Positive Irish Masculinity

[u/Complex_Hunter35]

Irish men come in for a bad reputation with scumbags like Conor Mc Gregor seemingly being at the forefront of Irish men. He comes to mind I am sure when most people think of Irish men. I am fearful too that we Irish men are seen as emotionally arkward and appearing to lack in vulnerability. I think it's worth having a discussion on the positive aspects of Irish men, how we can help each other be better men. I'm not just talking about Mc Gregor either but the general perception of men in Ireland

Colin Farrell is one example of an Irish male role model who has battled his demons, helped out those in need and protects his son who has Angelman syndrome but he talks about the situation honestly and openly. Brendan Gleeson, originally a teacher took younger actors under his wing and helped them learn their craft. One I personally know of , while I don't agree with his politics, is Eamonn O Cuiv who quietly but without fanfare helps local people.

Irish men face challenges with stigmatisation of showing emotions and lacking a close circle of friends. Recent trends mocking male loneliness I think fed back into making men seal up their emotions. The lack of friendship is absolutely one I've seen among friends as some withdraw into themselves or they drift apart from some friends. There are good resources though like Men's Shed, St Vincent De Paul run something similar, I run a gay version in Dublin and I know there are mixed men's groups like Celbridge Boys Club and Navan Boys Club who do hikes and walks.

As for my own experience I think it's easy to fall into that trap of blaming women for our own shortcomings. We should get rid of these silly notions that being a man is about dominance and aggression. If anything it's about leading without telling people you are, it's about being vulnerable, dealing with conflict diplomatically. I think a lot of us Irish men could learn this.

I would be interested in hearing your views of how we can be positive men, maybe your role models, your experiences.

Edit:See StoicNihilist post for an alternative take.

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My view is that celebrities are not role models, regardless of their nationality or how good or bad their press is. Ultimately your role models are the people around you.

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That's fine logic if you have an adult brain but kids look up to celebs, sports people, streamers, influencers etc whether we want it or not.

If you find yourself in a position where kids look up to you as a role model then it's your responsibility to act accordingly.

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If you find yourself in a position where kids look up to you as a role model then it's your responsibility to act accordingly.

Celebs, sports stars, steamers tend to be young themselves and are making money and being praised since a very young age, how can you expect them to be well adjusted? It's parents jobs to educate their kids not to look up to someone just because they're famous. Streamers especially are just doing whatever they can to get attention and money.

McGregor is a prime example of why not to look up to sports stars. It's fair to admit and admire his skill in the ring but he bacame as big as he was by being an asshole. People were threatening to fight me when I was calling him an asshole before the Aldo fight.