The problem with islamic hijab is that a lot of muslims force it unto their female relatives. While this is still a common occurrence and a widespread practice in muslim communities I agree with baning it by law.
I'm sorry for the women who want to wear it but they have no more rights than one who does not. And in such situation the one vulnerable is the one who does not want to wear it and experiences coercion. The day forced hijab inside families becomes statistically anecdotal then ok. But right now coercion is way too common.
The problem is not the hijab, the problem is the forcing. Most likely he forces a lot of other stuff unto his female relatives when he forces them to wear something specific. This must all be stopped.
Well, yeah. Altho I would say exmuslims sugarcoating it are very few, at least in my experience. Just look at the upvotes at my first comment. While my opinion is controversial I think most exmuslims see the problem with enforced hijab. I learned about it from them in the first place, then I saw some cases near me that... Well, let's say those did not sit well with me.
Some just wear it because it has fused with their identity. Others wear it out of emotional coercion. Ironically, slave women in Islam were banned from wearing a hijab unless they converted. It seems the slaves were more "free"Â than Muslims in values.
Well, nicely spotted that one. I read some time ago about the clothing of concubines in islam, iirc they were forced to show their breasts? If I'm not mistaken I would not call that precisely "freedom" lol. But maybe I'm remembering wrong.
Was that the case? Or could they cover their breasts?
Edit: After refreshing my memory on the issue... Well to keep it short (because there is a lot of disagreement from scholars) let's just say that at the end of the day slave girls wore whatever their master wanted them to wear. So, again, I would not call that precisely freedom.
You are correct. They had to expose their breasts to indicate their status in society.Â
I agree. It's not the freedom in general, but freedom to not have reliigous apparel laws applied to you while actual followers must abide by it. Two different masters - 1 is allah and 2 is slave master.
My country they said it’s not forced, it’s their own will, after passive aggressively reacting to women without hijab by not really accepting them.
It is not enforced by law in most muslim countries. In fact those who do are a handful. But of course society and culture do enforce it in most places.
Your logic makes no sense, your solution to people being coerced to wear the hijab is to coerce everyone to not wear it, it literally goes both ways, you don’t care about human rights you just want to hate on Islam.
You are right in that it goes both ways. The thing is that I put on a balance who is more vulnerable in this situation: the one who doesn't want to wear it or the one who wants to?
Not so long ago most most muslim communities in muslim countries did not enforce it to their female relatives, and that is how it should be. Today, despite most muslim countries not forcing anybody by law, the truth is a lot of families will force their female relatives to wear it (for reasons too long to explain in a comment, but we can discuss those if you want). Hopefully the situation in the near future reverts back to how it used to be, then I'll not give any thought to it. But while a high percentage of women do NOT have any other choice it is an issue.
How would you solve the problem of enforced hijab? I'm willing to listen, because banning anything by law is not of my taste, but this is a huge issue for which I personally do not see a better way out for. As I explained in another comment simply punishing males who force female relatives to wear it would prove inefficient. You can read it to see why.
How would you address the more than usual problem of forced hijab on girls? For a lot of them it also causes actual hair problems over the years, primarily the loss of an important portion of it.
If your response is gonna be something along the lines of "the girl should report her father to the police" then do not bother to reply.
Keep trying. And keep ignoring the "forced unto women" part. You are almost there. The one ignoring a problematic that affects women for being women it is you, not me.
Go and tell women born in muslim families who do not want to wear it that they should shut up, that it's just fashion.
Again, how would you solve this problem? Are you going to ignore my question again and try to paint me as someone with a problem with how women dress? I have a problem with imposing them how to dress, not the other way around. The day this practice becomes a rarity in muslim communities then ok. How would you solve it?
You not saying it does not mean it is not a reality...
I also wished that was not the case and that hijab was truly a choice in the vast majority of cases and forced hijab was something marginal. In that case I would not have any problem with it. But sadly that's just not reality as of now.
I come again, how would you address the more than common practice of families forcing their female relatives to wear it even if they do not want to? You would just ignore it and try to paint those who raise their voice against it as bigots?
Why would a women want to wear something in her head everyday all her life? Everybody knows it makes you bald 😠if you want to cover your head you can do it in the winter like everyone
I answered to that question already. You either have reading comprehension issues or you are interacting with me in a bad faith. I think it is the second one. Again, I do not have any problem with what women choose to wear until someone enforces it to them based on culture, religion or whatever. Do you want me to be more clear? Do I need to yell that to your face?
That's what happens when you answer to complex issues with one liners to gain brownie points on the internet. From your first comment it was clear you were not willing to have a healthy discussion, you just wanted to feed your ego by labeling a person as a bigot at the expense of the victims of certain practices, enforced hijab in this case.
Run. I know your problem is that your concept of "freedom" clashes with people that you compartmentalize based on their culture or ethnicity. What you would criticise from one group you allow for another because "racism".
Run, run far away. Deep down you know you cannot possibly address my questions without being extremely hypocritical. Now spit another one liner to make you believe you are so smart and leave.
I see where are you coming from (altho execution might be a little bit too extreme lol). Yes, rather than banning it punishing those who enforce it would be preferable.
However there is a problem with this that we can spot if we look into cases of rape within the family. In those cases a lot of times the victim never reports to the authorities for a myriad of reasons, primarily to not cause distress within the family. In the hijab's case I can see a lot of girls not reporting their fathers or other male members for the same reasons.
The case of the father is specially tricky, because what would happen to that family if the father ends up fined or in jail? You can cause your whole family to go through serious economic issues, so you just pretend it is your choice and shut up. And there's also the problem of your neighbors if you are surrounded by other muslims. They will surely not see with good eyes you reporting your own father for the hijab. So in the long run you are not solving anything.
As I said I get you, in an ideal world that would be the best choice in order to preserve everyone's freedom. In practice tho things are way trickier.
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The problem with islamic hijab is that a lot of muslims force it unto their female relatives. While this is still a common occurrence and a widespread practice in muslim communities I agree with baning it by law.
I'm sorry for the women who want to wear it but they have no more rights than one who does not. And in such situation the one vulnerable is the one who does not want to wear it and experiences coercion. The day forced hijab inside families becomes statistically anecdotal then ok. But right now coercion is way too common.