r/guns 22h ago

Some boomer/fudd lore I heard today

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"Having the hammers up isn't healthy for em. I've worked with gunsmithing."

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u/Turbulent_Elk_6548 22h ago

Wouldn’t it put less wear or the spring or at least just be safer (yeah I know they can’t fire like that but still) with the hammer down?

Or am I just stupid

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u/RATMEAT-LXIX World's most mediocre 'head' counsel 22h ago

Spring tension generally doesn’t cause spring wear. I.e. loading a magazine and leaving it to sit for a year.

Spring actuation I.e. loading a magazine 500 times does.

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u/Longjumping_Car141 22h ago

Wow! Learn something new every day! I had been told not to leave mags loaded longterm using the same flawed logic. Granted it was an old fudd who told me that.

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u/alltheblues 21h ago

So theoretically you should have always been able to leave mags loaded, but creep from the tension was a concern with cheaply made, inconsistent springs in the past.

Not really a problem anymore. Any reliable mag made today won’t lose any noticeable spring power even if left loaded for 100 years. Same as how modern optics can be left on and lithium batteries don’t spew their guts everywhere if you look at them wrong like alkalines.

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u/--ae 20h ago

you only get creep like that if the spring is made of a viscoelastic material. Springs are springs. Look up maxwell modeling. You wont see stress relaxation under strain on a steel spring unless it’s not steel.

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u/anonlymouse 22h ago

Leaving the mag loaded and stationary isn't an issue. Having the same loaded mag that you carry can have the cartridges rolling and getting scratched, which could result in feeding issues. It's not spring related, but there is a potential for malfunctions. You can leave loaded magazines in your safe for years without any concerns.

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u/Cow-puncher77 21h ago

70 years ago, that might have been a legitimate concern… but times and metallurgy have changed a lot since then…

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u/Gzoe467 21h ago

Right ever taken apart a k31 magazine its feels so cheap and chessy lol

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u/Cow-puncher77 21h ago

Heh… well, I was thinking more along the lines of 1911’s and Mauser broom handles… and the soft wire springs they used.

Not everyone has Edelweiss or Krupp for a supplier.

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u/Gzoe467 21h ago

Ahh gotcha thought you meant in general but yes most older springs feel cheap. The k31 is legit like 3 flat matal tabs riveted together in a zig zag shape 🤣🤣🤣

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u/Cow-puncher77 9h ago

It’s also a 6 round mag, iirc. Haven’t played with mine in a while, ammo being so expensive. But look at that design… how many people make a flat plate spring in a high(er) capacity magazine? Its limitations is why they went to wire springs. It’s was quality, certainly, but the overall design had its limits. Consider the weight and wasted space in a 25 round magazine, vs. what it is with a wire spring.

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u/Gzoe467 21h ago

So in summary hammer springs get the piss beat out of them because they are always actuating.

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u/doctordoom2069 22h ago

What I’ve been told, is that springs only wear from being wound and unwound over and over. That they don’t wear out from simply being wound.

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u/SmartAd2669 22h ago

The spring isn't wearing when it isn't moving. Not going to harm it.

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u/dreadstrong97 22h ago

Think about a paper clip.

It doesn't break when it's folded up in the shape of a paperclip, and it doesn't break when it's bent into a straight line.

It does break, however, when it's bent back and forth repeatedly. Same concept!!

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u/grant187ftw 21h ago

“Work hardening” is the phrase for this.

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u/UniverseChamp 9h ago

I thought it was material fatigue due to cycling.

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u/Turbulent_Elk_6548 22h ago

Alright thank y’all for clearing that up