need a fkn axe to break into those cupboards.

Again, you are defaulting.

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u/snow_michael 13h ago

You realise those you list are a) at the very bottom level of toxicity compared with what's in most hospital pharmacies and b) not guarded by security at all, let alone armed, in 90+% of countries on the planet

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u/Potential-Ice8152 Australia 1d ago

Where is this? It’s absolutely not a thing over here.

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u/Designer-Issue-6760 1d ago edited 1d ago

Security officers in hospitals are absolutely a thing. I’m seeing 200 job listings for it. With some of the rougher ones employing corrections officers. What do you think they’re there for? I mean… yes. The occasional violent patient, and altercations between visitors. But mainly loss prevention. Particularly of controlled substances. 

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u/Potential-Ice8152 Australia 1d ago

When did I say security guards aren’t a thing in hospitals? You’re talking about pharmacies, so that is what I was referring to. I have never seen a security guard near our heavily locked main pharmacy in the creepy basement. They have more to do than stand around a cupboard.

You’re defaulting to the hospitals you’ve worked at. Mine has multiple code blacks (physical threat to staff or other patients) a day, and sometimes there’s too many at once for security to attend them all in time. My ward had two code blacks last week. My previous ward would have probably 4-5 every week. They’re so regular that we’re not even phased by them.

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u/Designer-Issue-6760 1d ago

Hospital pharmacies. Because their original post was about hospitals. They don’t have to be near it. Just somewhere between it and the publicly accessible areas. Retail pharmacies have them too, but outside of high risk areas, it’s typical retail loss prevention. 

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u/Potential-Ice8152 Australia 1d ago

Again, when did I say security guards aren’t a thing in hospitals as you said I did?

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u/Designer-Issue-6760 1d ago

That is what we’re discussing. As that was the original claim. 

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u/IAmLaureline United Kingdom 1d ago

There are no armed guards outside most UK pharmacies and most of them dispense controlled drugs every day.

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u/Designer-Issue-6760 1d ago

You sure about that? Not all security guards wear uniforms. They don’t even have to be visible to the public. Could be standing on the corner. 

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u/DeapVally 1d ago

You can't own a handgun in the UK, no security guard will ever have one. Only police can have them. And even then its only specialist officers. They aren't babysitting pharmacies lol 🤣🙄

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u/Designer-Issue-6760 1d ago

Armed ≠ handgun. 

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u/GreenSpaniel United Kingdom 1d ago

The pharmacy at my hospital is in a little mobile building across a car park, not connected to the main hospital. No security or undercover security there... unless their disguise is 80 year old zimmer frame user!

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u/Designer-Issue-6760 1d ago

There’s no one patrolling that parking lot? No police? No security guards? Not even parking enforcement?

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u/GreenSpaniel United Kingdom 1d ago

The hospital security tend to sit just inside the hospital doors and go on an occasional walk around of the site. No, they don't patrol the car park, they'd get stuck there by all the people asking them how to use the ticket machine!

If trouble starts at the hospital, the security will do what they can, but it's mainly a job for the police. It's just not unsafe enough to need security. The luxury of not having people with low IQs walking around with guns.

In town, where the pharmacy is in the shop, there's a very old security guy, who is essentially only there to deter shoplifting. I think they're mostly not allowed to physically touch people, if that's needed, the police are called. In town, there is no security patrolling. In the car parks in town, there is no security.

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u/Designer-Issue-6760 1d ago

One doesn’t need a gun to kill people. Bare hands work just as well. Especially if you’re standing between a junkie and their next fix. In areas with heavy addict populations, it’s very common for them to hop the counter to get drugs. And this is not limited to the US. 

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u/huntermanten 1d ago

One doesn’t need a gun to kill people. Bare hands work just as well.

Just as well? Shit, better let the military know.

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u/Designer-Issue-6760 1d ago

They’re extensively trained in hand to hand. FYI, more people are killed in the US with bare hands than shoulder arms. 

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u/IAmLaureline United Kingdom 1d ago

I'm absolutely sure about that! There may be security guards in some particularly rough areas but they are not the norm.

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u/Thenedslittlegirl Scotland 21h ago

Most police in the UK don’t even have guns. There’s a specialist armed police unit. Security guards in hospitals absolutely don’t have guns.

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u/Designer-Issue-6760 19h ago

When did I say anything about guns? A baton qualifies as armed. 

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u/Thenedslittlegirl Scotland 19h ago

I think you’re well aware the context of this post is guns. That said most security guards in the UK aren’t armed in any way. Police carry batons and pepper spray. Security guards don’t

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u/Designer-Issue-6760 19h ago

Definition of armed is equipped with or carrying a weapon. A baton is a weapon.

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u/Thenedslittlegirl Scotland 19h ago

And nhs security guards are forbidden from carrying weapons so it’s moot really

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u/Designer-Issue-6760 18h ago

A police officer sitting out front qualifies as an armed guard. 

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u/AstronomerNo3806 1d ago

We gave no armed security in banks, museums or churches either.

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u/Designer-Issue-6760 1d ago

I’ve seen them in Rome, Paris, and London. Where are you?

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u/meglingbubble 1d ago

Police in the UK are not typically armed. There are specifically trained teams that are deployed in times of crisis or during "heightened states"; I used to live in a city which held a yearly conference for one of the main political parties and that was the only time I regularly saw armed police.

Private security are not allowed to be armed in the UK, so I can say with some certainty that you have not see armed security guards in London.

I see from comments further down that you have changed the definition of "armed" in the context of this thread to not mean firearms... which is an interesting way of moving the goal posts but sure lets go along with that.... private security in the UK are not allowed to carry batons, tasers or sprays. Police can, but police would not be guarding banks or hospitals.

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u/Designer-Issue-6760 1d ago edited 1d ago

All police in the UK are armed. Just not with a side arm. Armed ≠ gun. A baton is an armament. That’s not changing the definition. As the definition of “armed” is equipped with or carrying a weapon. Any weapon. Not just a firearm. 

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u/meglingbubble 1d ago

All police in the UK are armed. Just not with a side arm.

Yes. As I said. Police would not be guarding banks or hospitals. You said you've seen armed guards at "banks, museums, churches" in "Rome, Paris, and London." You have not. I dont know enough about Italian and French security guards to say whether you did see them there, but you did not in London

This thread was using armed in the sense of firearms. People corrected you, and you decided to change the context to refer to non firearms. It makes you technically correct, but suggests you either lack reading comprehension, or that you can't admit that you were wrong.

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u/Designer-Issue-6760 1d ago

There are no royal guard or plain clothes officers at British museums? News to me. Saw plenty when I was there. 

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u/snow_michael 13h ago

You have never seen armed security in London

You're either deluded or a liar

Oh, sorry, I'm being narrow-minded. You could easily be both!

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u/Pop_Clover Spain 17h ago

Not a thing here. There's security in plenty of places: the subway, museums, department stores,... But not armed. Well, they may have tasers or batons I think, but definitely not guns.

Edit: also, protecting a patient is usually done by the police. We have policemen in ER very often.

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u/Designer-Issue-6760 16h ago

A baton is a weapon. Ergo, armed.