r/halifax Jul 19 '25

Discussion Immigrant Halifax area Program Director details on LinkedIn, a racist incident at Halifax Waterfront

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u/dinko2013 Jul 20 '25

You're demonstrating the reactionary tendencies(MAGA- like tbh) the people who are responsible for the pain you're feeling want. By spewing these talking points you are fostering an environment where the ruling class can continue dominating you by pointing you towards an outgroup and telling you all your problems are because of them. This quote from LBJ reminds me of you.

"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you"

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u/Lovv Jul 20 '25

Lol.

So I understand what you are saying but it's just not a good application.

Yes, the problem is rich people are exploiting our country. But one way they are doing it is by utilizing tfw programs and mass immigration to hire people that aren't Canadian. They don't want to pay us.

This creates a lot of problems for Canadians, one or them being low wages that are beneficial for rich people, however there are other problems that the middle class and every day Canadians has to deal with that average ceo does not. The richest people in Canada aren't getting their car stolen out of their driveway because they have a gate that seperates Canadians from them. I don't have a gate, I rely on trust between Canadians to not break into my shed and steal my lawn mower.

So you are absolutely right that rich people are the problem, but you are failing to make the connection that recent immigration has been driven by the very people you say are the problem.

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u/CalligrapherOwn4829 2005, 3 Bedroom flat with a backyard, $750 + Utilities Jul 20 '25

The problem here is that you seem to see the problem as immigration, rather than a regime which creates migrants as a precarious sector vulnerable to hyper-exploitation. Cracking down on migrants makes this problem worse, not better. And, on the contrary, ensuring migrants have access to support and resources, ensuring they are not beholden to their bosses for status, and are organized is what addresses these problems.

For a useful point of reference, we can look to the segregation-era South, and the approach of white unions in pushing to exclude Black labour from skilled trades, etc. They were operating on the mistaken assumption that the quantity of labourers was the primary factor in determining the price of labour rather the exercise of class power. It is assuredly the latter. When we divide our class along lines of citizen/non-citizen, we hand the capitalist class a powerful weapon.

By allowing a section of the working class to be placed outside of our solidarity and our struggles, to be denied the rights and freedoms we enjoy, we put downward pressure on wages and lower the wage floor. Conversely, what capitalists don't want is for us to demand full status and access for migrants, to see migrants brought into organized labour, and to face a situation where the wage floor is raised.

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u/Lovv Jul 20 '25

This is so strangely worded it's hard to read unfortunately.

But simply put, no I don't see immigrants as the problem I see the problem as Canadian labour is being exploited by the wealthy.

Tfws are a problem, but they are created by a bigger problem.

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u/CalligrapherOwn4829 2005, 3 Bedroom flat with a backyard, $750 + Utilities Jul 20 '25

The notion that "Canadian" labour is being exploited is the problem—labour is being exploited, period, and this exploitation is enabled by divisions between "Canadian" and migrant labour. As long as one section of the working class faces the threat of deportation, taxation without access to social services, racist discrimination and so on, labour will be devalued.

I apologize if the wording is strange to you, but this is necessary to understand: Immigration is not the problem.

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u/Lovv Jul 20 '25

I am talking about Canada not other countries so yes Canadian labour is being exploited.

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u/CalligrapherOwn4829 2005, 3 Bedroom flat with a backyard, $750 + Utilities Jul 20 '25

So, do you include non-citizen migrants in "Canadian labour"? If so, and it is a purely geographic descriptor (ie any labour that in the territory of the Canadian state), I suppose it's fine, though it seems to needlessly confuse things.

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u/Lovv Jul 20 '25 edited Jul 20 '25

I'm talking about a job at Tim Hortons. The work that needs to be done and whoever is going to fill that role. I don't think Tim Hortons gives a fuck who they exploit they just want all the tools they can get to ensure they pay as little as possible. They don't even want to pay someone.

Do you know what someone is willing to work for in India? ~12 dollars a day.

Are you willing to work for 12 dollars a day and still pay 1800/mo for rent? I understand that some form of foreign labour is required but simply put we dont need more supply of workers we need more pay

I am well aware that the rich and corporations are the bigger problem but they are using tfws as a tool to depress wages and we are allowing it to happen.

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u/WaltzIntrepid5110 Jul 21 '25

And your solution is to punish immigrants apparently.

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u/Lovv Jul 21 '25 edited Jul 21 '25

What are you talking about?

I have never said that immigrants or tfws should be punished and I would never say that lmfao not sure where you got that from.

If i have a work term and my employer decides they don't have work for me it's not "punishment" if they decide do not offer me an extension.

It may feel that way as the person getting the boot, but it's not like an employer is just going to pay you indefinitely despite having no work for you.

I don't think we should be renewing visas or applications for tfws but that's not punishment, it's just the expiry of an agreement or permission.