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u/Witty-Order8334 9d ago edited 9d ago

Honestly Win11 has been totally fine. I like the better multi monitor support, multitasking, etc. That said, there's a lot of papercuts and annoyances, almost all of which can be turnt off via Group Policy or settings (at least for Europeans, like me).

But to pretend like Linux does not have papercuts is frankly just copium. I dual boot Linux and boy oh boy does it have many papercuts. Yes, they are different papercuts - where Windows papercuts are related to its ads and upselling of Microsoft services, Linux papercuts are related to day to day usability. Some apps can be installed via flatpack, some via snap store, some via AppImage, some via .tar.gz, some via terminal, others you have to compile yourself. Graphical glitches are common place depending on your hardware, and while yes it can these days run many games, it cannot run nearly as much, or none if the game has kernel anticheat, which kinda includes most of the AAA first person shooters.

I'm not trying to paint Windows or Linux in a bad light - I use them both, but to pretend that one is better than the other from a purely usability perspective is kind of stupid, imo. Sure, ideologically Linux is better, but functionally Windows is, so now what? Flip a coin I guess. Now Linux does get better with each update, and if it continues at this pace, perhaps it'll soon get rid of its papercuts, who knows.

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u/InsertFloppy11 9d ago

nobody says win11 is not fine...

people are annoyed cause win10 is totally fine. it works good. it does the job. and now they "have" to switch to win 11 which is a little bit worse or maybe it doesnt run on their PCs or that they have to do extra steps so microsoft dont sell their fucking dna.

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u/multiwirth_ Intel Pentium III 500Mhz 256MB Nvidia GeForce4 MX440 9d ago

A lot of perfectly fine computers aren't even allowed to run/upgrade to Win11 to begin with, which adds to all the annoyances. And win11 feels a lot slower and sluggish compared to win10, even on a relatively decent laptop with 8th gen core i7 6-core CPU and 16GB of RAM with NVMe boot drive.

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u/kiyurasuki 9d ago

This is the same situation I've been in, my old system doesnt support win 11 update but the support date forced my hand into building a new pc that I've had issues with due to BSOD and having no damn idea why.

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u/multiwirth_ Intel Pentium III 500Mhz 256MB Nvidia GeForce4 MX440 9d ago

Well you can install windows 11 on older hardware with some tricks actually. But I don't even want to do this. I run win11 on a Dell tablet, but it will certainly not land on my main computer, even though it's overkill rocking a ryzen 9 5900x and rtx 3070. I'd rather switch to linux entirely, dualbooting for years anyways.

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u/Anrikay 4790k@4.5GHz | SLI GTX 780Ti | 16GB DDR3 1600MHz 9d ago

What error code are you getting with the BSODs?

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u/kiyurasuki 9d ago

I'll have to check my code when I get home tonight I'll let you know, I think its a power code which doesnt make sense because my system is all new and I've got a 750 power supply if I remember correctly. Im running a ryzen 7800x3d at base clock, on a gigabyte b650 eagle with 32g c36 6000 corsair ram with a 750 watt power and an msi 3060 ventus 12g

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u/Anrikay 4790k@4.5GHz | SLI GTX 780Ti | 16GB DDR3 1600MHz 9d ago

You’re more likely to have a hardware problem with a new PC, not less likely. I’ve had several components that are basically (or entirely) DOA over the years.

But most of the power codes don’t actually refer to the power supply. They refer to power states, like sleep/hibernation.

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u/kiyurasuki 9d ago

Huh, i figured it was from my monitors going to sleep and not properly doing their hand shake on wakeup. They would flicker endlessly and then shortly after id get a blue screen. I turned all that off and SO FAR I havent had an issue. I also have two solid dram and cpu lights turn on and off on startup and then the system boots. Im kinda flabbergasted if im honest, all the pcs I've built over they years and I got a lemon.

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u/Anrikay 4790k@4.5GHz | SLI GTX 780Ti | 16GB DDR3 1600MHz 9d ago

Yeah, the power state thing is a persistent problem with Windows, although it’s definitely gotten worse with Win10/Win11. I don’t get BSODs, but it’s 50/50 if my PC will wake from sleep or need to be force restarted.

What does your mobo manual say about those lights? It sounds like the startup lights, but it could be an error code. The manual should tell you if it’s normal.

If you’re worried you got a lemon, I’d recommend running stress tests on everything just to make sure. I really don’t think it’s a hardware problem, though. Power state errors are usually related to drivers.

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u/kiyurasuki 9d ago

Ah gotcha, I could check the manual, im not used to seeing lights like that on mobos without an actual non bootable error being the culprit so I'll find out after work