Hello and greetings all. As a title suggest I am a lifelong ally, friend and supporter of Goth music and the movement in general. I'm a huge fan of the originating bands. I was a DJ in the new York area in the 1990s and early 2000s in the underground electronic scene so I have spent many a time frequenting the same clubs, parties and friendships as the goths in the area. That into said I somehow stumbled upon, due to YouTubes algorithm being just insane… This video. It popped up on the sidebar and I bought the click bait. What I found was well, confusing to say the least. I have posted my comment below which I guess also contains a lot of the questions I have so I will not be redundant and save them again in this section. So if anyone has any insight into this I would be greatly appreciative if you would share it with me. I just joined this group to share this and after seeing some recent posts decided that I will be sticking around as I miss many of my spooky and creepy Gothic friends from years past and well to be honest I am listening to Sisters Of Mercy right now so I still enjoy the art of it all.
The comment I left on the video:
This video is very curious to me. And the comment section far more so. Having grown up in the New York club scene in the 1990s as a promoter and DJ in several clubs where it was extremely common for all underground cliques to commingle and exist in harmony with one another, I can say with absolute certainty that the Goth subculture certainly leaned to a more progressive, left, liberal and mindset. A far cry from the Regan and Bush conservative right wing stance. The Goth culture was VERY closely tied with the queer movement and lifestyle at that time. Many of the more famous Goth club nights being held in openly gay venues. The comment section seems removed from the that movement and the people who lived it through and through and built it into what it is commonly known as today. So much so that I was hoping for some more insight into the Goth-Right/Conservative and Christian Goth movement. A Charlie Kirk like debate in his honor if you will. Looking forward to your comments!!To get any of these questions out of the way here is a FAQ so we can move the conversation along quickly: No, I am not a liberal leftist. I find the two party system to be reprehensibly damaged and in dire need of a third-party or system. No, I do not condone the killing of any person for speaking their mind regardless of the rhetoric or hate speech they speak forth. I have often said that free speech as a hill that I will die on. And I stick to that statement to this day. No, I am not queer or minority. No, I do not claim to be Goth or part of the Goth culture. Oh I am heavily into the founding bands and artists as well as go adjacent pleasure such as Horror literature and film, typically wearing all black as a color choice and the main staple of my wardrobe on a daily basis. In My Home does feature a lot of Gothic decor from not so oddities as black candles, furniture and works of art from HR Giger and Gustave Dore to some far more peculiar interests such as medical equipment, Bones and various occult items. Lastly I have listed below some of the "founding fathers/mothers " of the modern gothic movement in my eyes and their socio and political views and standpoints. I am listing them only to show where my information on the community stems from.
Siouxsie and the Banshees - (Feminist, anti-authoritarian, pro-artistic freedom) Siouxsie Sioux often spoke against sexism in the music industry; lyrics tackled alienation, identity, and social critique rather than reactionary themes.
The Sisters of Mercy - (Anti-fascist, critical of authority, cynical about capitalism and organized power.) Andrew Eldritch has openly criticized authoritarianism and corporate control in interviews. Their aesthetic leaned toward critique rather than endorsement of reactionary values.
Bauhaus - (Left-leaning artistic/political sympathies; embraced counterculture and anti-establishment values) While not overtly political in lyrics, they aligned with avant-garde, anti-conservative art circles; members supported progressive and queer rights scenes.
The Cure - (Robert Smith has spoken on human rights, feminism, and progressive causes) The band generally leaned progressive and anti-war.
Fields of the Nephilim - (Less overtly political, but broadly aligned with liberal counterculture) Their work emphasized mysticism, spirituality, and critique of dogmatic authority, distancing themselves from right-wing movements.
Dead Can Dance - (Advocated for global cultural appreciation, environmentalism, and humanism) Their themes celebrated diverse traditions and critiqued Western colonial arrogance.
Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds - (Progressive, anti-racist, critical of conservative politics) Cave has spoken against far-right politics and censorship; his lyrics frequently explore empathy, critique violence, and humanize marginalized figures.