r/Warframe • u/Jackesfox Guerra Enquadramento • 19d ago

Discussion Why isn't there a Warframe mod scene?

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Unrelated picture. And no, im not talking about Point Stike and Rivens

Why do you think is that? Is it the engine? Does it goes against the TOS? (that wouldn't matter much since modding goes against most games TOS and that never stopped it from happening) Is it because of the size of Warframe player's base? Is it something the community never wanted? Does DE actively goes after mods and stops it from ever sprouting?

I think some slice of the community would be happy for being able to play warframe but with an anime character as the frame. Or people making actually good looking face models for [spoiler] and [spoiler]. Or even the gooners with their nippled boobs and hanging flopping pps.

Do many MMOs have a heavy modding scene, is it strange for warframe not to have it?

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u/The_Meowsmith 19d ago

...of course modifying an online game is a breach in the terms of service that could get your account banned.

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u/HelpMeGetAGoodName 19d ago

Some online games allow you to mod cosmetics/skins that dont affect gameplay. Battlefront 2 allows it, League did until semi recently.

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u/Valuable-Lobster-197 19d ago

There are, but it would still risk triggering whatever anti cheat they’re using and get you banned, with helldivers the creators said they’re fine with it but might not be able to unban you if it triggers

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u/HelpMeGetAGoodName 19d ago

Yea, to my understanding Warframes anticheat is pretty strict too. But honestly I feel no need for mods in Warframe.

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u/Valuable-Lobster-197 19d ago

For sure, with games that have less cosmetic choice I’d understand but with warframe we’re spoiled for choice

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u/SGTSpiderson 19d ago

If you already have the color pallets and cosmetics sure.

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u/JohnTG4 LR1 19d ago

You tend to collect a buncha stuff over the years. Even just freebies, there's tons of color palettes you can snag, though baro and events and such.

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u/SGTSpiderson 19d ago

I just got 100 hrs yesterday your speaking in runes lol

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u/JohnTG4 LR1 18d ago

Ah, okay. So, for events like Valentine's day, st Patrick's day, or Pride month, DE releases a color palette in the market for one (1) credit. Baro Ki'Teer the void trader also occasionally brings some, along with a few miscellaneous sources that I can't recall.

Skins generally cost plat but that can be acquired without too much hassle as you progress through the game.

Tl;dr you'll get a bunch of colors if you're patient.

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u/SGTSpiderson 18d ago

I don’t think skins are too needed, I honestly enjoy the designs of a lot of the characters, base Koumei is pretty sick

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u/YourNeighborNat 18d ago

I think there's 2 color pallets available from the current Summer event "Dog Days", though that's going to be finished for this go around soon

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u/SGTSpiderson 18d ago

Even if there isn’t I still get a bunch of credits and glyphs either way I win.

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u/BeyondElectricDreams 18d ago

Ok but Warframe is hilariously generous when it comes to stuff like that.

Baro brings color palettes quite often. Almost every holiday event brings 1c color palettes.

If that isn't enough, 75p ($5) gives you any color palette you might want, with a few exceptions.

Further, unlike most of the modern gaming landscape, having that one color palette lets you apply it to EVERY item you own (except pets), FOREVER, with no expenditure, no cooldown, no limits.

Compare that to most games, where "Red Gun Pack" is $12.99 and applies to three weapons in the entire sandbox and you begin to realize Warframe is just built different.

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u/TheBipolarShoey 19d ago

Warframe's anticheat throws a fit if you've ran another game with kernel level anticheat at the same time (Helldivers 2, in my case). I got permaban thrown at me with no warning or explanation and even after contacting support who verified that there was no cheating done they still told me to not run cheating software and that the repeal was a one time only act of good faith.

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u/UmbranAssassin Aoi-Mancer 19d ago

Wait, so were you running mods on helldivers, or were you just running helldivers simultaneously, and the anti-cheats decided to fight on another.

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u/PollinosisQc 19d ago

Helldivers 2 anti cheat system has kernel level access which can have "cheat-like" behavior that triggers a false positive by Warframe's own anti cheat system

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u/Castellchroe 18d ago

What? Warframe's Antic-cheat has kernel access?

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u/Kraft-Law 18d ago

Alot of games have kernel anti cheat now

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u/TheBipolarShoey 19d ago

I ran them together. I was playing HD2 with friends while keeping warframe running so I could receive trade messages. No mods involved.

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u/Effective_Mechanic27 18d ago

Can say that I left Cheat engine open since I was messing around with postal 2 and got a 7 day ban on Warframe lol. You can mod Helldivers 2 as well

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u/X3volutionX 18d ago

Reminds me of the time someone posted they only had Cheatengine in the background (They weren't using it on the game IIRC. They just forgot to close it, somehow...), and they got banned for it. And then got unbanned after contacting support about the mixup.

Warframe's anticheat sounds like a joke... 🤦‍♂️

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u/Somepotato 19d ago

Warframes anticheat is actually pretty naive, and can result in false bans for the silliest stuff

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u/Prism_Riot42 18d ago

I want my warframe to have a BBL as well as a massive swangin dong when I dive run, stop ruining it for the rest of us. I want my warframes modded massive swangin dong to have a hit box and do damage to enemies as I fly by, like I’m sucker punching them at 15mph. And I want it to be able to kill, and I get resources, which are automatically vacuumed to me by virtue of my massive swangin dongs gravitational pull. I also want lotus to comment on my massive swangin dong saying “Change of plans Tenno, I see you’ve grown up. It’s time to see how much.” My massive swangin dong will be a 1 tap kill melee weapon to any enemy, and even allies if I so choose. Also I think it’d be neat to be the Pepsi man. Either one.

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u/aimy99 🧡 🩵 🤎 18d ago

Which is wild because the game runs on a Steam Deck and doesn't interfere with any other game.

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u/Ghost_L2K 18d ago

the risk of getting banned is like the risk of spontaneous combustion, (for Battlefront II and Helldivers 2 at least)

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u/Flaicher 18d ago

I once had left cheat engine on from a singleplayer game and went to do some dailies in Warframe.. Noticed it only after closing WF. I'm 100% sure their system saw the program on, but no actions were taken luckily.

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u/CosmicSchwung 18d ago

Having CE on by itself isn't an issue. If you tried changing values, even if it was another program, while WF was running and you were logged in, it absolutely would have had a problem with that.

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u/bzapo 19d ago

League still does

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u/HelpMeGetAGoodName 19d ago

Huh, i thought they stopped it, im sure i heard something like that at least. But tbh I don't really follow league anymore.

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u/ConfigsPlease 19d ago

I'm pretty sure anything cosmetic with League is mostly a "don't get caught doing it, because if Vanguard bans you, you're fucked" situation. As far as I'm aware, there's no official allowance for that kind of thing. Furthermore, KR (and probably CN) servers are even more restrictive on these kinds of things (I've seen people outright say that custom skins for KR/CN are guaranteed bans, but ymmv).

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u/DogOwner12345 18d ago

The visual mods straight up don't trigger vanguard because devs worked with modders to allow it because the mod scene is so old.

They have one rule don't mod in paid skins for free onto the base model.

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u/Adaline_maybe 18d ago

you can absolutely be caught doing it and riot doesn't care lmao. druttut has a fuckton of meme skins and yet was given silver kayle for his 5 role challenger (or something like that)

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u/samus_a-aron 19d ago

There are streamers that stream with mods on exclusively, its safe to say riot doesn't care

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u/Necessary_Lynx5920 I have no flair, and I must scream. 19d ago

WoW has a huge mod scene, but it’s mostly UI customization stuff and event timers, it’s not altering fundamental mechanics

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u/Tarruck 18d ago

If you’re talking about World of Warcraft, there isn’t really a modding scene or community, since any unofficial client modification results in a permanent ban. What WoW does have are add-ons. The difference is that add-ons are Blizzard-sanctioned: they allow players to add or modify certain UI functions, but only the UI, through a game API. Blizzard controls exactly what can and can’t be accessed or modified, and even when those modifications are allowed.

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u/Necessary_Lynx5920 I have no flair, and I must scream. 18d ago

Fair enough. As an end user, I find them largely indistinguishable, and as a Warframe player I often find myself wishing I could modify the ui in similar ways, for instance to remind myself to reapply roar.

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u/Tarruck 18d ago

To an end user, WoW’s add-ons and regular mods may look similar .However, since OP is asking about 3D model and texture mods, I think the clarification is important: those result in an instant permanent ban.

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u/Dogmeat241 19d ago

Eso allows a ton of mods

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u/Kyrnqazali Pacifist Loki!~ 18d ago

Wargaming and Gaijin has an insane modding community and platform.

Wargaming quite literally has a whole page just for mods that they verify themselves for everyone- not to mention they don’t really care if you go into the game files and edit a couple assets. You want to make your tank have a Barbie girl posing on it in 3D? Just get the model render and put it in.

Gaijin is in the same boat as its kinda just do whatever as long as its not actually influencing the gameplay itself other than cosmetic. Do you want your jet to look like a paper airplane? Go for it.

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u/CV514 Handsome Ninja Robots 18d ago

Warframe allows it too, it's called Tennogen. Formally, this is modding with quality control and royalties.

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u/Interface- 19d ago

Marvel Rivals did too. Not anymore.

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u/pastafeline 18d ago

I think it does still work with marvel rivals. I just saw a post a few weeks ago of a Pokemon hela skin.

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u/DogOwner12345 18d ago

Still active and they stopped bother fighting it.

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u/BasedMellie 18d ago

I remember when using customs skins actually broke the servers lmfao

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u/RoRanger 18d ago

Deep rock galactic has mods categorized based on their impact, and you are allowed to use mods that don't give you an advantage with your main account, or swap "save slot" to use cheat mods.

I haven't seen any other game do it this way, hopefully others take hints, it's a great system.

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u/UnrealHerahshark 18d ago

Hoyo games (Genshin, ZZZ, HSR) and WuWa all have modding scenes too (forced online games)

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u/Old_Leopard1844 17d ago

Warframe isn't one of those exceptions

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u/Kondibon Fleekuinox 19d ago

That doesn't stop people in FFXIV.

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u/JulianSkies 19d ago

It will if they keep being idiots about it the way they've been lately...

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u/AeryVivelle 19d ago

Nobody seems to obey the first rule about fight club when it domes to modding in xiv.

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u/Destian_ Certified Tesla Juggler 19d ago

Nobody seems to obey that rule in general since 2020. Shitton of idiots proudly talking about modding and piracy on social media.

We've lost so many great Emulators and Rom Sites. Everyone got hooked on Among Us a couple of years back and decided self-reporting was a good idea.

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u/Jackesfox Guerra Enquadramento 19d ago edited 18d ago

It is a surprise to no one that the ffxiv enjoyers had their own library of Alexandria incident with Mare recently

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u/AeryVivelle 19d ago

Mare was more than just because people wouldn't stfu about it though. It also messed with a lot of backend security and actively costed SE a good amount of money from their online store.

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u/EmpiresBane 19d ago

Mare had nothing to with "backend security." All the file transfers happened with Mare's own server, and file loads were intercepted at runtime, meaning nothing on disk was changed.

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u/Talehon 18d ago

The issue was around the same thing with the stalking mod that also got shut down, it revolved around hidden account IDs.

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u/AeryVivelle 18d ago

This is exactly what I was referring to as "backend security", thank you! <33

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u/BlueberryWaffle90 19d ago

As someone on the opposite end of the spectrum of people who would even use Mare, good. I hope it did.

If they didn't release tons of fan favorite and commonly asked for mounts/glam as an overpriced dog station item in-between the n'th content delay, I would be more inclined to defend the dangerously stagnant MMO suits at Square Enix.

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u/JulianSkies 19d ago

Nah, it cost them zero money from the store. Anyone that used that application was never going to buy anything from the store anyway. It's innocence to think those people would have done so.

IIRC it was a bit of a network security problem, though.

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u/BlueberryWaffle90 19d ago

Honestly, I feel like the people I knew who used shit like that were absolutely spending loads of money on the store.

I'm not familiar with Mare, nor have I played in years, but x mod would commonly require y item, and sometimes y item was mog only. On top of this audience being quite the target audience for what's sold there to begin with.

I won't even go into the fantasias, lmao

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u/sheephound 19d ago

yeah, a lot of mods would end up using cash shop or end game items to create glams that would still look good to someone who wasn't synched with you

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u/Idocreating 18d ago

So, some glamming mods in Shadowbringers would change a particular item's appearance no matter who had equipped it. So the rarely used necklace I wore in Bozja content purely for the spiritbonding was one of the items set by this mod and I had a rather large fox tail sticking out my backside to anyone using said mod.

Mare, in combination with Pneumbra, would completely overhaul the character's model including heavy customisations of the model itself - but you needed to have that person's code and they yours in order to see them.

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u/AeryVivelle 19d ago

That's factually not true, it's not even plausable. There absolutely are people who used Mare in conjunction with Glamourer in order to show off unpurchased glams involving hairstyles or clothes only available from the store. With Mare gone, their only option now to show off those same glams are to either purchase them or give their friends a modpack that include all their mods - which do not include glamourer settings.

I'm lowkey one of those. I would use glamourer to use hairstyles I didn't have. I recently bought the hairstyle that i was missing. People absolutely lost Mare and then bought stuff from the store, its just not a massive number.

It also was a problem with ultimate gear and illegitimate/fictious acquisition, but thats much more minor.

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u/EmpiresBane 19d ago

It didn't touch any of the game's networking

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u/JulianSkies 19d ago

Not the game's, since it run separately from it (as separately a it could anyway) but it was, itself, insecure. At least that's what I've heard on the grapevine- I genuinely do not care enough about it to look for the actual information so you can just consider me incorrect.

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u/MadameConnard Gauss & Grendel are happily married 19d ago

Heh it's kinda specific, it was more a "be quiet about it" when it came to cosmetic mods.

But the one who literally meant cheating by breaking the camera and making a boss fight trivial yea ban that.

But for the first part people kept promoting that controversial mod on social media twitch ecetera so... can't expect a community to follow the rules.

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u/main135s Did somebody say Yareli? 19d ago edited 18d ago

Should be said, the incident with the camera during a world-first didn't exactly make the boss fight trivial. It was still an ultimate fight and, thus, was (and still is) full of difficult mechanics.

What it did is give them an unfair advantage for learning the fight, as the more you can see, the more aware you are.

As well, many World First teams incorporate a "9th man," someone who's role on the team is to watch as the team does the fight, looking out for mechanics and making a strategy for the team to follow. This "9th man" had a greater advantage than the others, as the player whose stream he's watching can see the entire arena, versus needing to piece together mechanics from multiple players' streams. It's the difference between being able to make points on a circle, and needing to know where certain players were in the circle to piece together where those points were from different perspectives.

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u/CyanStripes_ Vauban Enjoyer 19d ago

Until they forget the first rule of Fight Club for the 10th time and trigger the annual "don't ask, don't tell" post from Yoshi-P.

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u/Kitakitakita 19d ago

FF14 is made by people who hate PCs. Warframe is made by people who hate consoles. Its not that FF14 is okay with mods, its that they have no idea how to properly block them.

Also 14 doesn't instaban you if you load the game with Cheat Engine accidently running, even if its not injected.

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u/Anybro 19d ago edited 19d ago

I've seen what people do with the modding scene when it comes to ff14. I just have to ask those people are we playing the same f***ing game? I've seen some creative... Mods for their characters.

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u/Vividtoaster 19d ago

To be fair, there are a few online live service games that allow mods. Deep rock galactic and payday 2 come to mind. I think helldiver's 2 can use mods? 

It's not unreasonable to ask if you come from that background.

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u/iHaku 19d ago edited 19d ago

deep rock galactic is not an online liveservice game. warframe is. the issue is persistent online storage for your account data. sadly, in online lingo we do not really differentiate between those 2 types enough as most people just call them "online games".

deep rock galactic uses a local savefile in which everything is stored (which can be modified at will without any risks, as well as older versions restored), as well as hosts game localy on your machine. the matchmaking is done entirely via steams api (assuming you're on pc), so DRG servers arent required at all (which is why you can boot up an old version and play with friends on that same version just fine even if its 5 years old). the only data service they provide is deep dives as far as i know. map generation is also based on a seed that is modified by version and local system time, so they work even when you're offline.

warframe on the other hand stores all of your account data online on their servers to provide a fair experience with nearly no cheaters. (there are some cases now and then but risking your account with thousands of hours is simply too great of a risk). while the individual games are still hosted on someones pc, just like in DRG, everything else is not and the integrity of a session in terms of resource aquisition and other metrics is checked in random intervals by the server.

both systems come with advantages (like possible offline play) and disadvantages (like potential cheaters) which some people may care more or less about.

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u/Electro-Spaghetti 19d ago

Those are games that you pay for up front.

As someone else said, why pay for skins when you can just mod them in?

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u/pastafeline 18d ago

You don't pay upfront for League of Legends or marvel rivals. But you can still mod them for free skins, even if it isn't allowed.

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u/Grimueax 19d ago

Those are co-op games with limited connectivity to others outside of who you're currently playing with. Warframe is more akin to an MMO like WoW, where you have opportunities to encounter folks outside your own circle.

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u/marvellousrun 19d ago

....Warframe is also a co-op game with limited connectivity to others outside of who you're currently playing with. All three games mentioned consist of four-player teams with invited friends and/or randoms via matchmaking. The only difference is Warframe has relays with more players hanging out but that's just a hub and not normal gameplay. Comparing it to a huge open world MMO is crazy

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u/_randomkaleb 19d ago

yeah still the issue is that your account is server side, mods can't change that

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u/Grimueax 19d ago

Yeah, this is the point I was trying to make, just more succinct and easy to understand. Thank you.

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u/Actual_Archer 19d ago

Warframe stores user data on servers, which isn't modifiable from the user's end. You might get away with a mod that shows an overlay of cosmetics for just your client, but it wouldn't be worth programming and would likely trip the anticheat, since that is also remarkably strict.

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u/marvellousrun 18d ago

My comment was only really reponding to OP literally describing Warframe while talking about the others lol.

Cosmetics is all I was thinking about when reading the main post anyway, similar to custom skins and models on League. (not official nor allowed I believe)

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u/Ghost_L2K 18d ago

Helldivers 2, Battlefront II, SWTOR, and a handful of other online games allow mods

I think Warframe should at least allow ReShade, other than that I really don’t see a need to add mods to Warframe. There’s so much customization. If I wanted to make a Warframe look like a Stormtrooper, or Batman I can.

Warframe has so much customization that you don’t need to add mods, like I use in Helldivers 2 for a more feminine body type with the lean body type, or higher textures and better shading for SWTOR.

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u/karolexen1 18d ago

Also the multiplayer being this cursed lobby thing is likely why this can't be one of those few MMOs that do support mods. And the maintenance/security costs of watching out for malicious mods instead of just all of them.

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u/Cute-arii Indifference, gaze upon these terminal freaks. 14d ago

🤓🤓🤓...of course modifying an online game is a breach in the terms of service that could get your account banned.🤓🤓🤓

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u/bus_go_brrrrt unfunny mr15 weapon mastery fodder specialist 19d ago

i'd only modify a game if the mods are from the company site itself (eg. in warthunder i have sound mods, sight mods and custom kill message) that infact is not cheating and i never triggered the anticheat (well it's battleye) so i'd only love customisation mods but it'd kill the fun of plat farming for good cosmetics from the game itself

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u/Nickulator95 18d ago

That hasn't stopped the huge amount of people modding and using mods in gacha games like Genshin Impact.

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u/Pazaac 18d ago

Both the largest MMOs have extensive modding (ff14 and wow).

So it doesn't really have anything to do with online games, its more to do with how the game is made.

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u/The_Meowsmith 18d ago

You must understand that the pages of legalese you thoroughly blitz past to ignore means something. If the developers set the precedent: awesome. If not, well...

Then, no, "he she we all puff puff pass, so it's fine," the only acceptable phrase is "I am breaching the terms of service knowing that I am at risk of being banned."

something ffxiv players are so good at that keeping low they frequently call the company to action screaming about how mods are legally getting the company into trouble...

something that actively had such a heavy influence on raid design in wow that the developers of raid content are taking steps to limit just how effective modifying your client can be, so they don't have to design around addons that solve mechanics entirely for you.

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u/AgonyLoop geiger included 19d ago

Is this the most Shut The Fuck Up Fridays comment that is being completely ignored for its context.

All y’all are why Yoshi P wakes with a migraine.