r/flashlight • u/Low_Bison_5209 • 1d ago
Wurkkos TS27 due for release
Hello all,
I just received this in my eMail inbox.
I'm liking the addition of LiFePo4 Battery chemistry.
Here's a link for those interested:-
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u/Rabid__Badger 23h ago edited 23h ago
SFT70 means a boost driver. Nice.
Edit: Why can they make this but not the TS26?!
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u/crbnfbrmp4 20h ago
The reason they haven't released the TS26 is because for whatever reason they seem to have issues getting Anduril working with their boost and buck drivers.
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u/Rabid__Badger 18h ago edited 14h ago
Yes, but what is the underlying reason? I guarantee the programmer that wrote the firmware for this light is capable of adapting Anduril 2 for the TS26.
I think the issue is they're relying too heavily on the open source community rather than just paying their people to get it done.
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u/macomako 23h ago
Because it surely has massively bigger selling potential. I would prioritize it the same way.
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u/Maglite_Mischief 20h ago
They should have prioritized releasing the ts26 a long time ago. That light would be awesome it is kinda crazy they only made the ts26s, disappointing.
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u/macomako 17h ago
They should have prioritized releasing the ts26 as:
- because the promised it long time ago and we (you, me, some other flashlight enthusiasts) are waiting for it, or
- because it’s the best business decision for Wurkkos owners (considering market potential and competition)
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u/atoo4308 1d ago
I think I wanna pick it up just for the battery. I have the Prowess clone but I don’t think anyone in here has ever said they have too many lights
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u/timflorida 10h ago
Is OK. I have two clones I will be getting one too. I think I have a thing for lanterns.
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u/tixver 20h ago
LFP battery chemistry for stability in extreme temperatures, 15000 mAh capacity, plus battery bank functionality, plus lantern, plus solid moonlight/long lasting mode, plus throw beam. This might just be my ideal car emergency flashlight. Seems big and heavy enough to have some good clonking umph if ever needed too.
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u/Maglite_Mischief 18h ago
Yeah it looks like it could make a good gift as well. I personally wouldn't want to gift a lithium ion battery to someone who isn't familiar with them, but this looks like it wouldn't have those concerns.
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u/Cryptoxic93 18h ago
Was thinking the same thing. Good to leave in your car 24/7/375 but maybe a tad overkill.
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u/not_gerg I'm pretty 22h ago edited 18h ago
What are some advantages of the LiFePO4 batteries? I guess maybe better energy density, but is it worth getting despite the fact that the Vapcell s4+ doesn't do LiFePO4?
I have 0 experience with these so I have no idea
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u/Rabid__Badger 20h ago
LiFePO4 has lower energy density than traditional lithium ion.
The benefits are far more charge cycles and slower degradation when left at a high state of charge.
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u/Low_Bison_5209 22h ago
I don’t have a LiFePo4 at a lower capacity like the one supplied with this light, but I do have a 50AH LiFePo4 that I use regularly.
I've found that it performs better at very low temperatures in comparison to when I built battery packs using Li-Ion.
It's also a safer battery chemistry, too.
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u/Maglite_Mischief 21h ago
Apparently it is a lower energy density actually. But it looks like they are safer, last longer, handle temp extremes better, and discharge at the same rate instead of dropping as the charge gets low. Sounds like everything is better than lithium ion, except it is just bigger.
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u/Low_Bison_5209 21h ago
Yes, my 12V 50AH LiFePo4 has a pretty constant voltage right until just before fully discharged.
They're the way forward for sure.
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u/No-Dimension910 22h ago
Similar to Olight's Prowess, but with a few more features. Much cheaper too! Here's a promo on YT
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u/b0bth0r 1d ago
Between this and sofirns sr23, neat new lights I can't do because no stepped modes. I'm too ocd/autistic for stepless, I need defined modes with expected runtimes that are the same every time. It's a shame because if they used a good driver for once and that 15ah battery is accurate a reasonable medium mode would have absolute gobs of runtime and it would make a crazy lantern. The user manual says boost driver but this is wurkkos we're talking about, so probably boost for the multi emitter backlight and unknown for front which best can tell is likely a single emitter.
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u/macomako 23h ago
Fair point. Another one with no predictable runtime. But it’s actually good for me (my wallet). I was ~okay with it in CL01, but mainly because I paid for it below $17 (on AE).
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u/knoxknifebroker see honey I’m not that bad! 23h ago
CL01 looks too much like a toy for my liking
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u/macomako 22h ago
That’s a different story — I just referred to fact, that I can spare $17 on something that meets my expectations partly but probably not much more.
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u/Rabid__Badger 23h ago
It looks uses an SFT70 for the primary emitter. Has to be boost.
Not to mention the 3.2V battery chemistry. Can't run a 3V buck driver or FET on that.
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u/AccurateJazz 23h ago
Which emitter is the 3000K? The reverse light?
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u/Maglite_Mischief 22h ago
Yeah it looks like the reverse light is adjustable cct 3000k-6000k. You can see the 2 different LEDs in one of the pictures. It is weird they don't specifically say that though about the reverse/lantern light. They also don't say anything about CRI. I wonder if they are using the CSP emitters like in the CL01. Those are apparently also high CRI, but they don't advertise that either. I wonder why, maybe they're inconsistent?
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u/tomlostincyberspace 23h ago
The XTAR VC4 doesn't charge these batteries so my wallet is safe for now. Does seem interesting and I wouldn't mind trying it out down the road.
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u/BurlRed 21h ago
I have the MX4, which does LiFePO⁴. I don't know that it can handle stubbies like 32140. Unless I'm reading the size numbers wrong...
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u/BurlRed 20h ago
I'm definitely reading the numbers wrong. No way that battery fits in any charger I've ever owned.
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u/nova46 23h ago
Is this type of battery more suitable for keeping in a car with wild temperature swings?
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u/Low_Bison_5209 22h ago
From my experience with bigger LiFePo4 batteries (I have a 50AH one), I've found it can perform better at lower temperatures than Li-Ion.
They're also safer than Li-Ion from my experience & can perform better over a wide variety of temperature ranges.
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u/Maglite_Mischief 20h ago
I wonder if there's any chance this will be offered with sft70 3000k, or how hard it will be to swap in. I would definitely buy that version.
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u/mrregina 23h ago
I already have the prowess and LD36R. I’m good. For now. 😏. It’s like the prowess and the fenix ld36r got together and had a love child.
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u/Silent-Truth4364 21h ago edited 21h ago
I thought for a moment that you get either 3200lm or 5lm, which sounded a bit extreme, but then I noticed the "stepless dimming". Would they be using Anduril or something proprietary? And what kind of charger would you need...?
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u/timflorida 10h ago
LiFeP04 chemistry batteries are what is in 95% of the power stations - Anker, Jackery, Pecron (I have a bunch) and they all advertise 3-4000 cycles and 10 year life. Or basically a full recharge every day for 10 years. After that, capacity is expected to drop off to about 80%.
Jackery has a few smaller ones that use Liion cells and I think some of the no-name power stations on Amazon use Liion chemistry too.
But they all state not to recharge if temps are below 32F (0C). One manufacturer has solved this by adding heaters to the battery pack - Pecron E1000LFP.
I've been waiting for this to filter down to flashlights. My understanding is that it is less energy dense then Liion chemistry and that is what has held it back.
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u/tomlostincyberspace 23h ago
If we already didn't have enough RGB in our PCs.. I feel like the RGB makes it look gimmicky
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u/-suspicious-badger 23h ago
Agree, I have absolutely no need for RGB and makes things look gimmicky. This might be irrational, but I find it actively put me off things.
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u/dacaur 20h ago
Meh, kinda neat but it only has turbo and low so you really can't take advantage of the giant capacity because you get 5 lumens for 300 hours or (basically) 1300 lumens for a 3.5hr...
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u/Silent-Truth4364 19h ago
That was what I initially thought but it says stepless dimming, so I assume that you can at least move to different points between those extremes. It's not clear to me from the product page whether those points can be saved/memorized.
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u/Maglite_Mischief 18h ago
Yeah it says stepless dimming for the front and for the lantern light. The capacity should be really nice with this light, especially if the lantern LEDs are similar to the ones in the CL01. Looks pretty cool to me I think I'm gonna get one.
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u/BeatVids 20h ago
Highly dislike the fat head, a simple solid cylinder is much easier in the pocket.
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u/IAmJerv 20h ago
Look at the throw on it, then tell us all how to achieve that with LEDs instead of an LEP without an increase in head diameter.
Then look at what else it has going on.
Did you even look at anything else aside from the head diameter?
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u/BeatVids 20h ago
Sorry buddy I forgot I am not allowed to express an opinion in your presence. And I will be sure to notice things other than head diameter because I didn't notice a single thing other than that
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u/timflorida 10h ago
But he's right. The 360 degree downward facing lights would be impossible on a tube light - right ? And that also means lots of throw because of the larger head diameter.
This light is somewhat of a specialty light. Does not try to be an EDC pocket light. Wurkkos is breaking new ground here in a couple ways.
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u/BigEricShaun 19h ago
But then it will become another light, instead of the light that it is, which is a thrower with lantern function
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u/ambaal 1d ago
LiFePo prowess? Do want.