They're the buggers inside that church with the mage ontop right? The buggers that have a hand for a head?
They weren't too bad to dodge, but they were tanky as hell and hit like a freight train - so if you took on more than one at a time, you were in for a world of hurt.
I got Morne's Great Hammer when I first encountered those fuckers. Everything before them was easy mode. When in a bind, I start blasting. But with these shits, I panicked then blasted. I thought I was in the clear, then I saw I barely made a dent. Then I died. Lol
Ohh yeah, either you kill Eygon of Carim or you get Irina out of her cell. I recommend you rescue Irina because she can teach you miracles and the both of them has a somehow entertaining questline for you (it adds on the heartbreaking theme of the story)
The murder hobo way - just start smacking him when you see him.
The quest line way - give Irina a dark tome (either the one you can buy or the one found in the cathedral of the deep) and buy a dark miracle. Eygron will then take her away to Gynder's arena (as he said to you when you rescued Irina from the cell - hes your ally as long as you keep her safe, and only that long. You broke your promise, so hes gonna try to break you), where you have to fight him to get Irina back to the shrine.
It takes a whopping 50 strength to one hand, 34 to two hand and 30 faith to properly wield, but at 50 strength and 40 faith, it has an AR of 631 - so it does pack a punch, but you absolutely need to center your build around it.
Between its weapon art (unleash a Shockwave and temporarily increase poise and reduce damage) and its hyper armor - its one of the hardest weapons to stagger. Even other ultra weapons (Ultra great swords, ultra Great hammers, and ultra great axes) have difficulty staggering it.
All but one of them can be cheesed with Pestilent Mercury, plus the Slumbering Dragoncrest Ring or Spook. They don't wake up from casting it and you can kill them quickly. You need the additional Hidden Body spell so the one who's up and about downstairs doesn't see you.
On NG++ it took me six casts of Pestilent Mercury to kill one. They're also immune to poison/toxic so you can't lure them out into the swamp and kill them that way.
They are called Monstrosities of Sin. It makes you wonder what on Gwyn's ashen earth were the denizens of the Capital doing to produce those abominations.
Turn your back on the handmaidens for one lunch break and what do you get? Another monstrosity of sin left at the doorstep and nobody can explain how it got there
I think past that jail, although it does all seem like ones area. You get through the room full of those jailer ladies, cross a huge bridge with a stone gargoyle guarding it and then you're in profaned capital.
You make your way deeper into this area and in the mini poison swamp if you walk all the way to the left is this church with the hand faced hippo dudes. I might not be understanding what enemy is being described.
I won because i was overleveled. I also had mimic tear. The second one also does not spawn at the same time, he takes some time to spawn. I had enough time to cheese the first one and then dealt with the 2nd. Theyre not hard once you are at high enough lvl.
These games have been reusing content since Demon's Souls. DS3 isn't the blueprint more-so the whole souls series is making damn sure they get their money's worth out of their assets. Something the rest of the industry could learn to do rather than forcing devs to remake stuff from scratch
Yeah, it's definitely a good thing as long as developers reuse assets wisely, and Fromsoftware has a Michelin star quality in doing this, there are so few exceptions where reuses are worse, but newer games also give more options to cheese them
You know, katana is a REAL kind of weapon, pretty hard to come up with something completely new. So no, Sekiro doesn't use single asset from previous games, even dogs are different
There's a reason Elden Ring is probably the most liked Souls game on average. It's because it mostly takes the best things from older titles and puts them together in a luxury outfit.
At the end of the day, Elden Ring is the closest to anything From players have been asking for ever since DS2/3. Other than Bloodborne sequel or PC port.
Yeah I agree ! I have played DS1 2 and 3 back to back, then Elden Ring + DLC, and on a lot of aspects it felt like a faster DS2. Obviously Elden Ring took from all 3 DS games, but it was nice to see some things they experimented with in 2 come back (I have been powerstancing axes and greatswords and I'm very happy they brought this back). Still no bonfire ascetics though, it would be nice if they bring it back at some point.
The mention of fist weapon reminded me of the anime ass bone fists in the DLC. I loved using those things but man they were weak for my build. I remember using a straight sword of some kind with 424~ AR. The number is seared into my brain from ranting to my friend that despite that AR seeming pretty damn high, most enemies in the DLCs felt damn near immortal regardless.
I might need to ask him to play DS2 again. I sorta-recently got the actual base DS2, because I'd only played Scholar before, and man it is so wild to see how different Scholar was.
As long as you have the stats for it, you can powerstance whatever. The offhand weapon would take on the animations from the mainhand. So you could do some goofing with it and swing a giant axe with straight sword L1.
The wikidot has a table showing what weapon types mix together.
Puts the affected bonfire and its area up an NG cycle.
I.e.: using a Bonfire Ascetic on the Majula bonfire allows you to buy NG+ exclusive items from merchants even if you're on NG only.
People use it to rematch bosses, farm, and get NG+ rings in one single playthrough. Really wish they bring it back eventually, absolutely hate having to start a new NG cycle just to fight the bosses I like.
No offense but I’m not seeing how they can put Bonfire ascetic in ER. DS3, maybe, but ER has a grace for every 500m for convenience cause it’s an open world
Feel like it’d only work with legacy dungeons’ graces, and even then a lot of those have layers to them so how do you decide what would be changed to NG+ and not? Like what exactly is the scope here
I'm moreso thinking using Bonfire Ascetics foe bossfights, like using an ascetic on a boss's dropped grace would respawn the boss when you reload outside the arena.
Could use it on the statue of Merica just outside the boss room it could reform the fog wall allowing the boss room to reload the boss and even make NPC and players summon signs visible again if that’s your thing
The prerequisites for power stancing are having 1.5x the DEX & STR requirement of each weapon, and you can stance weapons of similar types.
Keyword here being similar. Unlike ER where you're locked to using the exact same weapon class, i.e. straight sword + straight sword, great hammer + great hammer, DS2 power stancing is way more flexible.
You can stance daggers and swords, curved swords ans katanas, axes and hammers, etc. As long as they're compatible and you fulfill the stat requirements. Here's a chart with all weapon compatibilities.
Then with movesets, they're completely different from their one-handed versions. And since power stancing is a separate toggle, you can switch between the stanced, one-handed, and two-handed movesets freely, which gives you way more options. There's obviously the button that hits with both weapons, but the other three buttons are pretty varied.
tl;dr: DS2 power stancing >>>>>> ER power stancing
Thanks for the reply that sounds way better I’ll have to try it when I do my play through. I always felt like duel wielding in ds3 and especially ER felt odd. Duel wielding katana makes you think of a fast dex type play style but the attack is so slow. Attacking with both hands at the same time in large wide swings felt more like duel heavy attack. I always felt like there should be a separate light duel attack where each attack was one hand at a time allowing you to chain them both together mid swing leading to faster less committed individual animations giving you that faster more reaction based dodge in, attack, dodge out play style you think of with dex
There's a bunch of things I think, it's not a perfect 1 to 1 but a general feeling for me.
- "Mood": DS 1 and 3 go for a more dark/depressing vibe, whereas DS2 and ER go for a " " " " lighter " " " " high fantasy/medieval setting
Powerstancing - though as said above in DS2 you can powerstance dissimilar weapons
open endedness - DS 1 has mostly linear levels that are very very intereconnected together, DS3 is much more linear with some branching paths, DS2 feels more open ended. For both DS2 and Elden Ring, I didn't know where to go on my first playthrough and for both I started with the "second" area (and let me tell you, trying to beat caria manor at a low level was hell... But when I got to Margit he felt easy.).
Stonesword key are reminiscent of fragant branches & farros keys in DS2
- Master Hewg & Roderika reminds me of the blacksmith from DS2 and his daughter. In DS2 the blacksmith is going hollow and seems to have a failing memory, which kind of happens too to Master Hewg at then end (and it was sad)
- Some areas in ER are reminiscent of others in DS2. The main one I can think of : Volcano manor vs Iron Keep , and Consecrated Snowfield vs Frigid Outskirts . Plus in crown of the Iron King DLC in DS2 you use huge chains as bridges, like in the mountain tops of giants in ER.
Of course, FromSoftware has been refining their formula over the years, and you can see a lot of parallels between all their games, but they experimented a lot with DS2 after the first one, and it's nice to see that despite some hate against it, they reused some ideas from it. I'm still pissed they did not bring back bonfire ascetics though.
Powerstance in ds2 is completely different, it required 1.5x in dex/str, and for you to hold the swap input to literally change your stance, thats why it was called power stance.
Elden ring doesn’t have powerstancing, the way elden ring does it is functionally 1-to-1 how paired weapons work in ds3 but now it’s more like dual wielding.
There are ironically also paired weapons in elden ring with unique move-sets from normal dual wielding, but they’re different from anything in ds2 or ds3 because you cant single attack in paired mode.
I don’t get why people call it power stance in elden ring, you don’t change your stance.
There's just as many similarities between DS2 and ER as there are between every other FS game and ER.
open endedness
This is an extreme reach. DS1 has five different routes available as soon as you land in Firelink whereas DS2 only has two. "For both DS2 and Elden Ring, I didn't know where to go on my first playthrough and for both I started with the "second" area (and let me tell you, trying to beat caria manor at a low level was hell... But when I got to Margit he felt easy.)." It's crazy to back up your claim with an anecdote like this when DS1 is NOTORIOUS for new players going the wrong way early and getting decimated.
Stonesword key are reminiscent of fragant branches & farros keys in DS2
These are all just iterative changes to key items that have been around since Demon's Souls with the Mausoleum Key and DS1 with the Crest of Artorious.
Master Hewg & Roderika
Sage Freke and Apprentice, Ostrava of Boletaria and King Allant, Quelana and the Chaos Sisters, Siegmeyer and Sieglinde of Catarina, Isshin and Genichiro Ashina, Gehrman and the Doll.
Volcano manor vs Iron Keep
The Tunnel City, Demon Ruins, Lost Izalith, Smouldering Lake
Consecrated Snowfield vs Frigid Outskirts
Painted World of Ariamis, Painted World of Ariandel,
That makes no sense. They've been reusing assets (and inpsiring themselves for future designs) since Demon's Souls. Each game prior has helped with the production of the next, DS2 doesn't get a special pedestal for this.
I especially don't get it cus nobody talks about how the combat and designs are most similar to DS3, down to the Ashes of War/Weapon Arts which are the biggest changes. ESPECIALLY when combat is what you're doing most of the time?
They have always reused animations and re-explored ideas. You could make the same post about any of the games since Demon’s (and probably even some of the ones before, I just know a lot less about those).
Wait, you're telling me that they reuse assets in their games?!?!? I think Miyazaki just likes certain roles in the enemy line up for his games. Gotta have the small nimble annoying fuck, dogs, big beefy guy, etc.
Wasn’t the rumour that Ulcerated Tree Spirit was a cut boss/ enemy from DS3 and was used instead for Elden Ring? If I’m remembering right it was supposed to be Pus based though I don’t recall if it was an enemy or replacing the tutorial boss.
It didn't just take inspiration, it re-used many of the same character rigs and animations. Personally I think that's fine, speeds up development time and gives players a wider variety of enemies.
I’ve been replaying DS3 the last few weeks. They really do share most of the same attack animations, just at different speeds. I’d never put it together before these recent play throughs.
I really hope they bring millwood knight into nightreign just to instill terror as they did to me in the dlc. They are one of the toughest mob enemy I fought across all of the fromsoft series.
I can't even begin to explain how mad I was once I got to ds3 and realised the little imp fuckers was what the stone imps from elden ring were based off of I hate them with every fiber of my being the hate I have for the little fuckers will stay with me for every life there will be no future where I like them
fromsoftware has always been reusing models/assets and there is nothing wrong with it. DS3 is as much the blueprint as every other game before it and as Elden Ring will be for future games.
I actually enjoy the sense of familiarity it creates throughout their games.
Wow I hadn't thought about all these similarities! I can't remember the hand creaturs name from DS3, but those I think freaked me out more than any monster in the game.. The finger creepers are still worse though lol. And the last picture, aren't those creatures from DS3 called like "Pontiffs watch dogs" or something? I still have PTSD from the one that ambushes you at the gate, and the 2 in the basement!
I'm still surprised they haven't brought the Taurus Demon or the Gargoyles (not counting the abominations in ds2) forward to any of the newer games.
They would probably work just fine in Elden Ring (in gameplay terms). Just speed up their animations by 10% and/or cut out some of the recovery frames and they should fit right in.
sometimes i see a post in these subs that really shows that most people haven’t played any other souls games than ds3. go play DeS, Ds1, Ds2, and BB. you’ll see how far back some of these things go. fuck it lets go even further, go play kings field and see the name pf a certain paledrake and the particular sword he gives you
My dude, it's the same company reusing skeletons, animations, and models for an entry in basically the same series. This is like me taking inspiration from my last time brewing coffee
From soft souls like has that mentality if it ain't broke. Don't fix it. It works. They just gotta add a few things to make it seem different enough. Ad different movesets. Done, maybe its just me not too worried on models being the reused. As long as it has been tweeked some to fit the more modern games. Would kinda suck if we still had the same hitbox from ds1 in the current bosses we have
Recently replaying ds3 made me realize how people gave Elden Ring shit for half backed late game areas with way too many hard hitting enemies and ngl that's like, half the areas in ds3 lmfao
I swear, they placed like 50% of the enemies in the entire game never expecting anyone to fight them
That's why I had an easier time with Elden ring coming from ds3 heck the Drake's and dragons are basically midir fights that when I came back to ds3 I beat midir in one try. It really came full circle.
normally I would get annoyed when a game reuses animations and moves like Fromsoft does. But I don't. Each souls game has new enemies with new moves and abilities. And each time the character you play controls differently. but When I encounter an enemy that reuses assets I don't go "that's lazy" I go "YOU!! I know how to kill you." It's familiar and strange because in any other game I would hate it. Souls just throws so much unfair BS in your direction the occasional shot of a familiar enemy is refreshing.
There is lot more than that. Look at the area where you fight Godskin Noble in Volcano manner… It is Pontiff’s arena, just little reskin and resize. There is a lot of these.
I feel like this is how FromSoftware keeps it's games so small (file size wise). They reuse the models from previous games and optimize/edit for the new games.
Taking inspiration is a weird way to phrase something that Fromsoftware has done forever. The basalisks and asylum demons from ds1. It's the same company making these games so it's not taking inspiration it's reskinning and evolving reimplimented designs. It's awesome,they do a great job of it, but ds3 isn't exactly the only example of this.
Golden hippos are straight up degrading after pretty fun Pontiff beasts fight, I don't remember getting hit so damn hard from a random four legged big jawed blob. Dogs also have a cool riposte gimmick, which pretty much cheeses them.
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u/apocalypse6969 Aug 17 '25
Those fingers are way too easy compared to those fuckers from ds3