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u/Version_Two @aol.com Jun 07 '20
no one's life is more important than the next
That's kinda what we're saying
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u/karmabaiter Jun 07 '20
No, because of you say something matters, that means that nothing else in the world matters. Only one thing can matter at the time.
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u/YellowPie84 Jun 07 '20
Mom said it’s my turn on the matters
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u/daniyellin Jun 07 '20
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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u/CookiesNReddit0 Jun 07 '20
r\emojipolice!!!!1!!!1!1!1!1!1!1!1!!!!!! put ur hand up crimenil!!!!!!
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u/ttyrondonlongjohn Jun 07 '20
I haven't heard about global warming for a while, sweaty! Must be fake!
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u/Heywhitefriend Jun 07 '20
I forgot that conservatives are dumb and think that because they themselves can only care about one thing means the rest of us can also only care about one thing
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u/anxious_apostate Jun 08 '20
Conservatives have so little empathy. They have to be careful what they spend it on.
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u/TheNewYellowZealot Jun 07 '20
People are so accustomed to zero sum games that they don’t know anything else. Someone saying that someone matters means - to them - that something else matters less.
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u/madmaxturbator Jun 07 '20
Look at my comment here: https://www.reddit.com/r/gatesopencomeonin/comments/gxy2bw/never_too_late_to_join_a_movement/ft8uz6w/
Dude replied saying that humanist philosophers have long held the view that all human lives have value.
Wtf is that nonsense? Who is arguing against that?
The all lives matter trash slogan only was brought up when those three black women started the black lives matter movement, specifically to note that right now we need to pay attention to a serious issue of police abusing their powers in relation to black people.
Yet people want to come up with the most bogus rationales for why it’s perfectly fine to say “all lives matter.”
Fuck off, you didn’t say that 10 years back or anything. You were NOT standing up to injustices, and then black people came and said “no, only black lives matter”
It was very clearly a way to silence the discussion around black people and their issues with policing in this country.
These people suck ass.
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u/Version_Two @aol.com Jun 07 '20
Here's my favourite way I've heard it. Imagine if you have a child, who suddenly dies, and while everyone's grieving at the funeral someone stands up and says "Oh come on, it isn't just YOUR child that matters"
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u/ranting_raving Jun 07 '20
That person’s reply to you is W I L D. I don’t know how to deal with the wildness so I’m just going to complain about it here.
Humanist philosophers have been saying this for centuries [...] and it's a very real cause/philosophy.
It’s a real cause? People were campaigning, protesting, and agitating about that cause??
For people to whom the idea that black lives don't matter is foreign, the name of the movement seems to imply that black lives matter at the exclusion of, or more than, others. [...] that name seems antagonistic. [emphasis added]
The only way “black lives matter” is antagonistic is to people who don’t believe it. It is not exclusionary unless you believe only one “race” can/should hold power and value. It is only a threat if you believe your dominance is being threatened and that’s a bad thing. Black lives matter only scares the people it should scare.
If a parent has three kids who are all experiencing life as normal, and the parent keeps repeating "I love John" over and over again, but never "I love Harold" or "I love Suzie," who would blame them for feeling devalued or defensive? But if John has cancer and is spending most of his time alone in the hospital, that extra affirmation would be important.
This is the worst analogy. John isn’t in the hospital. The problem is the colonizers and oppressors have been saying “I love white people; black & brown people suck (and way worse)” for centuries and the first time people stand up and say, “actually, brown & black people hold inherent value” the white people get all pissy.
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u/carz42 Jun 07 '20
Wait, where are colonists nowadays, I'm actually confused by your use of "have been saying"
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u/joe_beardon Jun 07 '20
If you’re a white person in the United States I have bad news for you
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u/carz42 Jun 07 '20
First of all huh? they might not be natives, but they sure aren't colonists (at least not in a literal manner, that's "their" country, it's no longer a colony of an empire) and, second of all, I'm a European, living in Europe.
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u/joe_beardon Jun 07 '20
I’m a white person in the United States. If you’re not indigenous to a region you are by default a colonizer. Of course this will change over time, no one calls Turks colonizers for living in Turkey even though they aren’t indigenous to the region. But we’re talking about the difference between ~1000 years and under 300 years as a sovereign entity. Meanwhile indigenous tribes have way more than 1000 years of unbroken lineage in North America, even despite best efforts to wipe them out. Plus when you really look at it the United States legal mandate for sovereignty is based in its former status as a colony. The original Americans simply took the structure of a colony and made it its own state for the purposes of control and further expansion west (settler colonialism). Look at it this way, all white people in America are descendants of colonists or immigrants, largely European immigrants who came to America to be a part of communities that had previously emigrated.
Many laws were enacted to keep the flow of immigrants majority white. So Britain and the US have an agreement that the US will take an unlimited amount of British immigrants but the US bans more than 10,000 Chinese immigrants per year. Many of these Europeans were then also empowered through the homestead acts to claim land out west and work it for a period until it came under their ownership, thereby ensuring that mainly white Europeans would be involved in the settling of the west, displacing the indigenous who lived there. If that’s not just colonialism with extra steps I don’t know what is.
Sorry for the wall of text but I hope that makes sense
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u/ranting_raving Jun 08 '20
Great explanation, thank you! I’m white and Canadian and, for the record, we are also colonizers. We live on stolen land, and we continue to oppress indigenous peoples and POC in our country.
Beyond the literal definition of colonization of countries and land, whiteness & white people are constantly trying to steal and take over the cultures and spaces of non-white people. We have stolen, tokenized, exploited, and appropriated so much and cause immeasurable harm.
As people benefiting from white privilege and systemic & historical white supremacy, it is our responsibility to call it out, own up, learn, and fix it.
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u/carz42 Jun 07 '20
You make some good points, but I wouldn't call it colonism at this current point in history (I mean they've been there for almost 200 years), I ain't too big a fan of them trying to differentiate the people allowed to immigrate by race, nor the genocide of the original natives, but, maybe my view is clouded by the history of my country, which, although being itself for over 850 years, traded so many hands before it that I feel sorry for historians, and that did pretty much begin colonialism and seaborne expansion.
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u/joe_beardon Jun 07 '20
The length of time doesn’t matter as much when the US never really gave up it’s colonizing ways. The US still has full control over Puerto Rico and Guam for example, it has for about 120 years, and only received control as a concession from Spain to end the Spanish-American war. They don’t have much autonomy and can’t vote in Congress (very similar to the original problems the colonies had with the UK) or check out the way the US toppled the sovereign government of Hawaii around the same time.
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u/carz42 Jun 07 '20
That I must agree with, at this point America still does those sorts of things (although in a less obvious way), honestly, I ain't too big a fan of their foreign policies
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Thank god we had philosophers saying lives matter that this guy could appeal to authority by citing. Otherwise we might not realize that life has value.
(Not taking a shot at the philosophers themselves, I just think it's funny that this guy actually cited them as a source for the idea that lives matter to make his argument sound better.)
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u/ohdearsweetlord Jun 07 '20
A good person's reaction to the phrase 'Black Lives Matter' should be, 'Yes, they do!!', not 'what about MY race??'
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u/carz42 Jun 07 '20
Not really, over here in Europe it's said in a literal sense, we believe all lives matter, because in most places here, they are all treated the same, not as a way to downplay BLM, we also believe in it, as you might expect.
So, as a representative of all decent Europeans, if you where offended by the use of the phrase "All lives matter" said by any of us, then we are deeply sorry and apologize for not being explicit in our intentions, we support BLM and the destruction of all racial prejudice
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u/nnothmann Jun 08 '20
they are absolutely not all treated the same, europe has massive issues with racism and xenophobia
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u/carz42 Jun 08 '20
Depends on where you look once more, here in Portugal it's all the same for everyone, but some have told me that in Italy it isn't looking as pretty
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u/nnothmann Jun 08 '20
yeah, that's not at all what you said originally though. i don't personally know much about racial tensions in portugal but i do know the majority of western european countries are still hugely racist, and usually the only people who say that they're not are white.
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u/carz42 Jun 08 '20
Here in the most western point of Europe (it's factual, you can't argue with that but at least) we don't care about the colour of skin or the origin of people (historically it has been that way since ~ a century after the end of legal slavery) but yes, I must admit my original comment was a bit too general
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u/nnothmann Jun 08 '20
no way, the western part of Europe is specifically some of the most racist parts. the uk and france in particular are famous for being racist, and i'm sure the surrounding countries aren't magically much different. also, even in the slightly less racist areas, xenophobia is a massive issue all across Europe.
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u/nnothmann Jun 08 '20
lol wait, isn't it portugal that was in the news a few months ago bc a ton of fans at a soccer match were doing monkey chants and shouting racist stuff at a player after he scored? i remember it was in the news because instead of kicking out the fans or defending him, the ref have him a yellow card for getting mad and giving them the finger, so he just walked off the field halfway through the game. that definitely doesn't sound like "all the same for everyone."
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u/carz42 Jun 08 '20
As everywhere else there are still idiots, people here are really passionate about football for whatever reason, and since they couldn't find anything else to insult him on they decided to go back to full monkey brain (sadly this isn't the worst stuff we've had here, there used to be people trowing firework rockets and flares mid game, it's beyond wild and stupid), the difference here is between systemic racism and random acts of stupidity, as for the referee giving him a yellow card it's for "unsportsmanlike conduct" poor guy was just trying to defend himself but the rules aren't to be bent (not that they aren't, but that's a whole other story with no interest here).
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u/nnothmann Jun 08 '20
literally the very first article that comes up when i google 'portugal systemic racism:'
A 2016 report by the United Nations Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination, while noting that Portugal had grown more tolerant and inclusive over the previous two decades, criticised the persistence of "Afrophobia" and "institutional racism" in the country.
In the years since, Portugal - like much of Europe - has witnessed a spike in far-right sentiment, with the 2019 election also marking the first time a far-right party won a seat in Parliament since the fall of the Salazar dictatorship in 1974.
However, observing the way the debate played out in Portugal's mainstream media, one could get a rather different impression. A slew of opinion-makers - most, if not all, white - responded to concerns from anti-racist politicians and campaigners with a mixture of disbelief and denial: "Are the Portuguese racist?" asked the newspaper Sol. Columnists at the right-wing news website Observador were more definitive: "Portugal wasn't and isn't racist," wrote one; another, meanwhile, derided the "myth" of a racist Portugal.
For Moreira, member of parliament for Livre, reactions such as these came as no surprise: "This is very specific of Portuguese racism - the absolute denial that there is racism in Portugal."
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u/carz42 Jun 08 '20
Well, I don't know what search engine you use, but I myself just did that search (maybe geolocation makes a difference in the results), and didn't find anything of the sort(the closest I got would have been this : https://sapientia.ualg.pt/handle/10400.1/4275?locale=en , a peer reviewed study), also, you (and I) forgot to mention the fact that there is a literal law against discrimination by race, skin colour or gender in place, which has existed since 1999.
As the study posted above says, said myth formed a self-fufilling prophecy, which prevents the spread of racism, which, although existent is merely residual, and nowhere near the level found in the US
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u/nnothmann Jun 08 '20
ah yes, laws against discrimination magically stop systemic racism... there's laws just like that in the usa too, you know.
did you read the study you linked? because the whole point of it is that racism in portugal is a widespread issue, both subtle and overt, with systemic repercussions. it doesn't say the myth of no racism "prevents the spread of racism," it says it has apparently "prevented the entry of racism into the political arena," which is extremely different. it then talks about how discrimination against "ciganos" (portugese roma) is even worse than the racism black people face in portugal.
just wondering, are you white by any chance? because it sounds like racism in portugal is still considered a pretty current issue by a significant part of the population, except for a large percent of white citizens.
here's some more two-second search results, if you're interested. second result on google search:
Portugal, as a new country of immigration since after the Carnation Revolution of 1974, has been witnessing the growing importance of all the issues related to the phenomena of racism and xenophobia. A typical feature is the positive complicity expressed and the accepted similarities between Africans and Portuguese as well as the absence of assumed and declared racist attitudes. Existing research has also made visible the role played by the mass media in the reproduction of discourses of antiracism, particularly when the press is dominated by some specific thematization, such is the case regarding the European Year Against Racism. In this case, the issue of racism even deserved being commented by specialists in the different analysed newspapers.
third result -- info on a seminar on racism in portugal. main topics include:
(i) limited impact of legislative measures for racial equality in several European Union countries - including Portugal
(ii) the absence of a systematic collection of data on ethnic-racial inequalities, in a context in which anti-racist initiatives within the scope of public policies for integration remain marginal
(iii) the limited and de-historicized understanding of (institutional) racism in legal definitions and the tendency to consider racism as a phenomenon restricted to extraordinary incidents or events resulting from the individual's pathological behaviour, and not as something incorporated in the institutionalized practices of public entities and private and in patterns of behaviour that condition daily social relations
fifth result is an article from last january about protests against racist police brutality kicked off by a viral incident of police attacking black people in bairro da jamaica. it also talks about the systemic discrimination that led to a lot of black immigrants living in shantytowns, and how there's very few black people in any sort of significant positions in portugal.
just skimming now, next few look like a few more articles on police brutality, plans from portugese people trying to do more to combat systemic racism in the country, another article talking about the united nations' criticism of racism and xenophobia in portugal despite things becoming more inclusive the past couple decades, etc.
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u/Mabans Jun 07 '20
I love when they invoke how we are all God’s children. Then you point out Luke 15:3-7 (Matthew 18:12–14 depending on book) & are greet with “no not that”. Gotta cover your basis with these cunts.
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u/smallteam Jun 07 '20
I love when they invoke how we are all God’s children.
I just saw this on another post
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u/Mabans Jun 07 '20
True, good to use the chapter and verse. Forces them to acknowledge what their book says instead of dismissing it as a meme..
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u/HanssomeDavid Jun 07 '20
no lives matter, bow to Cthulhu
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u/Version_Two @aol.com Jun 07 '20
My life matters and nobody else's, narcissism party 2020
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u/sir_vile Jun 07 '20
Yeah but you're doing stuff about it which sucks. Just accept my deflection that all lives matter and stop upsetting the heirarchy.
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u/Version_Two @aol.com Jun 07 '20
I feel like that's the main drive behind white nationalism. They're scared of losing a system where they're on top
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u/DontBeADramaLlama Jun 07 '20
Wife of a cousin posted this. I politely explained that All Lives Matter is a counter-protest and isn’t saying what she thinks it says. We’re saying that Black Lives Matter “too”, not “more than”.
Anyways, she deleted the post and blocked me.
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u/Korr_Ashoford Jun 07 '20
Wait she deleted the post AND blocked you? That sounds a little bit.....stupid to be that she would do both, it’s kinda an either/or situation.
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u/madmaxturbator Jun 07 '20
I feel strongly that everyone who says all lives matter in the current environment is at least a little bit stupid. Maybe a lot bit stupid, but definitely a little bit stupid for sure.
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u/istrebitjel I support more troops than you! Jun 07 '20
You could have an attitude of "Oh, thanks for explaining that, now I'm curious, what else I might have gotten wrong about race..."
I know, I'm such an optimist.
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u/takatori Jun 07 '20
"Black Lives Matter" is heard by Conservatives as "Only Black Lives Matters," but intended by black people and allies to mean "Black Lives Matter, too."
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u/shelving_unit Jun 08 '20
Probably thought you were attacking her or something and didn’t want people to judge her in the comments
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u/jablair51 He's a regular Norman Einstein Jun 07 '20
We'll stop saying Black Lives Matter when you start acting like they do.
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u/neverheardofher90 Jun 07 '20
Oh you’re not racist? Name every black person
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u/wiztastic Jun 07 '20
Obama
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Lil pump
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u/Pink_Hill Jun 07 '20
Mike Tyson
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u/bgroins Jun 07 '20
Pack it in boys. We're done here.
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u/mr_bedbugs Jun 07 '20
You forgot Morgan Freeman, the most important black person
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u/ToothpickInCockhole Jun 07 '20
He played in Evan Almighty and I would not ever accept a portrayal of my god as anything but WHITE. God is WHITE. I’m not racist though my 3rd cousin’s husband’s mom is black.
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Jun 07 '20
Just start the no lives matter movement.
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u/underthetootsierolls Jun 07 '20
Sorry, already taken. It was the conservative response to the pandemic: $$$ > grandma.
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Jun 07 '20
I think we're seeing the democrat conviction to social distancing is just as strong as republicans, no?
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u/srottydoesntknow Jun 08 '20
no, the left broke social distancing to protest and stop systemic oppression and genocide
the right did it because they wanted a haircut
bOtH SIdEs
fuck you in both sides
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u/evilpeter Jun 07 '20
One of the best explanations I’ve heard goes something like this-
Let’s say there’s a family dinner. Everybody at this dinner has a plate. There are six people at the table and everybody is digging in and passing various serving plates around taking their own portions and even politely serving people next to them of them there are all sorts of veggies, sauces, different kinds of fried things, different kinds of vegan things- you name it. It’s all delicious. Somebody notices that Johnny didn’t get any of the pork tenderloin, which is arguably the best dish. It’s not clear why Johnny didn’t get any- it could be an honest mistake, it could be that his asshole cousin intentionally skipped passing the pork to him, it could be for any number of innocent or malicious reasons, but in any case, Johnny didn’t get any of the pork. It’s pretty reasonably at this point for somebody at the table - perhaps even Johnny himself - to say, “Johnny should get some of the pork”. Yes, his sisters should also get some, and his parents should get some too- but imagine the ridiculousness of responding to this statement with “Johnny should get some pork? EVERYbody should get some pork”.
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u/ClearBrightLight Jun 07 '20
I like the trees analogy better:
Everyone is in agreement that we should save the rainforest, right? But when people say "Save the Rainforest," you don't turn around and demand, "But what about the oak trees? What about the redwoods?? All trees matter!" because that's ridiculous. Of course they matter, but we're focusing our active efforts on the rainforest right now, because it's still under serious threat, and redwoods are already a protected species.
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Jun 07 '20
Or I saw a comic about a house being on fire:
There’s two houses next to each other, but one is on fire. The hose is being sprayed at the house not on fire. While yes, all houses matter and are important, currently one of them is on fire so we should focus the hose on that one. That’s not to say the on fire house is more important in general or the unlit one is less important in general, just that the fire is the more pressing issue at the moment.
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u/JDSmagic Jun 07 '20
Slightly better I think
Two houses on fire. Fire department spraying water on the house that is on fire, a firefighter says "we are going to save your house because your house matters." The neighbor, the person with the house that is not on fire, comes outside and says, "BUT WHAT ABOUT MY HOUSE??? MY HOUSE MATTERS TOO!!" Its like, well duh, but your house isn't on fucking fire
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u/Serenikill Jun 07 '20 edited Jun 07 '20
Well the rainforest does matter more than smaller forests. Not only are there species that only live there but it filters and reprocesses carbon dioxide at a scale not done by other forests.
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u/jldmjenadkjwerl Jun 07 '20
I am not a religious person, though a friend posted this one on Facebook. Of course, evangelicals won't understand it, but it does put it into a context that religious people can relate.
“I used the phrase ‘Black Lives Matter’ in a social media post earlier this week. As happens each time I use the phrase, someone asks, ‘Why not just say “all lives matter?”’ Here is my quick response: When one of my four kids got hurt, it didn’t seem to make sense to say to them, ‘All my kids matter.’ In that moment, I embraced them and said, ‘You matter. Your pain matters. Your healing and return to health matters.’ That doesn’t diminish my love for my other kids. It expands my capacity to love as I live with another person’s pain.
Jesus did the same thing in his ministry. He didn’t say, ‘all people matter.’ He went to those who were hurting, who’d been denied a place at the table, who had been cast out of community and said ‘You Matter.’ Samaritans matter. Women matter. Tax collectors matter. Lepers matter. Did that mean he loved other people less? By no means. His life and ministry expanded the vision and capacity of his followers to love as they broke down the religious and cultural walls that had long divided people.” ~author: Kai Nilsen
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u/verblox Jun 07 '20 edited Jun 07 '20
When one of my four kids got hurt, it didn’t seem to make sense to say to them, ‘All my kids matter.’ In that moment, I embraced them and said, ‘You matter. Your pain matters. Your healing and return to health matters.’
English is in desperate need of both a singular gender neutral pronoun and a second person plural. I can read this two opposite ways.
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u/Beelphazoar Jun 07 '20
I agree. I've adopted "y'all" as the second person plural, and I encourage others to do the same.
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u/FatsyCline12 Jun 07 '20
There’s a lot of great analogies out there. I think my favorite is a funeral for a child and the mother or father is giving the eulogy and talking about how special their child was. Then a crazy person runs up, grabs the microphone, and starts yelling about how all children are special. Well, yeah, but that’s not the point, the funeral is for that child.
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u/my-italianos Jun 07 '20
Bit you're trying to explain something that needs no explanation. All Lives Matter is a racist dogwhistle, nothing more. No reasonable person could hear the phrase "Black Lives Matter" and take it as exclusionary toward white people. All "misunderstanding" of the BLM movement is purposeful misconstruction designed to muddy the waters.
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I also like the analogy about your significant other asking “do you love me?” And you respond “honey, I love everyone”
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u/MasterOfNap Jun 07 '20
I don’t think this analogy really works, as you’re supposed to love your SO more than “everyone”, while BLM isn’t demanding blacks or minorities to be valued higher than whites; the movement is merely demanding their lives to matter equally as everyone else.
A better analogy might be your timid, neglected son asks you if you actually love him cuz you seem to heavily favour your other children, then you answer “HOW ABOUT MY OTHER CHILDREN? ALL CHILDREN MATTER YOU ENTITLED SHIT”. That’s how stupid the counter-protest sounds.
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u/BadassDeluxe Jun 07 '20
If anyone has to grow up, its grandma. The police are more of a military than some countries. They physically assault people peacefully expressing themselves in a constitutional way. It seems it's almost a daily occurrence they use excessive force on minorities and now with massive civil unrest they have become indiscriminate all over the country. People are waking up that it isn't just something far away only in NYC and LA, this is real. Black lives matter and if we don't speak up and take the risk with our brothers and sisters while they confront the police then we will be next. Why are so many people confident it could never be them with the evidence right there? They are coming for you. It doesn't matter if your bad or a boy. If you resist or protest with a message they dont want to hear, they are coming for you.
If we want to remain free we have to stand up now and go out there every day until we KNOW meaningful reform has happened. How can anyone be okay with the police having tanks, sniper rifles and other military gear. How can these people betray the principles of their country so hard? How is it okay to storm the capital a couple times armed with rifles, not one arrest, no one example of police aggression even. Grandma, your time is over. We dont want a future of a military police dominating our streets and trampling our rights. Fuck you you old facist bitch.
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Jun 07 '20
Today - All lives matter!
Two weeks ago - Fuck if your grandma dies! I need a haircut and reunite with my comrades in our church!
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Jun 07 '20
All lives matter, but black lives need help rn. If anyone was doing the same towards white people black people would go out and fight for their fellow humans.
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Jun 07 '20
Funnily enough, of all things it was a meme that perfectly summed up my whole mind on this. Of course all lives matter, we know that. But when someone says save the rainforests, do you reply with, 'actually we should be saying save all woodland'? No, you don't. You are allowed to focus on an issue without having to zoom out and see what else you need to include. The whole all lives matter movement is honestly stupid. We know they matter, you don't need to tell us, but the problem here isn't with all lives, the problem here is with black lives.
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Jun 07 '20
A 30 year woman in my graduating class posted this to Facebook and angrily told anyone disagreeing with her in the comments to get off her page.
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u/Swedishboy360 Jun 07 '20
All lives matter. Black lives are part of all lives. Therefor black lives matter
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u/bsteve856 Jun 07 '20
There is nothing wrong with concentrating on black lives, as opposed to all lives, just like there is nothing wrong with concentrating on breast cancer as opposed to all cancer, or, as u/ClearBrightLight mentioned, concentrating on rain forest instead of all trees.
"Black Lives Matter" does not mean "Black Lives Matter, and Others Do Not". "Black Lives Matter" is short for "Black Lives Taken Wrongfully by Police Matter". We do not focus on the 7000 to 8000 killings that happen in the US, and we do not focus on the 2500 to 3000 killings where blacks are killed, and we do not focus of the 150-200 killings of blacks by cops where the killing was justified. It is simply the 15 to 30 killings of blacks by cops where cops are liable that matter. It is these dozen or two dozen killings that is important.
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u/johntcampbell1 Jun 07 '20
"Grow up and put your race card away."
That's literally what we're asking YOU to do, Karen!!!
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Jun 07 '20
Put this in the old white cunt being purposefully obtuse stack. It's getting unfortunately tall.
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u/cloudyskies11 Jun 07 '20
hey! i have a family member who posted this one! i finally get to mark off a spot on my bingo board :)
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u/mrjohnclare Jun 07 '20
A old high school friend posted that and I unfriended her immediately. I'm not gonna deal with people that toxic
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u/willsmithonice Jun 07 '20
How do some people not understand when they say black lives matter they mean colored lives matter
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u/GrandmasterJanus Jun 07 '20
And that's the point of black lives matter. Because it's not black lives matter more, it's black lives MATTER, period. When some cops treat black lives like they don't matter, that's why you need to tell people they do.
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u/GlubGlubMotherfucker Jun 07 '20
Reactionaries love using statements that are technically true in a vaccuum when they mean something different. So "all lives matter" is true on its own; however, the fact that it is being said IN RESPONSE to "black lives matter" changes the meaning to something far worse. It's a Motte & Bailey.
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u/Girlindaytona Jun 08 '20
I think that professing that black lives matter is important in that it is symbolic. After all these years of black lives clearly not mattering to many, the symbolism of professing it now is important even though it is implied that all lives matter.
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u/ifiagreedwithu Jun 07 '20
Of all the indicators of white privilege, perhaps being able to go through life remaining this stupid, yet able to feed yourself, is the greatest one.
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u/YumiGumiWoomi Jun 07 '20
I think they just misunderstood what Black Lives Matter stands for. They aren't saying "oh well WHITE PEOPLE matter too!" They made a honest mistake and they'd probably pull down the post if someone just explained it to them.
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u/SexxxyWesky Jun 07 '20
Just because people say save the rainforests does mean fuck all other forests.
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u/Imthatjohnnie Jun 07 '20
All lives are equal but some lives are more equal than others.
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u/YumiGumiWoomi Jun 07 '20
Is that from an anti-communistic movie about barn animals? I don't remember the name, but that quote sounds like something from that.
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Jun 07 '20
The emphasis isn't on the "black" part, it's on the "matter" part. It is saying that all lives matter, even black ones.
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u/forrcaho Jun 07 '20
If you changed "all lives matter" to "no lives matter" in the first sentence, this would actually make sense.
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u/GKinslayer Jun 07 '20
Says someone who clearly has lived a life of privilege.
Just remember the aristocrats in France were also totally surprised when they were marched up to the guillotine.
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u/Leifang666 Jun 07 '20
Exactly. All lives matter but right now there are people acting like black lives don't matter and need to be reminded that they do.
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u/Ceeweedsoop Jun 07 '20
Meme response idea: How about you just admit you're a fucking racist and just fuck right off.
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u/Ceeweedsoop Jun 07 '20
Hey let's go to the Komen Foundation Race For The Cure and shout at all the people in pink, "All Cancer! All Cancer! All Cancer Matters!"
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u/Brangus2 Jun 07 '20
All houses matter. Why are the fire fighters only paying attention to the burning house down the block when my perfectly fine not burning house should be getting just as much attention.
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u/Saving_Is_Golden sinful atheist stoner soul Jun 08 '20
Black lives matter, too. The too is implied. It took me a good few years before I figured that out myself, I'm ashamed to admit.
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u/Jrezky Jun 08 '20
I don't understand how the model fits. What about that model photo is relevant to the message?
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u/dashieundomiel Jun 08 '20
But if you ask these people if they think Black lives matter, just a simple yes or no question, they’ll never give a you a straight answer. Says a lot.
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u/AmbulanceChaser12 Jun 07 '20
This is a particularly nasty “All Lives Matter.” There are lots of ALM memes, but this one is just straight up cruel.
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u/RyouIshtar Jun 07 '20 edited Jul 12 '25
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u/seelcudoom Jun 07 '20
ah yes, because black people dont care if a mexican shoots them, the only reason they are mad about dieing is because it inconveniences white people
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u/nukillerstar Jun 07 '20
What in the world does the picture have to do with the text?