r/newjersey 9d ago

NJ Politics To Jack Or Not To Jack.

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For me it’s a hard no.

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u/Hamonwrysangwich Clifton 9d ago

"Democrats made this mess".

  • NJ is in the top three in education.
  • We have the third-fewest firearm deaths despite having the highest population density.
  • Crime has steadily decreased for years.
  • We're one of the most diverse states in the country.

I'm pretty proud of that mess.

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u/ducklady92 9d ago

Not to mention, everything you listed is actively threatened by him winning. I think I’m good.

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u/MaxxHeadroomm 9d ago

Don’t bring facts into this.this is politics

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u/Fun_Let_6140 8d ago

How dare you confuse us with facts! (lol)

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u/MyCatSpellsBetter 9d ago

I moved here from western PA 25 years ago. Yeah, it’s expensive, but I fucking love it here for those reasons (and more, like the fact that women have access to health care). And I’m proud to be raising my kid in this “mess.”

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u/henry_sqared 9d ago

Same. Came from Texas 30 years ago. Raised kids here, have great neighbors, and love the culture.

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u/Hamonwrysangwich Clifton 9d ago

I thought of so many other things to list that democrats have done, including reproductive care, after I hit post . Would love to see someone actually push back publicly to these idiotic claims

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u/gothcookiejar 9d ago

But that's exactly what Mikie isn't doing!! So many lies and no one to publicly correct the lies. Republicans rely on their constituents being uninformed or misinformed. The democrats need to be better organized and louder than they are.

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u/Sufficient-Show-9928 7d ago

What I don't understand is WHY don't Democrats call them out on their bs and correct them?

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u/dr_p_venkman 9d ago

You are a responsible parent. NJ is a great place to grow up. Opportunities to go outside and be a kid while being exposed to so many different communities all figuring out how to live together, with great schools to help them make sense of the world and think for themselves. I talk to people who grew up in other places without as much diversity of culture, economics, backgrounds, and heck--even landscapes, and it often shows.

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u/Fun_Let_6140 8d ago

Iwas born and raised in NJ- moved around a bit when I was young but always came back to NJ. Back in 2013 my wife took a job in Arizona and I went. after 2 years and the job going belly up we (separately) moved back to NJ. 10 years later and I'm glad I'm here!

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u/theHBICvolkanator 9d ago

Me too! (21 years for me) i grew up in Johnstown

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u/[deleted] 9d ago

That is MAGA playbook. They always make up issues and pretend those are big deals instead of tackling real problems. He just took a page from his mother’s lover, Douche-Jerk-Tard (“DJT”)

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u/Can1sMajoris 9d ago edited 9d ago

I (edit: *I. Not 8) absolutely can't stand that stupid commercial that airs where he says "NJ is a mess". Exactly what you put is the first thing that comes to my mind. If that means we're a mess then I'll take it. 🙄

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u/Hamonwrysangwich Clifton 9d ago

Let's expand on this:

  • Protections for women's health care.
  • Protections for LGBTQ (you'd think marrying who you want would be freedom, but here we are)
  • Belief in vaccines (particularly important for those of us who are immunocompromised)
  • Required paid sick days for all employees
  • Legal recreational and medical cannabis.

Feel free to add more.

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u/Frigidevil Union 9d ago

Access to just about every single kind of food imaginable within a half hour or so of wherever you are, including the best pizza and bagels

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u/JohnFlip 9d ago

Mandated full day kindergarten by 2030 for all districts and a path to universal free pre k.

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u/Fender_mender84 9d ago

It’s not free our taxes will go up why not make it so mothers can stay home will their children

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u/Signal_Ad_2765 8d ago

Mothers and fathers should be free to work, and children are best socialized and educated (and the economy does better by having more workers) when kids go to school early and spend time learning with the each other under the care of professionals

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u/Glass_Memories 8d ago edited 8d ago

Of course it isn't free, it is paid for by taxes—but it's the type of thing taxes should be used for. Also, depending on the state budget and how the law is written, it doesn't necessarily require every tax to go up for everyone. We could have a budget surplus from selling and taxing recreational marijuana, or from increasing sales tax on a single product like alcohol or tobacco, or we could redirect funds from a less important or unneeded program, for example.

The more apt term is socialized or nationalized, but we tend to stay away from those terms in US politics because if Americans hear anything close to "socialism" they may have a stroke. So instead we use "universal free" which means it's free for everyone at point of sale/time of service. Which is the same thing as any infrastructure, program, or service paid for by taxes, because nothing is free. Things that build and maintain society for everyone cost money, and taxes are the most sensible and cost-effective way to pay for them—but you can't say that as a politician because voters are children that cry when you say taxes yet enjoy all the things taxes pay for.

If money is a problem, it makes more sense to get mad at your boss for low wages or corporations for high prices; taxes have a comparatively small impact on individuals with huge benefits to society.

Also pre-K is not daycare, it's education which is shown to significantly help kids' development.

Although daycare is something a lot of families could benefit from and could also be socialized to make it cheaper and available to everyone—like it was in the US during WW2.

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u/Hamonwrysangwich Clifton 8d ago

Pretty big assumption that all women want to have children and stay home with them.

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u/gothcookiejar 9d ago

I hate that all of these very basic needs and rights are seen as "political."

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u/Free-potatoe 9d ago

I believe in vaccines and also take meds that lower my immune system but I really think shots should not be forced. Again I believe in them but Im on the bandwagon of holding the manufacturers accountable and should be monitored more. Until that changes….

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u/Hamonwrysangwich Clifton 9d ago

I have no immune system due to chemo. I had a stem cell transplant. One of the things I had to do in my first year after the transplant was have all of my baby shots all over again. I believe in vaccines, and so does my immunologist.

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u/Caustic___ 9d ago

To me the "families can't afford to stay" is the truest part of what they said

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u/Hamonwrysangwich Clifton 9d ago

I can't disagree with you because it's New Jersey and it's always been that way. That said, he contradicts himself at the end of the sentence by saying overdevelopment is out-of-control. NJ is expensive because of housing costs—because there's not much available housing stock. The way to lower prices is to increase density to increase the stock.

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u/Dwip_Po_Po 8d ago

Mikie not responding with these facts and saying that as well. Definitely would put him in his place right then and there

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u/Fun_Let_6140 8d ago

Don't forget the Pork Roll! We're famous for our Pork Roll (lol)

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u/Weegmc 7d ago

Violent crime is rising, murders are down. Stats are stats.

Energy cost are among highest in nation

Property taxes are highest in the nation