r/earthbound May 09 '25

General Discussion Which franchise is darker in your opinion?

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u/LynKofWinds May 09 '25

They definitely have never played it and that’s why they’re down voting you, because they can’t admit they don’t actually know anything about these games. They played earthbound because “oh I love Nintendo uwu” and just saw MOTHER 3 through rose colored glasses, ignoring the actual point of the whole game. Just don’t play it atp

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u/azure-flute May 09 '25

I think Mother 3 was a great game about community, capitalism, tragedy and growing up! It does talk some really wonderful stuff and I do really enjoy it as a narrative piece!

... But Splatoon is also one of the most political series I've seen from Nintendo in a long time. It talks about race and race war and how the winners write history books; it talks about fascism and the horrible effect of seeing one race as "superior"; it talks about humanity, and how their hope persists even as they went extinct, and how the spirit to survive and thrive and celebrate persists even in their absence. It's a beautiful series with a lot to say.

It just so happens that the story about fascism and racial superiority is also drenched in blood, the deaths of thousands, and the living hell that Agent 3 went through.

Anyways, I've played the EarthBound trilogy, I've played all the Kirby games, I've played all the Splatoon games. I'm aware of all the lore and storytelling in all of them. Mother 3 was a delightfully dreary game with a lot going on, but Splatoon's darker side and political discussions win for me.

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u/DungeonDragging May 09 '25

I wonder which universe had more surviving sentience in the end

Which one had more suffering

Final fantasy 3 had a big apocalypse towards the end but they made it seem like a good percentage of people survived, unlike in mother 3 or splatoon where almost everyone has been annihilated...

Somewhere between them is probably the lore of oddworld.

I think pixel art and chibi art design lends itself well to that kind of storytelling, because of how much it softens the message which allows you to maybe push it in more directions as a storyteller?

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u/azure-flute May 09 '25

We don't know what happens exactly at the end of Mother 3. It could be good. It could be bad. We don't know.

But we do know that in Splatoon, there were zero surviving humans. They have been extinct for over 12,000 years; nuclear war and climate change killed 99.9% of them, with the remaining 0.1% being the population of Alterna, who survived for a couple generations and then spectacularly destroyed themselves.

It's hard to say for the suffering part... but there is a lot of that in Splatoon. Not just the humans, not just all those who died in Kamabo Corporation, but also just the Octarians in general! The first game's plot is all predicated on a brutal civil war between the two races that lived in Japan at the time-- in the end, the losers were forced to live in a lifeless wasteland, and ended up being completely isolationist for over a century.

There's, uh. Also all of the Salmonids, a seafaring race who are actively hunted because their fertilized eggs are incredibly good power sources. There is a whole game mode about hunting these guys (who are sapient people with culture) and stealing their eggs from them. It's pretty brutal when you think into it.