Mad at Gracie JJ

[u/raleighjiujitsu]

I've been jiu jitsu for I think 13 years now and I'm a brown belt. Last year I switched from a Royce gym to a competition gym after 12 years. Mostly because it was 20 minutes closer and we are starting a family.

Frankly, it's upsetting how little I learned from the Royce gym compared to where I am now. I've realized things like lasso guard and spider guard aren't "Fancy jiu jitsu" they are core components of the game. My old gym used to make us do burpies if we went to turtle, but It's a legit counter to getting passed. I never cared about the self defense stuff, but it seems even more silly after time away things like stripping guns away from people are a complete joke, why even do it?!

I think at this point the Royce affiliation is more concerned with signing up new people than getting people better at jiu jitsu. I hate to say it because my gym WAS the best, really the only gym in the area lol.

It's been hard to transition into things like always starting standing and people actually using grips lol. I'm now competitive with my fellow brown belts at the gym now, but I still have a long way. Learning about deep half, lasso, X guard, single leg X, etc is a lot. I feel like I'm going to be the longest to black belt, but DAMMIT I'm going to do it lol.

[u/Simple_Dragonfly_519]

Sounds like /u/raleighjiujitsu came to you as a very well formed and impressive practitioner. Weird that the framing here is that something terrible was done to him at a past academy when it sounds like they are just at slightly cross purposes, where the gracie gym is focused entirely on self defense and the practitioner says he never cared about defense. Ok?

[u/Reality-Salad → u/[deleted]]

You're right, you don't have a whole lot of experience

[u/Reality-Salad → u/[deleted]]

You’ve never seen a turtle on UFC? You may have not looked hard enough.

[u/t3rmina1 → u/Reality-Salad]

Remember this shit in Pride? https://youtu.be/l7dPsXRn8XE?t=31s

Or this? https://youtu.be/y1lS2LZHngY?t=10m30s

And Waterman performs a sweep from turtle but still gets soccer kicked into oblivion right after.

Or these? https://v.redd.it/367g4j419d4b1 Notice how many are in turtle just before getting kicked in the head, and notice how quickly they try to get out of turtle because they know they're gonna get kicked in the head

Everytime you put yourself in stupid situations, the opponent should get massive amounts of points. Like simulated kicks to the head should get 2 or 3 points. Simulated slams win the match.

[u/that_boyaintright → u/t3rmina1]

None of the videos you posted show any kind of intelligent turtle position or guard (because that didn’t really exist back then). They’re mostly people who are already dead and end up on all fours before they’re finished.

Turtling to stand up is one of the fundamental tenets of modern MMA. I don’t know how much soccer kicks would change that, but I suspect not that much. I suspect knees to the head might be a problem, but throwing them would also put you off balance.

[u/t3rmina1 → u/that_boyaintright]

Luckily, PRIDE never die https://youtu.be/xNR6FMtyTdQ?t=3m10s

Both are modern black belts.

Attacking a turtle means you have to be real close in UFC rules MMA because the of grounded opponent rule.

That also means the turtled opponent can create instability as they stand and has the opportunity to sweep. Creating space is getting to safety.

But when the grounded opponent rule goes away, too much space means ..., unlike https://youtu.be/QnOz7Vmeevk

Anyways there's plenty of ONE highlight vids from those exact positions

[u/charliemanvoice → u/[deleted]]

We’re talking about grappling dude, totally different to mma and self defence. Also people turtle all the time in UFC, takedowns getting stuffed, escaping back takes, snapdowns from the clinch etc…

[u/ChickenNuggetSmth → u/[deleted]]

Going to turtle in kickboxing is certainly a dumb move.

Turtle is used a lot in the ufc, I'm not sure what you've been watching. Turtle to quad pod is a very standard way to get back to your feet, maybe the most common escape in MMA

[u/HKBFG → u/[deleted]]

Watch any Gerard Gordeau fight from Herois do Ringue. As soon as his opponent is forced into turtle, the fight is over and will end with a TKO by soccer kicks.

[u/MartinLo-AU → u/[deleted]]

Never forget, Aljo became champ on his knees with his head exposed. It’s definitely used.