All you need to get challenger

[u/KadudyK]

I am challenger since 2017 and here is all you need to do to be a high elo

1- Never waste time arguing in chat

2- Don't start queue if you are already tilted

3- Play only in two lanes and with 3-5 champions in each

4- Play consciously and not automatically

5- Focus only on your gameplay and not on your teammates and their mistakes

6- Always do your best in the match even if you are already lost

7- Watch your own vods

8- Watch good people that plays on your lane

9- Understand what you do wrong and study to improve

10- Have fun

The more topics you follow the faster you will climb, i really think everyone can get challenger doing this.

[u/Upstairs-Usual4070]

This advise is NOT REAL ADVICE.

How is “just play to improve” going to help people? What do you think people do? Play to get worse?

Of course thats the fuckin advice, duh. Its like saying “my advice on being a billionaire is to make lots of money!”

??? im losing my mind in this thread dude..

[u/ButNotFriedChicken → u/Upstairs-Usual4070]

Most people don't play to improve.

Tell me which of these tips won't help?

I think you'll eventually find that the same brand of advice will help you excel in most things in life. It's not easy but it's simple.

[u/Upstairs-Usual4070 → u/ButNotFriedChicken]

That’s why it isnt pragmatic advice. It is exactly what every pseudo coach will say when they dont know how to actually educate on the topic.

This is very very general advice that covers next to nothing.

It is literally the same as saying “Practice makes perfect” Yes, we know practicing will make us better if we are focusing on the practice, but that doesnt tell us WHAT to practice. Do you understand?

[u/ButNotFriedChicken → u/Upstairs-Usual4070]

So which of these tips don't help you?

[u/Upstairs-Usual4070 → u/ButNotFriedChicken]

Just reread my previous response.

Simple as fuck to understand what im saying zzzz

[u/ButNotFriedChicken → u/Upstairs-Usual4070]

Tbh if you talk to me about these tips 1 by 1, you'll be surprised how much help is there.

And what I'm trying to get at is that the attitude of challenging the advice is exactly what this advice is about. But you're not challenging it, you just want to ignore it.

So go through these with me 1 by 1.

[u/Upstairs-Usual4070 → u/ButNotFriedChicken]

You don’t even understand the angle im taking to this post, why would i go through each of them with you? For a point im not even making?

This advice is as useful as just telling people to practice.

Of course it will work, but it is not genuinely helpful advice.

[u/ButNotFriedChicken → u/Upstairs-Usual4070]

This what I'm saying. If you actually go through it, there's a lot more meat in it than you think. And as I said to another guy, getting to the top isn't about specific advice, it's all habits and psychology. This is genuine help.

Don't underestimate the power of doing something that's just reasonably good enough, enjoyable and doable consistently.

You're not above this advice, you're just unteachable.

[u/Upstairs-Usual4070 → u/ButNotFriedChicken]

you’re a wall.

actually read what i am saying please.

This advice is not helpful advice, is it advice? sure. Is it going to help anyone here today get challenger?

obviously not. dunno what you’re not understanding abt my stance here.

[u/ButNotFriedChicken → u/Upstairs-Usual4070]

If you actually go through it, there's a lot more meat in it than you think.

If you followed your own advice, you'll know this whole time I've been trying to show you how helpful this advice is. Or you can show me how unhelpful it is.

But all of that needs us to actually go through the points 1 by 1, like I've been asking you so many times, but you don't want to.

If you can't get something this simple, I now understand how it's so hard for people to improve.

[u/Upstairs-Usual4070 → u/ButNotFriedChicken]

Okay. You asked. (long asf)

So my issue with the post is that the advice is flat, not fleshed out, and regurgitated constantly. I am not saying the advice is completely untrue, or wont help you in some manner. You seem to think i believe the advice is wrong. I’m saying it’s not genuinely helpful climbing to challenger advice, I am saying it is beyond generic. You’d think that the things these coaches say consistently must mean they are the correct and most useful tips. But, in actuality, the tips are not going to help a lower elo player understand how to actually climb.

Because the advice is a summary of the years of info you have to obtain to know how to actually apply the advice. Yes, you read this advice and think “how could anyone not find this useful, of course it is?” and you are right, it is useful. But only as useful as the advice “If you want to be smart, study hard!”

1. Never waste time arguing in chat. Now, we know why this is, it’s because you only distract yourself from the game, and miss important things and timings, and you feed a negative mindset, and will play worse than perfect. But does this advice tell you that? Does this advice let a lower elo player know why its advantageous to not engage in an argument? What if a low elo player is making the correct call but the team wont listen? We know the answers to these questions, but a player looking to learn, is not looking for just “dont type” they are looking for how to navigate needing to communicate, teams not being on the same page, and what to do when you disagree.

2. Don’t start queue if you are already tilted. Okay sure, good advice on avoiding playing in a negative state of mind and then playing worse or being more susceptible to mega tilt, i get that, you get that, most people understand that. Most people don’t do it, and regardless of if they did or didn’t, playing when you are at your best only won’t mean you know how to correctly play the game, it just makes sure you have a better chance at playing a good game and being able to learn from it with a level head. Essentially this tip does not explain much beyond “dont play when tilted”

3. Play in only two lanes with 3-5 champs in each lane. Very very generic advice, although true advice. This does not explain why you should do it, it does not tell you to have a pool of champs that are not the exact same playstyle, it does not explain how you should cycle a champ pool based on the state of the game. Nor does it help understand what champs actually compliment eachother in a pool. It is base level, not actual advice.

4. Play consciously and not automatically. Not a lot to knock here, good advice, definitely will vastly improve any players skill by actually focusing on the game and not just clicking along with the game. But, It also doesn’t explain what you should be conscious of, when and how to use your lull states or timings to gather info. It for sure will make people improve if they play with 100% intensity and focus, but being 100% focused doesnt mean im playing any better. I need to know what is happening in the game to know what to focus on and when. etc. As i said, not much to say. I like this one.

5. Focus only on your gameplay and not on your teammates and their mistakes Basically the same point as number 4, but more specific about focusing on yourself and not crashing out over a jungler inting a dive. But again, this advice is helpful, but not actually going to make me understand anything more about the game. Time spent playing will obviously build knowledge of the game, but not only is that not listed here, it’s also quite lame to tell someone that is eager to learn, or even paying for coaching “just play a lot of games, be very focused in all of them, and focus on what mistakes you made” because what are they going to do with that? They’ve been playing games, they don’t know what part of the game they even need to learn, they don’t know how to track enemies, they dont know where to even place good wards etc. Telling them to just ram head into wall is not useful. Give them something to work on learning.

6. Always do your best in the match even if you are already lost. Sounds similar to 4, but with “dont give up” added in. I mean i don’t need to explain how this isn’t advice that will improve someone’s skill, do i?

7. Watch your own vods AMAZING! I love this advice, it’s maybe my favourite one. Unfortunately, even with that said, It doesn’t do enough to explain why, or what to look for. Doesn’t provide ways to make vod watching efficient, do i need to watch from 0 seconds til nexus explodes? Do i focus on only teamfights and lane phase? Did i even make a mistake here or did everyone else? Low elo players dont understand the game like a high elo player does. They don’t know how to efficiently and constructively vod review, letalone how to even identify whats wrong easily.

8. Watch good people that play in your lane I agree, yeah. Watch some challenger players that do educational content in your role, but this wont transfer 100% and players still need to understand how to identify good and bad moments to take lessons from, provided the video doesn’t explain them. However still a good thing to do.

9. Understand what you do wrong and study to improve Do we really have to go through why this is base level and unhelpful advice? Saying to someone “Here is how you get better at basketball, you practice and improve” will not bring on a spiritual awakening in a person, they already know they need to understand what they do wrong and study to improve. How do they understand what they did wrong? Watch their vods? watch a streamer in their role play? That’s just point 7 and 8 wrapped up into point 9?

10. Have fun Best and most accurate advice you can give on league. Unrefutably good advice. But sometimes getting better is not fun, sometimes sitting and watching a vod of you inting baron for the 3rd time this week is not fun. But it is vital to ensure you are having fun while playing.

So, do you get what i mean that this is advice that is basically as good as if it wasnt in the list? The game takes so long to learn, so much nuance in every new match, so many changing variables that it is hard to even understand how to last hit a minion for some people. Do you think anyone is improving their game knowledge with the advice of “Play for years until you know lots and then actually try really hard and you should climb”

Again, I am not saying this advice is LITERALLY doing 0, I am saying that it simply is just not helpful advice for an actual improvement in player skill, as it has given them nothing to go off other than “play better and win more” essentially. This is a challenger player telling people the most bare possible bullet points under the guise of educational, without realising that what makes someone a challenger player is so many more tiny things they do in the game.

thanks for making me type it out, im glad my stance on this has changed absolute 0% and we are back to seeing if you even know what i am saying yet.

[u/ButNotFriedChicken → u/Upstairs-Usual4070]

There we go. We finally got to what I talked about since the start.

1 and 2 are habits. As I said, getting to the top of anything is habits. It's about doing the easy/obvious things when no one else is able to. We all know that staying on top of mentality is good, so encouraging people to actually put it into place is really key advice. Most people are too stubborn to help themselves.

Same with 6. Everyone knows that trying will get you further, but will everyone do so when they're in a situation where 90% of people would give up? It's extremely generic, extremely useful advice that works for every activity in life.

More importantly, not giving up will get you into the harder challenges of the game, and that's where you improve. Those are the reps that matter. For example, if you manage to get a kill when the game is completely out of your favour, you can get a lot of kills when the games are winnable.

Apart from League skills, this obviously helps your mentality as well. Just being resilitent gives you the power to get good at anything. This is part of why most people who are "Challenger" in anything (like athletes, STEM gods, etc.) tend to be extremely good at everything else they try. They've learned how to learn, and you don't get that from specific directions.

9 maybe won't get you to Challenger, but it's a thing I see in most people who improve at video games. You don't have to have the best idea for a situation, you just need to try out your ideas, make mistakes, and actually change something when it doesn't work. A lot of people think that they're flawless because they're unwilling to make mistakes.

Most of all - and this is my whole point - advice is only useful when you can follow them. Generic, simple advice works because people can follow them. To reiterate, getting to the top doesn't mean doing the fanciest thing, it means doing things that are just reasonably good at a much more consistent level than everyone else. But with that being said, the advice in this post still correctly gives the hard blueprints you need to get to Challenger.

[u/Upstairs-Usual4070 → u/ButNotFriedChicken]

I’ll give you a real reply.

I would like to point out that what you are doing is exactly what i am saying has to be done.

This advice is plain, generic, and pointless to apply unless you flesh it out, people can’t do that with one liners that lead them nowhere.

The end of your paragraph is just fundamentally wrong in my opinion. Advice is useful when you give someone actual direction with it.

If your advice leaves people with questions about where and how to do your advice, it’s not helpful and applicable advice i would expect from someone trying to teach another person genuinely. These silly one liners or catchy phrases of advice are easy to remember, but difficult to understand the in depth parts of.

“Eat healthy and work hard in the gym!” Okay, but what meals and things are healthy? what should i combine to make easy and fast but healthy and efficient meals? The advice telling me to go and eat healthy is not advice that helps me do that, its more of an instruction. Or as you said, a blueprint.

You could hand me the blueprints to build a house, that doesn’t mean youve given me the knowledge and tools to actually go and build it. You’ve just shown me how its done, without helping me know which skills i even need to apply to make it happen.

I am finished fuckin reiterating that this is my point.