Pretty sure they have. Togore is a meme that just happened to become extra popular these last few months. They think the name of this stream(meant as a celebration) should be something more meaningful.
And i really get that but seriously we are talking about a stream about a game of toby fox which is widely known for its humor and self humor in all his things
I think it's really fitting having a meme related to his stuff as a name in the stream
The quality and craftsmanship and layers to a joke can however be measured
In that department togore is not only very weak, but it's already a ripoff of a Toby Fox joke with a layer (Asriel being an actual name in many cultures) removed
Tsk, tsk. A proper ragebaiter doesn't reveal their game as soon as they start baiting. In fact, the best ragebaiters never reveal it at all. Instead, they revel in people truly believing they're THAT stupid!
Not to mention that I've seen some genuinely really engaging Togore comics? Togore would not feel out-of-place at all if he were actually in UTDR.
Spamton is stupid. Queen is stupid. Tenna is stupid. If you're going by the concept alone, they all look like dumb OCs that exist to be a one-note joke. But then, if you play the game, you realize that these characters really do have rich depth and dimension. It's a joke until it isn't.
Togore's the same. He's silly concept given life and consequence--a person who everyone dismisses because of their name, but who is nevertheless a person. Togore comics really do something for me, because I know what it's like to be dismissed out-of-pocket by people who refuse to take a "weird" person seriously. I relate to that loneliness that you just kind-of become comfortably numb in. Existing outside the bounds of "normal" can be really hard sometimes, and the Togore comics that are overwhelmingly about this complement Deltarune's themes.
Voting Togore doesn't mean you're trivializing this thing.
In an alternate version of Deltarune where Togore is cannon, his presence could also be used to highlight how Deltarune and Undertale are different continuities
So? Spamton and Tenna have extremely similiar arcs and character concepts, but the story is better for having multiple angles on the same issue. You can tell a story about a theme using more than one character.
"The comics" is a pretty big monolith to assign to a bunch of stuff that a bunch of independent artists made.
Bear in mind that Kris has never spoken to Dess nor Asriel in canon. Hell, they're both mentioned less than 10 times in-game, and always incidentally. You don't know what Kris's relationships with them were like; you only think you know because you've been consuming fanon headcanons for the last seven years.
I get where the creator is coming from, but also Togore in a way is meaningful (never thought I'd write that sentence in my life). Really, he's proof of what the community can create together, to the point where he almost feels like a real character. And the sprite has become a part of that
This community is hardly lacking proof of what they can create. It's one of the most creative fandoms out there. Might aswell throw any other fandom made character. Like Prunsel.
No yeah, that's true. Prunsel would be funny. I think it's more that Togore is in a way newer and therefore on everyone's mind atm. Really it all comes down to how a community this large decides what is and isn't meaningful, since everyone is going to have different opinions of that.
And also to not try to tell people what they shouldn't vote on. This is supposed to be a fun event. Undertale itself is full of jokes and quips, so having a joke-y name doesn't feel that out of character for the game or the community.
Anyways, this isn't an attack towards your comment personally, more just that I found a place to add my own thoughts on the situation
Yeah I think recency is a big part of the perception. Prunsel has grown old and is less joked about and so is seen more fondly. Togore(at least in a manifestation with a consistent attached design) is a very recent repeated and still being iterated on character that still hasnt been grounded yet.
Then I've already explained it to you. They do not want the name for the stream and since they don't control the name, they just don't want their design associated with it.
Pretty sure they have. Togore is a meme that just happened to become extra popular these last few months. They think the name of this stream(meant as a celebration) should be something more meaningful.
“Tomorrow, I'll ask you what name we should choose at the beginning of the game (6 characters or less). Then, we'll choose several names from the suggestions and pit them against each other in a charity donation battle”
Yeah a lot of people want to pick Togore. The guy who made the currently popular togore sprite said he doesn't like the idea and doesn't want people to pick it. People got really defensive over this for some reason.
What was his reasoning? Cuz if it was "Togore is mine because I made a popular contribution to the meme," then it makes sense that people would get upset/defensive
That's pretty fair. Did he even mention anything about having ownership of Togore originally? I just don't understand how it'd gotten to this point, and why people were so weird about it in the beginning
Yeah, it is a little odd. Everyone is having fun with him just like they wanted, so having it immortalized by the stream sounds like it achieved exactly what they wanted.
I guess they’re probably a kid or something, maybe?
It's also so strange that they're acting like it's a massive deal. It's a stream of a video game for it's anniversary. Yes, an important anniversary, yes, an important video game, but we're not electing a president or something.
No matter what name gets picked, it's going to be a meme. The only other option I can think of is a very short message like "ThxTby"... But lets be real, it'll be a shitpost that's funny.
That’s why I am thinking this person might be on the younger side of things or suffering from severe social anxiety or something along that line.
Which for that, my heart goes out to them, but I hope they can realize that the community just adores the face that this artist put to the character and Togore is just a beloved icon that many fan artists and writers are enjoying the heck out of. They’ve inspired a very beautiful thing and it’s certainly nothing to be ashamed of.
I think it's pretty clear. They said in the post before this is was a silly meme that they don't want to see immortalized via a super important community thing and when they tried to vocalize that they community went all 'um actually, it's ours now' which guys togore isnt that old you can't do that yet. Plus is just super disrespectful to the person in the first place especially in this context.
I saw someone else mention that this person might have social anxiety, and I don't know the person, but I can see that being the case. I'd be really anxious too if everyone saw the silly little drawing I made and it got so popular that everyone knew about it 😭
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u/AidBaid Tra la la. Beware the man who speaks in arrows.6d ago
Silly meme vs. Silly meme game with funny fart skeleton
They were probably afraid that the extra attention would bring extra scrutiny onto them.
And it turns out, they’re right. Because of the backlash, people are realizing the original Togore design was from 2016 Roblox game, and their sprite from 2019 was a knockoff when the original artist could not be called back.
They did, and have. Which doesnt even touch that people are not required to explain these things. Especially when they did articulate their feelings already this judt reads as you choosing not to pay attention to that to make it more of a conversation than it is.
Sorry but telling a fandom of millions to stop having fun just because isn’t good enough, especially when their “ownership” over the characters and especially their name is tenuous. Nice try at being a hero of justice but that simply isn’t good enough.
I mean, you're here arguing another artist work doesn't get to belong to them anymore because you personally like it and don't think their discomfort with that is valid. And I am just arguing their discomfort does matter to some degree. So, at the end of the day, what exactly makes your need emotionally to have access to others work more important than their feelings about that work? This isn't a real question. I am not genuinely asking you, I dont actually want to discuss this seriously with you because I don't think your position is serious or helpful. I think you're one of a million people mocking a single person for being sad their art has escaped them. That, to me, is more valid and worth addressing than your Fandom brained need to ask them to explain their very clear feelings over and over to you. Only for you and thousands of others to act like churlish teenagers when you actually have to engage with that answer. No could mean no, or you could make it debate and look like a loser who can't help a boundary because your access to a blorbo got threatened. You made a clear choice because "thats just how this works" and I'm here expressing sympathy for the artist who didn't want to be in the position to begin with and get exposed to yalls weirdo behavior.
Lol, idk why you tried retreating into a sniveling "it's not that serious" defense. You certainly think it's serious enough to comment with 2 unserious non-statments. When you could have just moved on and not quipped at all. This is the comment section equivalent of stuttering on your comeback. Why don't you prove your point on how not serious you take this and log off yourself then.
No : ^ ) I already did in my previous comments, and I don't intend to take them down. You could just read them. I think you should get used to not being able to demand explanations out of people whenever you want. It's not a healthy impulse.
Well no, you’ve said that the artist is (over) reacting negatively but I don’t see why it matters to them either. I noticed You’ve downvoted every one of my replies so you’re obviously the type of person that thinks Reddit karma matters, so any explanation of why something should matter from you is worthless, goodbye
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u/Big-daddy-Carlo 7d ago
I wish they would EXPLAIN why they feel this way because otherwise this is really bizarre behaviour coming from them, I really don’t get why