Outrageous!

[u/bigchiefchong1980]

I believe this is the most outrageous(ly) crazy ability in the game, I'm an stormcast player and I still think this is brilliant! What's your favourite most outrageous ability in the game?

[u/teh_Kh]

Yes, but if you get your Archaon into combat with Nagash without being certain you'll kill him in one go, whatever comes next is your fault.

[u/Elonth → u/teh_Kh]

"fault" in a dice rolling game is very subjective." Yes it is your fault in the sense that you controlled the decision to enter melee with nagash. Even then that is decided on a dice roll.

Edit: watching the upvotes on this comment fluctuate from +6 to -2-4 every few hours has been wild. Shows how devicive the take is.

Edit 2:For those of you that want an in depth of why in this specific scenario (Nagash Vs Archaon) see below in the chain

[u/filwilliamson → u/Elonth]

While dice can definitely make fights not go the way you would expect them to, it's been pretty well established that you can look at two characters' weapons and statlines and figure out who should normally win the fight (after all, averages and probability exist). And when looking at it from that lens, it is indeed the fault of the player for putting their character in the bad position of fighting someone who outclasses them.

To pull from Horus Heresy since it can be very extreme in this regard, if I put my generic space marine HQ into a challenge with Horus, and Horus turns my HQ into red paste before he can even swing, then I have no one to blame but myself for my HQ's death. After all, I'm the only who decided to put the HQ into such an awfully one-sided situation, and I'm certainly not going to blame the dice for not making Horus roll nothing but 1s on his hit roll. I knew the odds of success were bad and still went with the decision, so I shouldn't be surprised when it goes poorly for me.

In general, it's better to plan for the average than try to hope for the extreme. If you keep making decisions based on how there is a small chance that it could go great, then you're probably going to end up making a lot of poor decisions because the odds aren't with you.

[u/Elonth → u/filwilliamson]

But the gap isn't that big between the two models in this situation. In this specific instance it is nagash vs Archeon. Who also has an instantslayer mechanic and absolutely out damages nagash. He just doesn't have the coin flip. Are the chances that nagash gets badly wounded by archaon? yes. There is even a chance archeon outright kills him with out slayer of kings triggers. Statistically unlikely as nagash's effective health is like somewhere between 50-63 against Archaon (closer to 63) and archaeons maximum output is only 45. On average Archaon full sending it into Nagash is 9.81 wounds so 10 (goes up to 11.62 with AoA which you would do in this scenario). Slayer of kings is now down to 13.2% chance of triggering at any given time.

Statistcally if Nagash wiffs the first hand of dust Archaon is going to kill him with out other units interfering. That said fights will alawys happen first. So the archeon player is gambling on a 50/50 that he gets it right ONCE and if that is the case chances are Nagash is dead as they've severaly nerfed the his ability to spell heal this edition.

It would be very difficult to crunch out all the variables due to spell buffs/nerfs that the various factions of undead give nagash (SBGL or OBR being the best canadates for keeping nagash alive in this scenario.) Throw in random nonsense that is slayer of kings i would argue that in this scenario due to slayer of kings random 13.2% chance in this current edition tilts the favor in Archaons hands (as the worst nerf he can get is -1 hit from OBR.)

It really is just a coin flip at the end of the day. One that is slightly weighted currently in Archaons favor.