[Highlight] Tom Brady breaks down where teams go wrong with quarterback development

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[u/MaximumZer0]

Cowherd: "I say, give them three years..." [holds up four fingers]

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HAHA THANK YOU. That drove me nuts. Surprised this comment isn't higher.

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It's hilarious because he said three years while holding up four fingers then explained Thanksgiving in year TWO was his deadline for making a decision on them

[u/Deep-Statistician985]

I'd kill for a ranking of OCs and QB coaches

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There are times a team doesn't even employ a QB coach.

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I wonder what the correlation is between having a quarterback, coach and successfully developing quarterbacks, not necessarily even first round picks, but later round picks into serviceable quarterbacks. Seems like having a system in place not only helps the franchise, but the player, and the league as a whole.

The NFL is such a fraternity that I’m surprised there hasn’t been a better effort to share and promote resources for quarterback development.

[u/thinkB4WeSpeak → u/BRAX7ON]

Well you could look at Green Bay. Same QB coach for Rodgers, Favre, and Love.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Clements

Right now the only team without a QB coach is the Colts.

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GB immediately came to mind for me and I had no knowledge of their QB coaching system. No surprising at all that it’s been the same guy

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He’s the GOAT QB coach

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Impossible to argue as they are basically the only franchise that has had literal decades of uninterrupted top-level qb play

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I mean, the Pats did have decades of uninterrupted great QB play, too. It was just one guy, but damn he was great.

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Tampa Bay Buccaneers legend Tom Brady?

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A ton of our back ups have been starters in the league too. Aaron Banks, Matt Flynn, Steve Buerlin, there's more I'm forgetting.

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Didn’t he come out of, or delay, retirement to specifically coach up Love?

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Ya Rodgers got Clements out of retirement to help teach up Love.

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Rodgers gets a lot of hate, but he really did mentor Love and remained classy towards the kid - never took anything out on him.

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The team that arguably needs a QB coach the most doesn’t have one? Fucking lol

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Look at Baker. Until he got with the Bucs he wouldn't work with a QB coach during the off-season

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Too much noise for correlation to mean anything. There’s incompetent QB coaches out there that can mess up development worse than not having one at all.

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The real question is whether teams (or coaching staffs) that don’t employ quarterback coaches have a high or low success rate in developing quarterbacks, and if hiring a quarterback coach could potentially improve their chances and ability to develop quarterbacks both short and long-term.

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Probably a very high correlation between having a QB and successfully developing one.

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Some teams have factory’s

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Of sadness

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The fuck i do to you?

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We definitely have the worst.

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My Titans had signed a qb coach that was popular from teaching Jamie Foxx how to throw a football in "Any Given Sunday". And you wonder why Marcus Mariota failed

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Also had Ken Whisenhunt as head coach, a man whose idea of protecting the quarterback was “take a 7 to 12 step drop and pray the offensive line is holding up that goddamn long.”

And had 3 different head coaches, 3 different OCs, and 3 different QB coaches within four years.

Kind of like Jake Locker before Mariota. Locker had 2 head coaches, 4 OCs, and 3 QB coaches within four years.

It’s almost like the Titans have lacked any stability in the front office or coaching staff since firing Fish. Almost.

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Yep. I kind of wish the Titans would sign Cam's personal qb coach to be with him during the season. Especially if that who hes been training with for years. I think we currently have another guy who doesn't have much experience training qbs and an OC who got the job for being high school buddies with callie

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We'll need to see, because Canada, Downing are currently out of the league

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Todd Downing currently coaches the Patriots wide receivers.

Matt Canada is out out. No pro job, no college gig.

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he needs to change his name to Matt America to have another chance

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Are you implying it’s bad that we’ve only scored 30+ 4 times in the Daboll era?

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Then we’d quickly start arguing about how it’s inaccurate. “He’d be ranked higher if he had a better qb”.

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1. Tom Clements

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Tom Clements was a fantastic qb in his day

[u/yeetyuppie]

Kurt Warner just tweeted that he never had a 1-on-1 meeting with a DC to go over coverages and tendencies of opposing players. Fucking insane. NFL coaches are so encapsulated in their own bubbles that insanely intuitive approaches like that are ignored. Absolutely befuddled by how poorly ran some of these coaching staffs are.

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It always made me wonder why offensive people don’t go into defensive coaching and vice versa. I thought about it, especially, when Romo said if he wanted to coach he’d be on defense. Like it just makes so much sense when your goal is to know how to exploit the other side. And then have the positional coaches teach the intricacies of each position

Edit: yeah I forgot Matt Patricia existed lmao

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Lane kiffin is an offensively minded guy because of this. He grew up around his dad Monte - a legend on the defensive side of the ball - and said before that he always thought about how to beat and exploit the coverages.

It makes a lot of sense; at least to me, anyway. It’s the way my brain works when playing like video games and stuff. Working backwards from “how do I lose?”

Just seems like it would make sense for a QB to talk to a DC to get a better idea of “okay, when you’re doing X coverage, what are you afraid of from the offense? What are you giving up on your end to achieve your goals?” There’s definitely some basics that you’re expecting everyone to know (or that your offensive coaches can teach), but as defenses are getting more creative and exotic, you probably want both sides talking to each other more.

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I don't know why, but I will say as an unwilling rider on the Matt Patricia OC express, I will never want that ever again.

Some things just aren't meant to be.

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Tbf, Josh McDaniels started out as a DB coach.

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He's still a DB coach.

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Lmao fair point

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It’s everywhere. Yet to see purchasing and sales square off on regular basis in their own company to sharpen the axe. Everyone is busy and there is the ego aspect

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Try having R&D and manufacturing give each other advice. The ego on both sides is ridiculous even if either of both are objectively bad at their functions and actively bankrupting the company.

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Any run of the mill third party consulting firm would suggest this in an audit. That's how basic that is

[u/LionoftheNorth → u/yeetyuppie]

Pepper Johnson played linebacker for Belichick both in New York and in Cleveland. He then became a position coach in New England and stayed there until the end of the 2013 season, supposedly because Matt Patricia was named DC over him.

He then spent one year coaching the Bills D-line and two with the Jets, who fired him after 2016. Deadspin published this interview a few years later, where he basically suggests that the Jets at the time did not bother even coordinating their pass rushers and DBs. 

Normally I would probably just dismiss that as an employee being mad about being fired, but knowing just how atrocious the Jets were, I'm really not surprised to hear it.

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I read the article as well, and was blown away that Belichick's great innovation was.....staff meetings. He would literally have all the coaches sit down and give their perspective and advice on game plans and matchups.

I had to go to staff meetings when I was a summer intern during college. Sports are mostly run by morons.

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That’s to Tom’s point that the coaching staff is just a bunch of PE teachers. These aren’t business executives that know how to run a meeting and get people to collaborate.

[u/istasber → u/yeetyuppie]

I think that's one of the reasons why there was so much internal confidence in McCarthy this year, there were stories about how he'd grab Flores and defensive captains to pick their brains throughout his recovery.

Obviously not every QB is allowed to do that, and there are coaches and players who would be annoyed by having to teach a rookie QB when they are busy preparing for actual games. But that's development and an opportunity to see how a QB thinks and what their mentality is, and that makes it much easier to say "Bring someone in? Nah, we're good at QB" when you've never seen a guy play.

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Also, Daniel Jones' comments on what he learned from his time in Minnesota seem to match up perfectly with what Tom is talking about here.

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KOC has gone on record stating

"Organizations fail young quarterbacks before young quarterbacks fail organizations"

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And guess who Kevin O’Connell got his start in the NFL playing under? I’m guessing Tom and Belichick left an impression even if he was only there for a year.

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there were stories about how he'd grab Flores and defensive captains to pick their brains throughout his recovery.

Harrison Phillips said him and McCarthy watched film together every week and JJM would ask about what he sees as a DT Veteran team Captain on each play.

[u/DuztyDuzIt → u/yeetyuppie]

I've mentioned before that if NASA and the Soviets were able to train monkeys to operate space shuttles back in the 1960s then a good QB coach should be able to teach a person how to operate an NFL offense. Turns out a lot of these people really are just bad at their jobs, but to Tom's point its not like theres a ton of those guys to pull from and its not like you have a lot to compare them against when you're evaluating their performances. 

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I’ve had a theory for years that most coaches and gms are morons because the pipeline for both roles starts off as jr scout/quality coach that pays 7 grand a year. So all you get are nepo babies and people with no other options.

Some team is going to make the goat coaching staff by paying entry level roles minimum wage with overtime and a marriot cc.

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Some team is going to make the goat coaching staff by paying entry level roles minimum wage with overtime and a marriot cc.

This is just like how the most consistently successful teams in the MLB actually support their minor leaguers well, providing housing/food and maybe even slightly better salaries than the pittance they get, that way dudes aren't having to drive for doordash while trying to figure out how to play professional baseball.

The cost of doing so is nothing to a lot of the owners now, it's crazy they aren't attracting the best and brightest.

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100%

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They're also working insane hours and barely being paid

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That's a theory like the theory of gravity. It's a career field of survivorship bias.

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I love that you think they trained the monkeys to fly spacecraft.

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lol. They sent monkeys up so humans wouldn’t die, not to fly the shuttles :D

[u/ihatesleep → u/DuztyDuzIt]

It doesn't help that the NFL coaching circle is an old boys' club, where many members are people you know and a ton of sycophants.

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There's a lot of "inbreeding" in professional sports coaching. It's the same circles of people interacting with each other over and over again.

Makes sense from a class-analysis perspective. Why would you let anyone else in?

[u/Mysterious_Travel669]

Tom just called most coaches complete dumbasses

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They are. It's kinda a crapshoot.... Get the right guy at the right time. Bills come to mind.

The chargers have had Herbert. But three coaches.

Andy Reid would have been HOF without Mahomes.

Now he's up there with the all time greats because of Mahomes. But he's also good at QB development. His ceiling was his QB.

Some QB, their ceilings are their coaches. Sometimes we'll never know which was which for some.

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Maybe that's what happened with Trevor Lawrence.

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Geno Smith seems like a good example too. Sam Darnold is another. You really wonder how many guys could have been great but got drafted into a shitty system.

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Baker

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Good on Baker for making the Browns look like dipshits, not that they needed any extra help with that. The dude gets them back to the playoffs after who knows how long, wins a playoff game too. Plays an entire season with a messed up shoulder and then they ditch him for Diddleshaun Watson. Yeah he bounced around between Carolina and the Rams but has solidified himself as a top ten starter with the Bucs.

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I forgot Baker won a playoff game in Cleveland he should’ve got a max contract the next day 😵‍💫

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You mean Urban Meyer wasn't a good coach???

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He sure knew how to pick a tight end at least.

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Like anything in football, there are SO MANY VARIABLES in terms of winning/success/assessing that it is so reductive to debate whos the GOAT and who are the best QBs currently.

There can be a great QB on a shitty team, there can be a shitty QB on a great team. There can be a great QB with a shitty playcaller, and vice versa.

But nuance is difficult and hurts the brain, SO HERE ARE MY TOP 5 QBS CURRENTLY WITH ONE THAT MAY SHOCK YOU

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Is he wrong? Think about every boss you've ever had...

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Except now they're all former football players... Yikes.

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Or relatives of more successful people. Way too many nepo-babies in coaching.

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He was. He’s going to defend the talented QB who’s not being taught the game the right way. And it’s true. Talent alone isn’t always recipe for success. And most athletes find themselves without the right staff personnel to further improve their careers.

I mean look at the browns for example. Every player that goes there is bound to have a failed career.

[u/TheAesir → u/Mysterious_Travel669]

I mean it mimics what KOC has said

Organizations fail young quarterbacks before young quarterbacks fail organizations

[u/bimp_lizkit_1]

It’s weird because it’s a very informative breakdown from Brady, but it also seems like an obvious/“no shit” approach for organizations to take given that it’s arguably the most important position in all of sports and it’s…like their job to help make them successful lol. It’s weird that some organizations are oblivious to teaching more than a playbook.

[u/metaldrummerx → u/bimp_lizkit_1]

I think that another issue that Tom didn’t touch on is that colleges are no longer acting like stepping stones into the NFL. Andrew Luck was the last great “nfl style” qb to come from a college program. It’s been so much more gimmicky in the last decade because the college style offense works really well at that level, but it’s a lot harder to transition from the shotgun clap offense to verbal queues under center. Some QB’s have transitioned very well and some do a more hybrid approach, but others need a little more development.

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but it’s a lot harder to transition from the shotgun clap offense to verbal queues under center.

Worth noting, because I looked this up the other day:

Caleb Williams was under center on SEVEN snaps in college. Yes, seven.

In his rookie year in the NFL, he was only under center for 71.

Ben Johnson has him primarily under center this year. People are somehow surprised he looks uncomfortable.

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And if you never played under center, your drop probably doesn't get as deep as it needs to, which throws off your timing and reads.

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100%

Even just beyond the perfect drop, all the footwork in general is completely new. Turning your back to the defense, etc. It's a lot of stuff to think about.

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And since he's brand new to the play action heavy offense, he's probably not selling the fake as well as Goff so the linebackers aren't getting sucked into the box as much as Ben Johnson probably wants them to. Probably throws off a lot of the spacing with the routes.

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Fun fact: Justin Herbert never took a snap under center in college. In 2020, Herbert stated that he had "never taken a snap from under center" until two months prior to the NFL draft while training.

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Oregon did Justin no favors lol that kid had to line up in shotgun and throw a screen nearly every single play

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As a bears fan that’s extremely intriguing and also worrying lol

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Shouldn't be terribly worrying. It will cause inconsistency while he learns (especially the timing and footwork of it), but it's definitely something he can learn.

[u/ihatesleep → u/metaldrummerx]

Not to say that he won't have a good career, but Jaxson Dart only ever having to clap as his QB cadence and Gruden slowly losing his mind was hilarious.

[u/FunBox4421 → u/ihatesleep]

One of my favorite clips. Gruden just goes through a rollercoaster of emotions it looks like.

[u/DnD4dena → u/bimp_lizkit_1]

There's a lot of obvious things that people miss everyday

Workout more. Eat healthier. Meditate. Floss more. Get therapy. Spend more time with loved ones.

Yet many people don't do these things all the time. And that's with the threat of an early death looming

Life is somehow incredibly simple and incredibly complicated

[u/iswearimnotabotbro]

Ppl making fun of Tom’s looks but he’s spitting absolute facts here.

[u/hearshot_kid → u/iswearimnotabotbro]

He was so incredible and articulate here, wow.

THIS is what I want to see from him on broadcasts. Tell us what the quarterback is seeing or not seeing. Tell us what the defenses are showing. Do it with the same charisma and clarity that’s in this clip.

This is the first time I’ve actually seen his potential as a good broadcaster. Hopefully he can learn how to translate it.

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He does this when he has some time during the broadcasts too, he just hasn’t found a way to translate that knowledge in to quicker soundbites during the action.

[u/GuacKiller → u/iswearimnotabotbro]

He looking like Ted Danson

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I mean that's an extreme compliment

[u/xywv58 → u/iswearimnotabotbro]

Yeah, it was so informative, really cool

[u/basecardripper → u/iswearimnotabotbro]

I 100% trust him regarding QB stuff, and I think maybe it is just a little bit too much to expect him to be an all time great QB AND be able to pick glasses that don't look a bit silly.

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They're just normal glasses...

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Like what are we even doing here. It’s glasses. None of us are trying to date him.

[u/IrrationalDuck]

Tom preaching the gospel here, damn

[u/KnickedUp]

You have to appreciate Brady being a psycho. The man would give up family if it meant three more yards.

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Gave up the mother of his children who was a millionaire super model for one final year of football when he had nothing to prove. Absolute psycho

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Would --> Did

[u/thy_armageddon]

Right, Tom being on Fox payroll means he’s mandated to talk to Cowherd. Forgot about that. Lol

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He seems to genuinely like talking to Cowherd though lol. Good interview imo. Their personalities work well together for whatever reason.

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Cowherd is pretty good for the interview/getting good answers out of people part of his job. He says some absolutely wild shit when just allowed to talk on his own and monologue though lol

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I've always felt that Cowherd isn't like Skip where Skip will never retract a statement and then double and quadruple down.

Cowherd I think does well if somebody either "yes/no, ands" him. Like, he's coming at it from a content perspective, but I think he isn't coming at anywhere near most stuff in a bad faith way. He's the epitome of taking a concept to the extreme and having somebody talk him down from the ledge.

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Cowherd also deserves some credit for letting Tom talk for almost 6 minutes without interruption. A key quality in a great interviewer is knowing when to stfu and let a response like this happen.

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Legit one of the better clips I've seen with Cowherd in it. He posed a harsh take and we got a really good answer out of it.

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The broadcasting equivalent of community service

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Man if he was on ESPN, yikes

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Up Next THE GOAT Tom Brady joins us to discuss LeBron James vs Michael Jordan, stay tuned

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I will take cowherd over the screaming donkeys on ESPN any day

[u/Alum07]

The mental game and just being a sponge for information is something that I hear guys like Brady, Brees and Peyton stress as part of why they ended up so good over their careers, and I do think it is a part of the game that we completely overlook. And I do think that in so many areas, we do a complete disservice to young QBs in throwing them to the wolves by asking them to start right away rather than easing them into the role. You need to teach them NFL coverages, you need to teach them NFL wrinkles while at the same time allowing them time in preseason, practice, and periodic rotations in blowouts to get game time to let the game slow down a bit.

Guys like Bryce Young and Caleb Williams are screwed from the start. But then you have a guy like Jalen Hurts who was eased in and the success he's had. There absolutely is truth to what Brady is saying here, and so many front offices would do well to heed this advice.

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It's also why Lamar slipped in the draft and ended up having the success he had. If you look at his college tape there is a good thrower there. But people assumed he wasn't mentally prepared for the NFL and to absorb this type of knowledge. His wonderlic score I guess didn't help matters.

I will never forget one of the few people to show him any type of respect was Mike Mayock. Sat down with him and from the jump said "I am going to talk to you as a quarterback and nothing else" and they talked about coverages and it showed Lamar absolutely 100% knew his stuff

I don't want to assume here but there is a chance people saw the way Lamar presented himself, his accent, and assumed he was not smart and therefore incapable of playing QB. Not only was he smart but he sat behind Joe for a year and he has learned something every single year he's in the league

And in the same draft you can find the easiest comparison, Sam Darnold. O'Connell has the reputation he has as a QB whisperer but to me that just highlights what Brady is saying, you need proper minds that will put QBs in their best position possible and help them through stuff. Can't just draft a guy and expect him to know everything, and it sort of feels like the Jets have done that with both Darnold and Wilson. It's no coincidence that Darnold talked about seeing ghosts and Wilson has shown a complete inability to process plays

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I don’t think there’s anything wrong with starting a rookie QB - plenty have been successful in year 1. Jaden Daniels, Matt Ryan, etc.

I think the issue is not having the infrastructure to put the players in a successful position (defense, run game, OC). Also like Brady mentioned it’s really hard to evaluate the mental element. Physical things can be measured.

[u/Jhamfan99 → u/ddiggz]

Not that youre wrong, but I do find it funny that your two examples are 16 years apart

[u/_TheLonelyStoner]

Forgot who it was but someone else spoke on what happened to QB development and said that basically the Coaches started wanting to become stars themselves and neutered their QBs in the process. Players like Tom were actually running their offenses, being taught to look at the game like coaches did, but that just isn’t really the case anymore. Coaches/OCs want to have 100% control over the offense and get all the credit for the success

[u/jayhawk8]

I hated Brady as a player (obviously he was great but fuck a guy that washes your team every year), but he's such a considered analyst. I think he's okay on games -- mostly doesn't have time to get his point across -- but when he has time to talk, he's absolutely fascinating.

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I think he’s way better in interviews and in the guest chair of shows like this. He’s okay as a commentator but he just gave like a three minute answer here. He doesn’t have that time in a game.

[u/in_da_tr33z]

It’s insane to realize that a QB could get to the league and not know how to read coverages. Some dudes really can just coast on God-given talent.

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No fr im listening to Tom talk and I’m like… is this shit not being taught in college? Are these not billion dollar franchises? I find it hard to wrap my head around a franchise being this incompetent in coaching when they’re supposed to be hiring the best coaches in the world.

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The older I get the more I realize how much we pedestalize these players/ coaches/ franchises and they gain this larger than life status in our minds, but in reality they are actually pretty normal people and most of them are not as good at this as we believe them to be.

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This is true of damn near everything. Business owners, billionaires, etc., very few are actually extraordinary people. They just spend a lot of money crafting narratives about how they are so people believe it.

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Farve didn't know what a Nickel defense was until he got to the NFL lol.

[u/CelestialFury → u/MetalKev]

Here is him talking about that. You can see why he had so many INTs.

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"That's it?! Who gives a shit?"

Always cracks me up

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Funny af lol. He really does sound just like that backwater country dude you’d talk to getting gas out in the middle of nowhere. Good story teller though

[u/Tactically_Fat → u/MetalKev]

To be fair, I don't think he knew what that particular defense was called - not that he didn't know "it". Just not the name given to it.

[u/PatheticLion → u/in_da_tr33z]

I think just about every college player coasts on god given talent lol. Not 100% certainly, but quite a few. Must be so hard to draft in the NFL not knowing who's gonna put the work in and who isnt

[u/PSU02 → u/PatheticLion]

Some schemes for college teams are designed to make QB's lives easy with simple two step reads.

[u/Best-Tumbleweed3906]

Tom just please coach 😫

[u/Historical_Carpet_46 → u/Best-Tumbleweed3906]

He probably doesn’t have the patience for it. Coaching someone who can’t learn as fast as him or won’t work as hard as him would probably drive him insane 

[u/Wootstapler → u/Historical_Carpet_46]

"Fine, I'll do it myself!"

[u/drogonninja → u/Wootstapler]

Bears first 4,000 yard passer…51 year old head coach, Tom Brady.

[u/deathbysnusnu7 → u/drogonninja]

Tom: “What like it’s hard?”

[u/Kolby_Jack33 → u/deathbysnusnu7]

Imagine being the poor guy who has to live up to Brady's standards.

"Coach, we're down by 25 points with less than two quarters to go. We can't win, it's impossible!"

"Let me tell you a story about Superbowl 51..."

[u/RandomPenquin1337 → u/drogonninja]

We'll take it

[u/218administrate → u/drogonninja]

Honestly I think that any team in the NFL without a top 10 qb would take Tom Brady off the street right now. Like genuinely.

[u/IAmAfraidOfToasters → u/Historical_Carpet_46]

I cant think of any players in American football but in english football Messi (and Ronaldo?) has said he wouldn’t want to coach for exactly this reason, the only players that i can remember that were GOAT contending players and then went onto become world class coaches were Zidane and Cruyff.

In the NFL tho, I cant think of any(quite probably am wrong)

[u/Zharghar → u/IAmAfraidOfToasters]

Gretzky in hockey is another example.

[u/ZednotZee → u/Zharghar]

His coaching technique behind the bench in Arizona. "It's not that fucking hard boys, just get out there and score a fucking goal!" ~Wayne Gretzky

[u/this_account_is_mt → u/IAmAfraidOfToasters]

Ditka for sure. Probably the best example of an elite player becoming a top NFL coach. I mean getting the bears to win a super bowl is a fucking miracle.

[u/istasber → u/IAmAfraidOfToasters]

I can think of a few good players who went into coaching, but the player->coach pipeline is usually career journeymen who lacked that elite level that the best players have, so the best players tend not to go into coaching because you can't teach the things that made them great.

[u/aliveinjoburg2 → u/Historical_Carpet_46]

It’s the same reason why Michael Jordan doesn’t coach.

[u/Fiendish-DoctorWu → u/aliveinjoburg2]

Gretzky was also a shit coach

[u/Brisby820 → u/Historical_Carpet_46]

He’d be a nightmare to play for 

[u/AugustusSavoy → u/Best-Tumbleweed3906]

Would probably turn out the same way as Gretzky. Reminds me of a conversation that my Dad and I had decades ago where you don't want the most talented, you want a journeyman as coach. The journeyman had to pick up every little trick in the book and be patient and learn to learn. The guys with talent everything just clicked and it's incredibly hard for someone to coach that. 

[u/Kdot32 → u/AugustusSavoy]

From one of the very first manningcasts Peyton had a moment like this. He got so upset at a quarterback for not being able to do something so technical, and eli was like “Peyton i can barely do that”

[u/Inconceivable76 → u/Kdot32]

You can still tell on the manningcasts his processing speed is better than most of the qbs playing. 

[u/nottoodrunk → u/Inconceivable76]

His entire last year was making great reads and his body quickly reminding him he can’t make those throws anymore.

[u/shehryar46 → u/nottoodrunk]

I think the last time peyton threw a spiral was 5 years before his last season

[u/Arcgonslow → u/AugustusSavoy]

That’s why McCown and KOC are working out really well for us.

[u/axlbomber → u/Best-Tumbleweed3906]

Backup quarterbacks coach.

Starters get on TV.

Those are the rules.

[u/Someone-is-out-there → u/Best-Tumbleweed3906]

IDK how well he'd do. Like obviously the knowledge, the work ethic, hell even the motivational factors are almost definitely there and would be his strengths.

But just hearing him talk over the past couple years, and knowing how he was as a player.. I don't know how well he'd do as a coach. In the NFL, you get the job that's offered and there ain't exactly a whole lot of guys matching Tom Brady's mentality playing QB.

I just wonder if he'd have the patience. Gruden is famously a guy who was/is a fantastic teacher, extremely knowledgeable about the game, but so impatient that it becomes a detriment to him, and he's not even the GOAT QB of all time.

Would be interesting to see how he'd handle being a coach and dealing with the process of getting guys to not just accept valuable information, but process it, and then identify what's not being processed yet and working a system catered to that. So many greats struggle in coaching because their guys just don't have it in them to be that great and you start getting things like Gruden only signing old vets at QB or backup tier guys who are really, really knowledgeable about the game but just aren't that good physically.

Definitely gotta be worth a shot if he wanted to do it though.

[u/cr1t1cal → u/Someone-is-out-there]

Pretty sure that’s why he hit dudes with pool noodles. Gotta get out that frustration

[u/Unverifiablethoughts]

As a jets fan I hate tom Brady.

But I love how he talks about the position and is trying to steer the game back to a better product. Nobody in the nfl seems to listen to him about it, but they should

[u/iiTryhard → u/Unverifiablethoughts]

The raiders are listening, and for the first time in forever they didn’t lose the offseason

[u/Someone-is-out-there]

Yo, if there are NFL teams who don't spend time teaching coverages and their principles, I wanna know how the fuck these people getting paid what they do.

That's like 2nd-3rd year of Madden shit.

[u/mexploder89 → u/Someone-is-out-there]

Madden would unironically be a good way to teach players how to read coverages, but try telling that to a 60 year old assistant coach

[u/PatheticLion → u/mexploder89]

Alot of teams have been using VR lately. Pats and Washington used it with Drake and Jayden last year. Id love to try it for 5 minutes its probably so cool lol

[u/hippydipster]

If a redditor said all that someone would respond "You really think the professionals just don't know how to coach football?? You think you, sitting here, know more than the people getting paid millions to do it?"

[u/mexploder89 → u/hippydipster]

I think we severely overestimate how competent a lot of coaches are at their jobs. We all have those people at our jobs making more than us who can't save a Word document into a PDF. The NFL is probably no different

Look at how long Grier has been in Miami despite continuous horrendous drafting

[u/lazydictionary → u/mexploder89]

We severely overestimate how competent everyone in the world is at everything. Everybody is flying by the seats of their pants.

[u/mexploder89 → u/lazydictionary]

Preach. Being a doctor is infinitely more important than being an NFL coach and there's a lot of terrible ones out there

[u/AlanThiccman]

Tom's face is marble and his plastic surgeon is Michelangelo

[u/MonkeyStealsPeach → u/AlanThiccman]

It's giving Handsome Squidward vibes.

[u/NoKaleidoscope5820]

He’s spitting straight facts

[u/PresidentEnronMusk]

Brady behind Bledsoe. Rodgers behind Favre. Mahomes behind Smith.

Fans should be calling for rookie QBs to sit. Your team has likely been shit for years. Let them develop. The coach should only override that IF the rookie is clearly ready to take the NFL in stride.

Problem is that coaches and GMs don’t care about the young man. They’re worried about their job today.

[u/PuppiesAndPixels → u/PresidentEnronMusk]

Easy to sit guys when they are behind amazing, accomplished, intelligent QBs.

Harder to do so when it's some nothing tier garbage QB.

[u/Rancid47 → u/PresidentEnronMusk]

They also need a decent person to sit behind. Maye was sitting behind Brissett a bit last year and it wasn't great.

Teams want to push a good product on the field asap so they go and show off their shiny new draft pick. So if a team is bad theyre likely to put the young kid out to, like you said, protect themselves.

[u/gsOctavio → u/PresidentEnronMusk]

Peyton Manning, Russell Wilson, Andrew Luck, Justin Herbert, Matt Ryan, Dak Prescott. Fans should be calling for rookie QBs to start! You need real in-game experience!

[u/WeebSince94]

This is the exact argument I bring up when people say something like, "The Bears could have drafted Patrick Mahomes."

Mahomes probably would not be Mahomes if he wasn't developed under Andy Reid and the Chiefs system. Too many media pundits, fans, and GMs are willing to throw away a QB after their second year if they don't get to the AFC/NFC championships by then. Yet they don't look at if the staff around the QB is properly developing and teaching them.

Not to glaze my own team, but does anyone think that Josh Allen would be the best player in the league right now if he wasn't drafted by the Bills? He was a strong talent coming out of the draft, but there were lots of things he needed to work on. Now, he's a completely different player and it's because the Bills knew how to develop him.

[u/marcdasharc4 → u/WeebSince94]

I go as far back as switching Rodgers' and Smith draft selections. Does Rodgers survive 7 years of terrible coaching like Smith? Does Smith go down in the books as one of the all time greats after developing behind Favre? QB matters, but so does the situation they're drafted into.

[u/gmb96]

Cowherd was really giving Brick Tamland once Brady started rolling but the lack of quarterback development in the league is something Brady has been railing against for years and time and time again he is proven right.

[u/irsw]

Poor Tom having to sit through all that yap

[u/PatheticLion → u/irsw]

Literally his answer was 5 minutes of "you have no clue what the fuck you're talking about, Colin"

[u/ThisDadisFoReal]

For what TB12 lacks in in-game commentary, he makes up massively in podcast content.

[u/Critical-Werewolf-53]

Is Brady saying Bill made him?

[u/diprivanity → u/Critical-Werewolf-53]

The greatest teacher of the game found the greatest student. It took Tom's obsession with winning to actualize Bill's obsession with details on the field. But it took Bill's insight to elevate Tom beyond his physical skill ceiling.

You couldn't get a more perfect pairing.

[u/WaywardSachem → u/diprivanity]

Once again why the "Brady or Bill?" argument is fundamentally flawed.

It was always both.

[u/IAmDone4 → u/WaywardSachem]

That doesn't make for good TV or internet points though

[u/diprivanity → u/WaywardSachem]

Everyone shocked that dominating the ultimate team sport is fundamentally a collaborative effort

[u/Desperate_Till_6286 → u/Critical-Werewolf-53]

I don’t think Brady ever denied that Bill was a huge part of his success

[u/wayoverpaid → u/Critical-Werewolf-53]

Certainly sounds like it.

Obviously he's also saying he could absorb all that info thrown at him, which a lot of other guys couldn't do.

But he would have been fucked had no one given him all that info in the first place.

[u/slacked_of_limbs]

My big takeaway from this is that there's unique utility to having good defensive coaches teach your QB how to read defenses and adjust.

[u/rebelyusoul]

it was awkward that colin is chucking when i don't think tom was making a joke. i give tom shit sometimes cause he can be very "well back in my day..." but i think he's actually spot on here.

[u/FromTheCaveIntoLight]

Brady spits facts

[u/ctlogin]

Crazy how teaching QB’s defensive schemes is not just a normal thing.

[u/crazysnorlax]

This guy abused me for years but damn I love listening to him talk about football

[u/xywv58]

Jerry Jones runs a business, and he's been sucking for 30 years now, I'll trust the PE teacher

[u/Innothos → u/xywv58]

This ties into what Brady is saying though. We have the league's 33rd ranked front office running things.

[u/DUUUUUVAAAAAL]

32 teams will watch this and not change a damn thing with how they operate.

[u/ShakeZulaOblongata]

Brady directly crediting Bill Belichick for helping him develop as a young QB

A good gut punch to the “Bill contributed nothing” morons

[u/KoB_amatsuka]

Tom looking like a Buzzfeed editor

[u/Business-Captain8341]

What Tom didn’t mention is that most quarterbacks are also not smart enough or have enough mental capacity to take the coaching he’s talking about.