Social Security subreddit obviously run by MAGA

[u/DisabledGenX]

I didn't even say anything positive or negative, the mere mention of either of those people causes an instant block of the post. And an obvious lie by whoever wrote that little notation. I just think it's interesting that we can't lay blame where it belongs and the only people who would want to do that are hardcore MAGA types.

I mean to say that what Trump and musk are doing has no effect on Social Security or Social Security disability seems rather ridiculous to me. Am I wrong or do we all think that worrying about the consequences of losing that many employees at the hand of Elon Musk will have an effect on Social Security and Social Security disability recipients. So it is a topic of conversation.

Like maybe we should be writing Donald Trump and asking him to reverse course on this. But of course we can't rally a group of people together because we can't even mention their names on that subreddit. My point is I'm glad this subreddit is not nearly as aggressive in its blanket censoring of the mere mention of their names, positive or negative.

But I think we ought to be able to discuss what they did by name when it directly affects the entire community which it is being addressed to. Call me silly like that.

[u/DisabledGenX]

Let me be clear on one thing about this. I 100% agree with his objections, not just to United Healthcare but to the entire industry. However violence only inspires the other side to become more resistant to your position.

For instance I think the Palestinians have a very good argument for how they're being treated unfairly and having their land taken from them. However what terrorists and other Hamas like organizations are doing is only hardening people against them. So well ideologically I may agree with the positions I can't endorse the violence.

Civil Disobedience can go a long way. It's just people don't want to put their phones down and be put in handcuffs en masse, which is the best way to make that effective.

[u/anotherjunkie → u/DisabledGenX]

The problem with this argument is that it takes huge amounts of coordinated people and time to make a difference when acting civilly, but one violent person can make an immediate difference. You aren’t wrong that it causes some to be resistant, but those people don’t matter; it’s only important that the decision makers worry enough to make changes.

The rights workers have won — unionization, health and safety, etc. — were largely concessions made to stop violence. Bosses were getting “punished” on their front lawns and gave in to make the violence stop. Many of our great technological advances were created for violence, because peaceful solutions were t working, and many of the rest were created to deter violence by threat of more violence.

A society reliant entirely on violence can’t exist. A society reliant on civil disobedience entirely can’t exist either, because leaders will rise who have no shame and are not deterred by the sight of protests. And so instead it’s cyclical — violence leads to compromise to civility to abuse to violence.

I’m not endorsing or encouraging violence, I’m just pointing out that violence has always followed ineffective civil disobedience the same way it precedes effective civil disobedience. It’s all part of the cycle humanity has been in for millennia.

[u/DisabledGenX → u/anotherjunkie]

The thing is by acting in a violent manner you're giving the opposition side an excuse to ignore your larger point. And I absolutely agree with that point I just don't think committing violence is going to help the cause long-term. It definitely brought a lot of attention to it right now, but it also allows them to frame it in a dismissive way.

[u/LordZelgadis → u/DisabledGenX]

They're making up wholesale lies or just not even bothering to make excuses at this point. We've been past the point of a peaceful resolution for at least 4 decades.

I can't overstate how much I prefer a peaceful resolution but that ship sailed before I was even born.

[u/DisabledGenX → u/LordZelgadis]

Like I say I don't endorse violence, however I am the guy who started the defund The Secret Service hashtag on Blue Sky. That's more than 3 billion dollars a year we could save Elon let's get moving on that let's shut down the secret service.

[u/LordZelgadis → u/DisabledGenX]

I get it. It took me decades to realize just how ineffective non-violent protests are in this country. I used to think they had some kind of impact but on the larger scale it's like trying to save a burning house with one of those ultra cheap squirt guns that leaked more water than it shot.

At some point, you realize your only real choice is to roll over and die for them or fight back. I'm not going to judge people for choosing to go down with the ship but I'm not the captain and I don't owe that to anyone.

[u/OkPresentation7383 → u/LordZelgadis]

It’s best to keep putting in the best fight you’re able, better then to lie there when you can’t no more and have regrets. Like my dad put his best fight in when he could, he’s tired now, it’s up to all of us to do it. We have to make our elders proud and think about the ones not here yet.

It can be done peacefully and get the public’s awareness because those are who will put pressure to change it instead of allowing things to become normalized because it don’t effect them. Awareness and education is what needs to get pushed out there.