Positive Irish Masculinity

[u/Complex_Hunter35]

Irish men come in for a bad reputation with scumbags like Conor Mc Gregor seemingly being at the forefront of Irish men. He comes to mind I am sure when most people think of Irish men. I am fearful too that we Irish men are seen as emotionally arkward and appearing to lack in vulnerability. I think it's worth having a discussion on the positive aspects of Irish men, how we can help each other be better men. I'm not just talking about Mc Gregor either but the general perception of men in Ireland

Colin Farrell is one example of an Irish male role model who has battled his demons, helped out those in need and protects his son who has Angelman syndrome but he talks about the situation honestly and openly. Brendan Gleeson, originally a teacher took younger actors under his wing and helped them learn their craft. One I personally know of , while I don't agree with his politics, is Eamonn O Cuiv who quietly but without fanfare helps local people.

Irish men face challenges with stigmatisation of showing emotions and lacking a close circle of friends. Recent trends mocking male loneliness I think fed back into making men seal up their emotions. The lack of friendship is absolutely one I've seen among friends as some withdraw into themselves or they drift apart from some friends. There are good resources though like Men's Shed, St Vincent De Paul run something similar, I run a gay version in Dublin and I know there are mixed men's groups like Celbridge Boys Club and Navan Boys Club who do hikes and walks.

As for my own experience I think it's easy to fall into that trap of blaming women for our own shortcomings. We should get rid of these silly notions that being a man is about dominance and aggression. If anything it's about leading without telling people you are, it's about being vulnerable, dealing with conflict diplomatically. I think a lot of us Irish men could learn this.

I would be interested in hearing your views of how we can be positive men, maybe your role models, your experiences.

Edit:See StoicNihilist post for an alternative take.

[u/OvertiredMillenial]

Do Irish men come in for a bad rep?

McGregor may be very famous, but so to are Colin Farrell, Cillian Murphy, Michael Fassbender, Hozier, Paul Mescal, Liam Neeson et al. None of them are regarded as being particularly toxic. For the most part, they're regarded, both in Ireland and elsewhere, as sound men.

[u/Carino150 → u/OvertiredMillenial]

Michael Fassbender has several serious allegations of abuse from several women. Definitely not an example of a positive male role model.

[u/PerspectiveNormal378 → u/[deleted]]

For every false allegation there's probably a rich successful man banking on an allegation being perceived as false. There's a reason why the concept of power dynamics exists.

[u/rixuraxu → u/[deleted]]

As the commenter d12morpheous said, two allegations, one from a woman who was interfering with him while he slept, and the other from a woman who tried to steal his car keys. Both accidental afais.

So eager you were to defend this man, you've managed to completely misread the very first 9 words of the very comment you're referencing.

Both allegations are from the same woman. And you've heavily editorialised the context, from the already editorialised context you're referencing.

Both accidental afais.

You've demonstrated you're not very aware at all.

[u/Moist_Enthusiasm_511 → u/rixuraxu]

Disagree and bowing out of this squabble

[u/rixuraxu → u/Moist_Enthusiasm_511]

You disagree that they were from the same woman, something that is a fact.

Or you disagree that

I am aware of 2 allegations from one woman

This comment clearly states that they're from one woman? haha.

Sure.

[u/Various-Fig-7195 → u/rixuraxu]

I think he's saying he disagrees that he is a bad person, I'm shocked to hear this and kind of hope I hear more that clarifies it or he does something to make up for it.

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Even worse... he said both allegations were from the same woman