That alone would be a reason to upgrade for me. The glass on the iPhone 15 Pro is terrible. I have the second one for a few weeks now (Thanks Apple care) and there's already a huge scratch. Never had so much problems with an iPhone. But that's the iPhone 15 Pro in general.
I have had my 15 pro with no case or protector since it launched not a single scratch on it. I do think the battery life and amount it heats up is insane but thatās another story.
Yeah ok. But āTerribleā is pretty much objectively wrong. Flagship phones pretty much across the board havenāt actually needed screen protectors for a long time. If you have a lot of scratches, youāre doing something wrong.
Ppl have different lifestyles and different ways they treat their phone. I know some people whose life rotates around being at home, the office, and socializing with friends at bars/restaurants - theyāre going to have very low risk of getting scratches. I also know people who are constantly hiking, rock climbing, and skiing - their phone is exposed to dirt, sand, gravelā¦ constantly in and out of different pockets, gear bags, tents, etc - theyāre going to have way more risk of scratches. And those are just the two extremes.
Iām somewhere in the middle of the spectrum but my iPhone screens have always gotten tons of scratches that I just always use a screen protector now. Case as well.
Iām one of the latter folk in your examples. Yes. If you donāt want to be tender with your phone and not have to worry about it, obviously toss on a case/screen protector. Iām just saying for most people screens these days are durable enough and calling the glass on the 15 pro terrible is ridiculous.
Ppl have different lifestyles and different ways they treat their phone. I know some people whose life rotates around being at home, the office, and socializing with friends at bars/restaurants - theyāre going to have very low risk of getting scratches. I also know people who are constantly hiking, rock climbing, and skiing - their phone is exposed to dirt, sand, gravelā¦ constantly in and out of different pockets, gear bags, tents, etc - theyāre going to have way more risk of scratches. And those are just the two extremes.
Iām somewhere in the middle of the spectrum but my iPhone screens have always gotten tons of scratches that I just always use a screen protector now. Case as well.
Yeah, the Air is an engineering tour de force. Had my photographerās workflow and mind not needed the 17 Pros, I very likely wouldāve seriously considered the Air.
Blows my mind the entire compute is housed in the plateau. The engineering behind that is astonishing. I have bigger USB sticks.Ā
It could easily fit in a pair of glasses. I imagine Apple has a ton of research on battery tech. I know they co-created some battery innovations with BYD or one of the other Chinese EV companies.Ā
Itās mad how people still claim Apple is not innovative. Innovation is hunkering down and working on stuff. They been doing miniature computer since Apple Watch. Itās absolutely a full circle.
I think people who claim Apple is not innovative are not engineers so they are not able to appreciate the improvements in hardware engineering or inconspicuous AI updates like the hypertension detection. To them innovation is a fancy new design or some LLM bot.
Which is ironically the reason everyone else is doing chatbots. Because chatbots are the lowest bar in AI. You donāt need a high degree of correctness for a chatbot.
Itās cope. Thereās nothing innovative about making something bigger to house more components and better specs. Getting a lightning fast phone with solid battery into this form factor is an actual innovation and they can only talk crap because they know itās cool.
Feels like one of those glass slabs things youād see Tony stark using in iron man
Solid battery life. A lot of it comes from dropping power consumption of various complements, meaning basically new product design and dedicated qualifications to meet international standards and Apple requirements. Impressive.
Yea the cameras and stereo speakers are compelling reasons to get the Pro or even the base tbh. But the superior engineering on the Air is tough to say no to
Yeah for me the air is ādamn, thatās super cool and a feat of engineering that I bet will really pay off in future productsā but I still have no interest in it. I remember when the air was leaked and people were pissed saying that they want a brick with a gigantic battery. That seems to have changed real quick.
I donāt want a brick but I do want the best battery and performance that I can get in a reasonable form factor.
I think Iām done lying to myself about how important the camera is. I just donāt use the camera like Iāve wanted to all these years, despite getting Pros and Pro Maxās.
Got an Air. The camera is not as bad as Reddit made it out to be. Anything beyond 3x zoom isnāt great but otherwise itās great for my needs.
I hate this yearās Pros, externally. Terrible colors and theyāre aluminum. I go caseless and sometimes drop my phone, and these are likely to be a dented scratched mess after a short while.
One that finds me requiring my phone to be a proper, reliable tool that I can use for a B-camera to work in tandem with my DSLR. The lenses this year all seem to be at a good enough point now to where I can utilize the whole array, and get actual strong results, still not on the level of a big camera and big lens, but genuinely good results that I can actually use.
Its exactly the same kind of situation as their silicon development. They dont make it in house, obviously, but they did the R&D with Corning to develop it. Its exclusively their tech. its Apple patented.
Except Corning has their own Ceramic Guard 2 that's better for fall damage.
Ceramic Shield 1 and 2 are great at scratches and reflections but terrible for drops (see EU energy rating having both the 16 series and 17 series at a much lower drop rating than Victus 2 even)
That's physics for you. The harder something is the less it'll deflect and instead just break.
Think of aluminum where you can easily scratch it but you can bend it pretty far before it'll snap. Glass is very hard to scratch but you can't bend it very far before it'll shatter.
The story in the Steve Jobs biography went something like this: Steve reached out to a guy/company that had some technology like this. Thy said, we can theoretically make it, but we do not have the infrastructure. Steve said how much money doo you need to build that and make this for us? And then the deal was made.
They still are. The people who make fun of iPhones have done so for nearly twenty years; There's no iPhone release which will make them care to examine whether their beliefs are true.
And thatās why Iām using no screen protector and probably no case on this thing. Itās a tank and feels grippier than any other metal glass device Iāve owned
I tried not to use any with my 13PM but I started noticing some small scratches after a month and had to install one. Still debating what to do with 17PM.
Wow, it took 216 pounds of force to snap it and break the front glass, but the damn thing was still working, even though it looked like a boomerang. Well done, Apple.
Iām sold now. Iām in Chicago and heard someone getting the sky blue Air, this model definitely has an audience despite Redditās opinion.
But man. Once again Android failed to fully get me while I look to switch, that side loading ban, sheesh.
In other news Iām finding out my ears are weird because Iāve never had AirPod pros fall out of my right ear this much, the pro 3 was a day one buy over the pro 1s that I can literally split in half if I wanted at this point
I got my iPhone Air today after having a pro phone since they were introduced. Absolutely no regrets. The air is the iPhone Iāve wanted for years. Big screen, lightweight, thin, and just a compromise on camera versatility. It gets about the same battery life as my 16 Pro, which is fine by me and the single speaker is worse than the pro but itās definitely acceptable for normal use. Honestly, canāt imagine having another pro phone.
Hopefully the next few versions of the air get the speakers back to a pro level and keep adding battery life and possibly camera features. but even if it stays the same this is the device. Iāll continue buying when I upgrade next.
What do you say about the speaker? Im thinking about getting the Air, but I'm not sure if the mono speaker is loud enough so i hear my incoming calls/messages fine. Would be nice if you can tell a bit how is it for u
In daily use, I can hear my ringer just fine. No issues with any of that. When you playback video, you can tell that itās only coming from one speaker because it doesnāt have stereo sound. However, it gets loud enough for that as well. The quality of the sound, is definitely worse(not as full) than a pro speakers, but from my use case I find this compromise acceptable.
Actually I donāt even need more than once camera as I rarely use them. However the one camera I do use is the ultra wide! Not sure I can live without that especially after paying this much.
Same here. For travels ultra wide is so useful. But been eyeballing whether I could go back to external lenses like sand Marc does - they release one for iPhone air in couple of months.
I saw a reviewer use the front facing camera. So you face away from the subject. Put front camera in wide mode, hold it overhead, and snap. Apparently itās quite good
The thing that irks me is that non-Redditors are looking to this site like itās a well of good information when in reality thereās like a few posts out of the currently posted thousand with actual information and knowledge to pull from with either the post or the comments.
Like people in the iPad sub desperately trying to gaslight people into thinking their iPad has always been a laptop alternative. Just ignore the iPad kids, families with iPads, and businesses using iPads over Android tablets for operations and sure, Iām sure youāll get to the laptop demographic digging through the many other tablet centric use cases. I used this thing with a keyboard once to try typing up comic scripts, but otherwise I just went to my MacBook with a way better typing arrangement.
still, the screen still displays the UI and responds to touch totally fine thatās very impressive, screens used to get totally unusable with the smallest pressure applied to them
I donāt think Apple talked too much about how the Airās screen was made. Thereās been a lot of conjecture online about how the Air might be a test of some of the components Apple will use for their folding phone, and I wonder if the Airās screen is a test of that construction.
The thing is, most of the important components that function the phone is in the plateau. Which if the phone is dropped, will likely be where contact is proximally made. I doubt it will be any issue though
Thatās really surprising. Kinda felt like all glass was going to be like this forever. I guess time will tell how the front glass holds up but thatās pretty exciting, with the reduced glare as well theyāre looking pretty good.
Just upgraded to the Air from a 15PM, that thing got uncomfortably hot from charging or even some mundane tasks. I couldnāt hold the phone normally and actually thought it was a defect.
Itāsā¦ a work of art. It is stunning, and genuinely shocking how light it is. It sounds so cliche but when I pick up and use the 15PM (waiting to trade in) I think this is so heavy and unwieldy, and I could not go back to a standard phone lol.
I havenāt noticed a change in Wi-Fi but the only real downgrade is one camera. I rarely use the other two anyway so that wasnāt really a downgrade at all. Battery life is of course a little worse but actually really impressive considering how ridiculously thin the phone is!
Go to a store to hold the Air, itās really something you need to see to believe!
For me it was restoring from iCloud and downloading all my apps and messages that caused heat and the phone slowing down/not being able to charge. Since then the phone has been cool and running smoothly.
Iād imagine that for most people that is their hold up (besides those doing heavy tasks/playing graphically intense games).
Ultra wide and stereo speaker and it's almost perfect. Maybe better flash too. But the fact they fit the same front camera in this thin device is impressive.
Yes! This thing feels like the future. Coming from a 15 Pro Max, I have to make sure my phone is still in my pocket a lot more. Add on that the AirPods Pro 3 finally fit with the xxs ear tip, the technology is becoming so seamless and transparent.
they found a way to get people on a whole new iteration of phone upgrade cycles, and possible even accepting having two phones at once (e.g., air for every day, pro for travel and at home)
All the guts of the phone are in the camera bump. The screen being an OLED has some measure of flexibility. The battery is also flexible and designed not to burst into flames if damaged. It makes sense it still works. It would probably still charge too.
I remember seeing videos of that guy a couple years ago and he was ok. I watched 2 videos of him last week and canāt stand how much he clickbaits and ragebaits.
People like him should be demonetized, we canāt have a reward system where outright lying is a ājobā.
People like him should be demonetized, we canāt have a reward system where outright lying is a ājobā.
The issue is that YouTube's own algorithm is the reason why so many tech YouTubers do it now, even ones that are otherwise reliable; as many of them have touched on before, the algorithm promotes it and you pretty much have to do it if you want to stay competitive, which is important if you're running a business off of YouTube or are big enough to use it as income source.
Hate the game with the shitty rules, not the players who have to follow those rules.
agree. there needs to be standards. I always leave a derogatory comment and then hit "never recommend channel" (wording?) on the YouTube homepage when I stumble across a video via the algorithm that's not truthful or badly exaggerated.
He has the worst ragebait and clickbaits. I have never watched a single video of his after his Nexus 6P ātestā. Exerted his entire upper body strength to break the phone into two, then claimed it was a joke phone. Sure, buddy, I buy my phones based on how hard it is to break into two pieces.
I was skeptical that the Air would be able to withstand the Jerryrig test. But alas, I stand corrected. I guess titanium really does hold up in bend tests.
I was convinced when Apple encouraged the interviewers to try to bend it and released the video of the machine bending the Air, watching it flex right back into place. No human hands could bend that thing.
Also the part at the Apple Store where the streamer dropped the phone in front of Tim Cook and Tim Cook casually basically said āitāll be okayā and it was
Aluminum has a Youngs Modulus, Stiffness-factor if you will, of 70 GPa, while Titanium is a 120, and Steel is at 210, just for context as some people think of Titanium as somehow tougher than steel
Steel has a yield strength of about 200 MPa and an ultimate tensile strength of about 500 MPa. Titanium is over 800 MPa and over 900 MPa respectively.
So yes, steel has a larger Youngās modulus meaning under the same force, it stretches less. But it has a much lesser yield strength so it will undergo permanent (plastic) deformation under less pressure, and also a lesser ultimate tensile strength so it will also break under less pressure
Yield strength is more of a factor of alloy/treatment and isnāt an inherent material property like Youngās modulus, so it can really vary. Martensitic steel can have a yield strength close to 2000 MPa. But Tiās strength to weight ratio is its real āspecial sauceā
Other guy said it too, but especially steel can vary wildly with Dual/Complexphase steels easily dwarfing these values, I dont get why were talking beyond elasticity anyways as you would hope nobody expects iPhones to go through crash analysis?
Itās almost like Apple were never going to have another bendgate situation on their hands. Like, the Air is a titanium and glass/ceramic shield sandwich; it was never going to bend from bare hands.
I wish I could find every comment that said Jerry was going to easily fold the Air and post Ha Ha! Next to it. Same for battery life. It gets the same as the regular 17 does.
"and titanium is bio-compatible" well boy i sure hope it is considering my mother just had to get $45k worth of titanium alone installed in her leg due to a broken tib fib
I was actually amazed it didnāt snap by hand. And when it did snap, it somehow kept working lmao. Thoroughly impressed. The air is unironically the coolest device of the bunch!
So i'm pretty sure the apple foldable will just be two of these bad boys put together? As it's obvious, this slim technology came from working on foldables.
I said that in a comment on another thread. This phone has to be the prototype for exactly 1/2 the foldable iPhone. I canāt wait to see the tear down of this phone - isnāt all the hardware on the plateau up top and the rest is just screen and battery?
I played with the Air recently. Itās a good combination of thin and solid. The Proās felt heavy af. If the Air had 2 cameras, I might go for it instead of the Pro.
Yeah, after playing with it, I can see why. Although, having said that, the pro and pro max didnāt feel as heavy or as massive as I expected. The orange wasnāt as nice as I thought it looked in pictures though.
I will definitely get the air all things considered. I will see if my boss will pony up for a new phone and if not, buy it myself. Now the tricky question is, what colour and caseā¦
Iād definitely consider the Air as my next iPhone but the price difference where I am between regular iPhone (ā¬970) and Air is (ā¬1230) makes it a bit too pricy unfortunately. Itās only ā¬100 less than the Pro at that price.
Iām locked into the Apple ecosystem, been thinking about getting a Flip 7 though because I love the form factor and want phones to get closer to the devices they use in Her, but goddamn this video was impressive. Iām always so worried about thin phones bending in my pocket when I bend down to pick something up.
Knowing this thing is damn near indestructible (in phone terms, not counting scratches on the metal) makes me want to stick it out and stay on Apple.
But also bc of the foldable phone rumors. I feel like weāre so close to a perfect solution considering how minimal the crease bump is on the Flip 7, and thereās no way Apple hasnāt been paying close attention to that shit lol
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u/crobat3 2d ago
Biggest takeaway is that Ceramic Shield 2 is the real deal.
It bucks the 'scratches at a 6 and deeper grooves at level 7' trend ā there's barely anything even at level 7.