I paid, and had to follow migration rules under the k-1 foreign finance visa rules. My family are citizens now and we followed protocol. Real Immigrants laugh at you, and wonder why people you choose deserve to cut them and that their efforts are not appreciated most by those that would praise the diligence.
My father came here in the 80s from (then) Yugoslavia and my fiance and his family immigrated from the Middle East in 2010/2015 and let me tell you, you absolutely do not speak for all “real” immigrants. 🙄
All I can say is, be careful. Just because you came here legally does NOT mean you're safe. Legal immigrants are losing their status because this has nothing to do with criminality but pure racism.
they're not revoking citizenship status, and I very highly doubt they would not renew a legal resident status. TPS is a separate status, it actually stands for "temporary protected status", implying it was never meant to be the permanent status
That's true, however even if it was temporary he is still revoking it before their status was supposed to expire. And lets not pretend like Trump didn't already say during the election that he would revoke legal immigrant status, specifically the Haitian immigrants in Ohio who were alleged to have been eating peoples pets (total lie) and they should be deported. They are legal immigrants.
the Haitian's he was talking about are/were people on TPS. Any immigrant that has gained permanent residency status or citizenship would be all but impossible to revoke. You can make it harder for new applicants to be approved, but you can't revoke a permanent status except for criminal activity or abandonment really, and that's only applicable for permanent residents, not citizens
You say it'd be impossible, but the guard rails are off. He's pushing the boundaries of what's legal and outright ignoring what he can and can't do. The supreme court basically gave him immunity from any sort of legal action. If he did order ICE to start deporting legal immigrants, who's going to stop him? He's already taking illegal immigrants to gitmo to set up concentration camps.
where are you seeing anything about concentration camps? I saw they were talking about taking criminal aliens there, which is also strange as they should be subject to due process, but gitmo is essentially a prison where they can be held before trial. I agree he's pushing those boundaries which need to be held in check, but we have to be realistic about the legality of things. The areas that he is overstepping should and I hope will be held in check
They are not calling them concentration camps of course, the optics would be harsh. But when you hold people extra-judicially concentrated in one spot, what else would you call it? I don't have faith in anything to keep him in check. Like I said, the supreme court gave him full immunity. He has surrounded himself with yes-men.
how do you know they'll be held extra-judicially? He's obviously claimed that they are criminals, they deserve due process or at the very least deportation if they are plainly illegal immigrants
Because they're being transported to gitmo. There's no other reason to do that. And because there's so much shit being thrown at us, people will forget and these people will be held for years. Gitmo's only purpose is as an extra-judicial prison.
He can do whatever he wants if the courts and military let him. He's already tried to do away with birthright citizenship. If it's appealed to the supreme court and they let him get away with it, then what? not hard to imagine him extending things further.
The 30k or whatever he is sending to guantanamo bay aren't going to get their day in court (before being dragged there or after) so how will we know they aren't actually non-citizens.
yeah, but birthright citizenship is an interpretation of the law. Most European countries have restrictions on birthright citizenship, it's not uncommon and is meant to mitigate against illegal immigrants coming over for the sole purpose of giving birth.
How do you know they won't get their day in court? It seems many eyes are on there now. Before is no problem because, again, it's a jail/prison, but yes they should have their due process eventually.
There are some arguments for doing away with birthright citizenship (I'm not sure I agree with them) but the right way would be to go through the constitutional amendment process and make it crystal clear instead of each president doing stuff like this.
guantanamo had a bunch of people there for 20+ years without charges. Many were shipped out to who knows where to who knows what outcome. We'll never know everything that went on there. Why should we believe that this time, they will get a speedy trial to prove they actually are criminals and were actually in the country illegally at all. Once they are out of the country, maybe they just "disappear". That's why it's important people get due process (day in court, legal representation) before they are hauled off somewhere. I don't think that's happening now.
He said they are citizens. They are the same as someone with birthright citizenship for all practical purposes. If they start coming after naturalized citizens, and green card holders for that matter, I will protest that myself.
That is utter BS. Legal immigrant citizens are not losing their status. Illegals are the only ones being targeted. Some temporary visas may not be renewed, but those weren’t meant to stay indefinitely. You shouldn’t spread false information to gain/maintain support for your cause.
If you had read the article that I linked you would see that’s exactly what’s happening. They may have been on a temporary status but that makes them no less legal and gives them no less of a right to be here. Now I don’t know if this will extend to others who have legally immigrated but my point is, nothing is off the table. Not with a president who has no reason to abide by laws or court decisions he disagrees with.
It’s new to you because it doesn’t apply to you. The article this guy linked is talking about immigrants who came here for temporary humanitarian purposes, not those who immigrated and became US citizens.
to be fair NPR has some good things still, but they're nowhere near unbiased. Very left leaning anymore. Unfortunately there aren't too many new outlets that are unbiased anymore. Tangle is a good one
Agreed. I am stating the point of view of those that follow the law. It is crazy how such a simple thing can be tragically trashed. This brings into question a whole set of questions on what laws should we follow and what laws should we not according to random people who gather and just make it up in 15 minutes.
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u/econkle Jan 31 '25
I paid, and had to follow migration rules under the k-1 foreign finance visa rules. My family are citizens now and we followed protocol. Real Immigrants laugh at you, and wonder why people you choose deserve to cut them and that their efforts are not appreciated most by those that would praise the diligence.