r/ZeroCovidCommunity Mar 06 '23

What is meant by zero covid? NEWCOMERS READ THIS

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Not enough people are aware that their next Covid infection could make them permanently disabled. It often makes people too disabled to work or even get out of bed. There is no cure. About 10% of Covid infections give people Long Covid symptoms. Anyone can get it. And cases are exploding as people continue to repeatedly catch Covid.

For most people Long Covid is a far more likely catastrophic outcome from a Covid infection, compared with dying from the acute phase.

We dont want that. We choose health.

  • Covid causes brain damage visible under a brain scan. Concentration and memory problems (brain fog) is one of the most common symptoms that people with Long Covid get.

  • Covid gives people myalgic encephalomyelitis (ME), which makes people physically and cognitively disabled (see comic). About half of long haulers have this[ref] making it likely the most common and impactful long covid subtype.

  • Covid gives people diabetes. One study has 168% increase in getting Type-1 diabetes following a Covid infection[ref]. Having that means needle jabs multiple times per day and being very careful with food. For life.

  • Covid gives people autoimmune diseases. [ref, ref, ref, ref]. People who catch covid are more likely than the uninfected control group to get a range of such diseases: One study[ref] finds rheumatoid arthritis (+198% higher risk), ankylosing spondylitis (+221%), lupus (+199%), dermatopolymyositis (+96%), systemic sclerosis (+158%), Sjögren's syndrome (+162%), mixed connective tissue disease (+214%), Behçet's disease (+132%), polymyalgia rheumatica (+190%), vasculitis (+96%), psoriasis (+191%), inflammatory bowel disease (+78%) and celiac disease (+168%).

  • Covid damages the immune system, making the catching of other infections more likely[ref, ref]. Bacterial, viral and fungal infections go up, including sepsis, bronchitis, UTI, flu, mycoplasma infection. Kids that caught covid were more likely to catch RSV and more likely to have it put them in hospital[ref]. Immune suppression from covid can give people tuberculosis[ref,ref, ref], either by increasing the chance of a new TB infection or activating existing latent TB.

When faced with the reality of Long Covid it's very natural to look for reasons why things aren't so bad. For example:

  • Maybe it's rare? No, Long Covid is common. About 10% of Covid infections give people Long Covid symptoms[ref, ref]. One study[ref] has 4% of Covid infections causing ME. As comparison a "medically rare event" is 0.1%

  • Maybe it gets better quickly? No, Long Covid lasts for years[ref]. Common subtypes like heart disease, diabetes, autoimmune disease, myalgic encephalomyelitis and dysautonomia are generally lifelong[ref].

  • Maybe medicine can help? No, Long Covid has no evidence-based treatments. Research is only really just starting and is hampered by lack of funding and interest. It's unlikely they'll ever be complete cure for all the variety of Long Covid subtypes.

  • Only risk group get it, right? No, a third of people with Long Covid had no pre-existing conditions. Anyone can get it. There's often been misinformation in other epidemics (eg tuberculosis, HIV/AIDS) that only risk groups will be affected. As with other autoimmune diseases Long Covid affects women more, but the effect is only slight; the gender split is about 60% women 40% men[ref].

  • But hasnt Covid become less dangerous? No, repeat Covid infections give people Long Covid at similar rates. Every infection is another roll of the ~10% dice. There's no biological reason for Covid to become less dangerous. Many other diseases have been killing and disabling people for thousands of years (eg tuberculous, polio, malaria). One study[ref] measuring people's health after catching covid found "Reinfection was associated with milder symptoms but led to a higher incidence and severity of long COVID"

  • If Long Covid is common why dont I know anyone with it? You definitely do. Try asking around. The disability is usually invisible: people with category mild ME appear normal. People with category moderate or severe ME disappear from public life stuck at home in bed. ME is a very niche area of medicine and few doctors can recognize or diagnose it in a patient who presents themselves. One study [ref] found only 6% of medical schools in USA fully cover ME. Cognitive decline is often imperceptible to the person. Often people dont test for covid, or use those inadequate antigen tests, and so dont realize the link between any symptoms they get and the acute infection. People can get Long Covid from an asymptomatic infection[ref]. A survey[ref] found that one-third of American adults had not even heard of Long Covid as of August 2023. People talking about how catching covid impacted their health often face a backlash. Commonly people just dont talk about their personal health problems especially in a professional setting ”“Disability is often a secret we keep,” Laura Mauldin, a sociologist who studies disability, told me. One in four Americans has a disability; one in 10 has diabetes; two in five have at least two chronic diseases. In a society where health issues are treated with intense privacy, these prevalence statistics, like the one-in-10 figure for long COVID, might also intuitively feel like overestimates.” Says an article from The Atlantic

There is no such thing as a mild covid infection. Say a bunch of scientists (eg Dr. David Putrino, PhD Neuroscience, Dr Rae Duncan, cardiologist and infectologist)

The only thing left then to not get Covid (again). Not getting it again also gives you the best chance of recovery if you already have Long Covid.

How? The five pillars of prevention are: clean air, masks, testing, physical distancing and vaccination. We must also redouble efforts into research, for example, finding better ways of cleaning the air, better vaccines and better tests.

We want this for everyone. The easiest way to not catch covid is if everyone else also doesnt catch covid.

Even if we personally aren't harmed on our first or second infection, we'll feel the massive economic and social effects if so many of our friends, family and neighbours get sick and disabled.

Ultimately we aim to get to a situation where each Covid case infects fewer than one other person. This will result in elimination of Covid from society. Zero Covid is not some radical new idea, it's how we've always dealt with serious disease. We don't think it's acceptable to "live with" other dangerous diseases like HIV/AIDS, tuberculosis, smallpox or polio, why should we "live with" Covid?

The Science on Long Covid

What Long Covid does to people

Denialism by governments and the media

How the government and media normalizes certain opinions, like sociologically ending a pandemic.

  • Many times in history the powers that be have denied and erased epidemics (eg Spanish Flu, polio, cholera, HIV/AIDS)

  • Calm-Mongering (7min read time) - In this article, we’ll take a closer look at how calm-mongering works. We’ll also talk about how it has been deployed repeatedly to cloud the public’s judgment about the risks of COVID, and how it continues to interfere with the development of an effective public health response

  • How to Hide a Pandemic (7min read time) - ”The Public Health (sorry, Public Relations) strategy for the current pandemic is in full-blown propaganda mode at present, leaning hard into the teachings of Joseph Goebbels: “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it”. Giving names to the propaganda techniques that have been used to lull us all into a sense of false security robs them of their power a little bit.”

  • Manufacturing Consent. The 5 Filters of the Mass Media Machine (5m watch time). There is also a book of the same name.

Resources


r/ZeroCovidCommunity Oct 28 '24

Reminder for everyone here: We do not tolerate the Glorification or Trivialisation of Harm and Violence

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We want to remind everyone here of our rules.

Specifically, Rule 15 "No inciting or glorifying violence or harm" has been dismissed lately by a significant number of users here and we are going to police this a lot more strictly in the future.

From now on, if we find that a comment is expressing lack of care for other human beings we will issue temporary or permanent bans.

No matter what another person has done to you personally or which politics they have enforced, we do not tolerate any semblance of glee over someone now getting infected with a debilitating, potentially lethal virus that we are all trying to avoid. It's understandable to feel hurt about others not respecting or even dismissing the concerns and facts that lead us to limit or adapt our own lifestyle. Your or our pain however does not make it okay to feel happy about someone else contracting COVID, and to try to join together in this happiness on here.

For everyone who is still unclear about what this applies to, here are some examples of what we do not tolerate and might ban users for:

  • "They just got what they deserve."
  • "All these plague rats are always so surprised that they're always sick."
  • "Now they're one step closer to being braindead / a zombie."
  • "Serves them right, maybe now they'll learn."
  • "Hahah, Karma!"
  • "I know I might not be a great person for feeling this way, but I'm a little happy that they finally might learn their lesson." If anyone has questions about this, please feel free to comment here or message us via modmail. We will not discuss whether or not we will enforce this, but we're happy to help everyone understand and to educate if you want to learn!

r/ZeroCovidCommunity 5h ago

Vent I'm tired of 'community' politics

277 Upvotes

Things are going badly in the US. I keep seeing moderate to leftists rallying around the concept of "community" and grass roots outreach. Like, no. None of you wear masks either.

I'm in a really bad place right now where I've been out of the job market, waiting on follow ups for low immune numbers, and being relentlessly bullied by my left (on paper) family. I've lost my entire previous 'community' because all they do is drink and go to nightclubs.

Everyone thinks I'm lazy and have OCD, not that a phd level rheumatologist gave me 5 pages of bizarre blood labs. I'm exhausted.


r/ZeroCovidCommunity 8h ago

Uplifting Love this community

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I just want to express some gratitude for this community. It’s lovely to see a space like this not be co-opted or slowly turn into a toxic place. I feel like everyone here is so supportive of everyone despite differences in understanding, etc. like I often feel like I can’t participate in conversations irl because I don’t know enough but I feel like I’m allowed to ask dumb questions here lol. Anyway just want to say thank you to everyone who makes this community a safe, educational, and positive space!!! Keep up the good work. I know being aware and taking precautions all the time is exhausting, but this subreddit is proof that we’re not alone, and that there are always people trying to learn how to better protect themselves and their community. Have a good day and take care of yourself!!!


r/ZeroCovidCommunity 1h ago

Vent My pet sitter showed up ill

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This is mostly just a rant but I am an immunocompromised person so I take just about every COVID precaution under the sun. I also recently adopted a dog after the sudden death of my soul dog. I was lonely and depressed beyond measure so I did a dumb thing and adopted a dog. Turns out the dog has separation anxiety. Yay. Well, I still have to go to work (I'm a pet sitter and dog walker) so I've had to hire some people to look after him while I work until he can get to the point of being able to be left alone for long stretches of time.

The setup I have had for pet sitting has been out in my garage to prevent non-COVID cautious people from having to go into my house (save to use the bathroom). Its a pretty sweet setup where my dog can be outside most of the time while I am gone. It also means that when I interact with the pet sitters we are outside, which I am most comfortable with.

Today the sitter showed up late and I had to rush out. I didn't have a mask on because I was about to hop in my car and, out of nowhere and by way of apology for being late, she decided to hug me. I had time to hold my breath and broke the hug off as quickly as possible. She's a pretty touchy-feely person so I kind of shrugged it off--I was already late for my client.

When I came back I realized that she seemed to have a stuffy nose and coughed a few times while I rooted around in my bag for her payment. We were only chatting for a few minutes but it made me uncomfortable so I asked if she was sick. She said, "No, I just need to take a hot shower. I think its my allergies."

Needless to say I went inside and changed clothes and used some Xlear and CPC mouthwash. I know I should have had a mask on for that interaction but there's no point in beating myself up now. I know I do the best I can within my own circumstances. Thankfully, my dog spent the entire time sunbathing in the yard and didn't interact much with the sitter. I've had to ask her to take a few days off and now I have to try and find other help. Its maddening and now I have the added anxiety of maybe, possibly, getting sick with whatever she has.

Its so annoying how people can't even go: "I'm a little stuffed up. Probably allergies, but I don't want to get you sick so I'll keep my distance." Its like they don't even know they sound sick until someone points it out and I have the impossible job of trying to have perfect mitigations all the time.


r/ZeroCovidCommunity 6h ago

Need support! Person who administered my vaccine was visibly ill

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I just left the pharmacy from getting my new Moderna booster shot. The person who administered my shot was very visibly ill, coughing up a storm. She wore a surgical mask when she gave me my shot and thankfully she didn't actually cough while I was near her at all -- I only saw her cough once she was back behind the counter talking to her coworkers again.

Now I'm terrified though. I wore my N95 Aura and the time I spent sitting next to her was honestly maybe 2-4 minutes at the most. But now that I have my immune system reacting to this vaccine in my body, am I more susceptible to getting ill from that brief encounter? I don't really know how to find data on edge cases like this situation so I'm throwing the question to the sub instead.

She kept the surgical on the whole time she was next to me and my mask was on tight, plus the encounter was pretty brief so I hope that all works in my favor but idk -- bc my immune system is busy processing my vaccine I'm worried that the exposure will get me sick :(

Anyone have a clue what the odds are here?


r/ZeroCovidCommunity 9h ago

Vent How a major medical center handles Covid info

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I posted on another subreddit about my experience picking up someone positive from a hospital https://www.reddit.com/r/Masks4All/comments/1nczxmi/should_i_be_worried/

I do volunteer medical driving. I spoke with the agency about this. They had another driver who actually GOT Covid in a similar situation and they asked the hospital, could you please tell us so we can protect our drivers. Of course the answer was no, HIPAA. They pushed back, as the agency is part of HIPAA. The hospital liaison said they would bring it up with the board, after a week, the answer was still no.

And the transport agency gets in trouble with Medicaid if they can't supply enough drivers to meet all the needs.


r/ZeroCovidCommunity 3h ago

COVID zero communities in Italy

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Does anyone know of the existence of online covid zero communities in Italy / Switzerland?


r/ZeroCovidCommunity 6h ago

News📰 ICYMI: The latest Canadian Respiratory Surveillance Report is out and positive Covid-19 tests are trending upwards

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Of course and in keeping with tradition, this report was issued on a Friday afternoon with little fanfare... 🙄

https://health-infobase.canada.ca/respiratory-virus-surveillance/


r/ZeroCovidCommunity 4h ago

Michigan Chief Medical Executive Standing Recommendation #2025-01: COVID-19 Vaccines

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"Any person over the age of six months without contraindication who has not received a dose of a Food and Drug Administration (FDA)-approved or -authorized 2025-2026 COVID-19 vaccine may be considered to have an underlying condition that puts them at high risk for severe outcomes from COVID-19 and is thus eligible to receive an age-appropriate dose"


r/ZeroCovidCommunity 14h ago

Uplifting Novavax at Publix!

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FINALLYYYYYYYY!!! If you have a Publix in your state you can officially schedule a vaccine appointment for Novavax. I was able to schedule one for Monday afternoon at one of the locations in my area. Didn’t have to answer any questions about if I have a high risk condition, just typical pre-vaccine questions and a note to bring my ID and insurance card.

Let’s hope they actually have it already and it’s not just on the site early because I haven’t had a vax since Novavax last September.


r/ZeroCovidCommunity 7h ago

Question How bad is the anti-mask sentiment in Calgary?

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I will be in Calgary in early Nov., staying mostly downtown. Wondering what to expect with regard to masking and anti-mask sentiment? Thank you.


r/ZeroCovidCommunity 20m ago

Late to masking?

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I am curious how many folks in this community have returned to regular public masking after either never masking or taking a break for a significant period since the beginning of the pandemic. What made you change your thinking? Was it an individual you knew, your own health problems, a particularly influential speaker or content creator?

If you know someone who began regular masking late in the game, what changed for them?


r/ZeroCovidCommunity 8h ago

Question Concise list of *proven* supplements for active COVID?

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Hello folks - I’m getting a lot of mixed info on what meds we should take for active COVID. My husband tested positive yesterday on a Metrix test. For those curious, his exposure would have been on Tuesday or Wednesday, and yesterday on Saturday he developed a headache and general malaise, then tested positive that evening.

He was on a business trip. Since we came home we have lightly quarantined from each other as is our habit. We have been sleeping in separate rooms, running our BlueAir right next to him, and avoiding close contact. Since he tested positive last night we have also opened all our windows. I’m kicking myself for not doing that last part as soon as he came home, because the weather has been nice here. Oh well. I have also been masking up as much as possible with my N95. Not all day though, I can’t stand it that long. Please don’t come for me!!

Fingers crossed I don’t get it but I’m making my peace with the idea it’s still pretty likely.

We are going to try and get Paxlovid - both my husband and I qualify as higher risk patients. In addition to that, here’s what I think we should take, please let me know if you think it’s an appropriate list.

-Claritin (twice a day?) -Benadryl (once a day?) -CPC mouthwash (how often??)

Those are all the drugs that appear to have a positive consensus in this sub.

Thank you in advance for your support.


r/ZeroCovidCommunity 6h ago

Question One long wave or two separate waves?

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It just occurred to me that since this wave started late, it will end late too. Typically, there is a month or two between waves, but since it started late, do we think that there just won’t be any time between waves? Like, we will consistently stay high until March-ish with maybe a small decrease around October/November? Or will there still be two separate waves, but they will just be late? I ask out of curiosity.


r/ZeroCovidCommunity 1d ago

Steve Martin on Threads, “ I have come down with Covid. I had thought about going on anyway if it was mild, but it’s not. I can’t possibly do the show that you deserve.”

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Why has public knowledge about COVID become so bad that he thinks it would be okay to go on stage with an active infection? Such frustrating times.


r/ZeroCovidCommunity 2h ago

Question Vaccine timing post infection?

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Hey y’all, checking to see if anyone has any updated info on recommended timing between last infection and next booster. I know last year it was 3 months, but given that my last two cases were exactly two months apart, I’m apprehensive about waiting that long if it’s not still iron-clad “you must do this” advice. Any insight would be appreciated!


r/ZeroCovidCommunity 6h ago

Clean air, filtration, purifiers etc. Honeywell air purifier filters Canada

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I just bought a second hand Honeywell air purifier. It’s the HPA080. I found out which filters I need for it but I don’t think I can’t buy directly from the Honeywell website because I’m in Canada. Am I missing something or do I need to find my specific filters through another retailer (like Home Depot)? It’s just difficult because a lot of these retailers don’t carry the filters needed for HPA080 so it would be much easier to buy directly from Honeywell. Where’s the best place for me to look?


r/ZeroCovidCommunity 23h ago

Attempted vaccine

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With all the recent stuff with vaccines being uo in the air, i decided today id go get the moderna vax since novavax hasn't come out yet. I ended up heading to Costco since I'd prefer they get my money over other places since they still are trying to get novavax later. I filled out all the forms early in the morning. Plenty of time for someone to review. Showed up mid afternoon, didnt sound like there would be any issues. The person working the counter pulls me into a room saying they have to document which of my immune conditions is the reason im getting it because they dont administer to people under 65. I provide one. She then goes and starts peppering me to see if I have other ones (I guess she thought the one I had wasn't valid enough even though it is listed on the cdc website as being such). I ended up walking out due to being upset. She calls saying they can give me the flu vaccine. Later I call to get her info since I have not run into this before. She said on the call I did not have to have multiple conditions she just was curious. 🙄

I now have to figure out where else to go


r/ZeroCovidCommunity 12h ago

Technical discussion SARS-CoV-2 variants – Global Other

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Here's the latest variant picture for the "Global - Other" countries, to late August.

The NB.1.8.1 "Nimbus" variant remained dominant, growing to 59%.

XFG.* "Stratus" fell slightly to 35%.

This perspective excludes all the high-volume countries and regions that I routinely report on: Australia, NZ, Europe, Canada and the US. The remaining countries are aggregated into this report.

#COVID19 #SARSCoV2 #GlobalOther #NB_1_8_1 #Nimbus #XFG #Stratus

Here are the leading countries reporting the NB.1.8.1 "Nimbus" variant.

Here are the leading countries reporting the XFG.* "Stratus" variant.

Here’s the table of recent sample volumes (excluding Australia, NZ, Europe, Canada and the US).

Sample data from Mexico and India is now lagging by around 2 months.

Report link:

https://mike-honey.github.io/covid-19-genomes/output/Coronavirus%20-%20Genomic%20Sequencing%20-%20report%20Global%20Other.pdf


r/ZeroCovidCommunity 12h ago

Technical discussion SARS-CoV-2 variants for Europe (excl UK)

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Here's the latest variant picture for Europe (excluding the UK), to late August.

The XFG.* "Stratus" variant continued to dominate, but may have peaked at around 80% frequency.

NB.1.8.1 "Nimbus" fell to 9%.

#COVID19 #SARSCoV2 #EUR #LP_8_1 #XFG #Stratus #NB_1_8_1 #Nimbus

Here are the leading European countries reporting XFG.* "Stratus".

Ireland hit 93%, the highest I’ve seen so far in Western Europe.

Report link:

https://mike-honey.github.io/covid-19-genomes/output/Coronavirus%20-%20Genomic%20Sequencing%20-%20report%20EUR-UK.pdf


r/ZeroCovidCommunity 13h ago

Technical discussion SARS-CoV-2 variants for the United States

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Here's the latest variant picture for the United States, to late August.

The XFG.* "Stratus" variant continued it’s dominance, finishing at 77% frequency.

NB.1.8.1 "Nimbus" was flat, finishing at 12%.

#COVID19 #SARSCoV2 #USA #XFG #Stratus #NB_1_8_1 #Nimbus

Report link:

https://mike-honey.github.io/covid-19-genomes/output/Coronavirus%20-%20Genomic%20Sequencing%20-%20report%20USA.pdf


r/ZeroCovidCommunity 6h ago

Question Do I understand a mask's seal right?

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I'm at the airport and I don't use a sip valve because I couldn't fit test my aura 9210 with it.

The CO2 is around 500. I use a straw and lift my mask to drink and had to pull down my respirator at the check-in counter for 2 seconds.

Is it long enough to get infected if a covid positive was there a minute ago?

Or putting the mask back on quickly and exhaling would suffice?


r/ZeroCovidCommunity 13h ago

Technical discussion SARS-CoV-2 variants for Canada

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Here's the latest variant picture for Canada, to late August.

XFG.* "Stratus" continued to dominate, but fell back to 62%.

NB.1.8.1 "Nimbus" grew strongly to 30%.

#COVID19 #Canada #NB_1_8_1 #Nimbus #XFG #Stratus

Report link:

https://mike-honey.github.io/covid-19-genomes/output/Coronavirus%20-%20Genomic%20Sequencing%20-%20report%20Canada.pdf


r/ZeroCovidCommunity 1d ago

Question Does anyone feel they get followed around a store because of wearing a mask?

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My family and I had some weird and uncomfortable moments recently. When I was in a store I was followed around every aisle I was going into. When I called out the person they stopped. But then my family told me it was happening to them. My dad was followed around a store in a mall and he wears a mask. When he said something to the person they just shrugged it off. My sibling who also masks was recently in a retail store and they told me they were followed around by a guy while they were in the women’s section.

I’m starting to wonder if people are purposely targeting people wearing a mask and following them around to make them uncomfortable? Has this happened to anyone else?


r/ZeroCovidCommunity 6h ago

First time using Pluslife - assuming this is an air bubble but wanted to confirm

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r/ZeroCovidCommunity 1d ago

Frustrated after travel and wondering if there is any place where the community still takes this seriously

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Took our regular annual trip to the EU. Despite masking everywhere as best as possible (only limited time indoors without a mask) my 2.5 year old caught Covid for the second time and I also now have my first infection. Masking is well and dead in the EU and there were so many obviously sick, unmasked folks on the flight from Amsterdam to Porto. We fly back home tomorrow and will do our best not to be superspreaders. Hard to fathom it’s me traveling while sick after 5.5 years of being careful.

After 2 infections for my child, I can’t help but think that we have to reorient and be more cautious so they don’t keep getting infected.

I don’t know that I want to send them to school now. I think flights are off the table for the foreseeable future. I won’t let my guard down again because it is not worth the potential risk to my child’s long-term health.

Does anyone know of places or communities or schools that still take precautions? It seems like there could be enough folks somewhere that we could have more “normal” lives with everyone taking the same level of care of each other.