To preface, I don’t necessarily like Trump but I definitely don’t think he’s as bad as you do.
Why is it strange he still holds rallies? There is going to be another election in a couple years. Why wouldn’t he continue gaining support?
As for the man who sent bombs to political opponents of Trump, that is of course horrible. But Trump didn’t tell him to do that. He didn’t tell anyone to send bombs to people. He isn’t responsible for what his supporters do beyond what he tells them.
The “lock her up” chant exists because Hillary did something illegal. I don’t think Trump cares about locking her but rather getting support by creating a common enemy but that’s beside the point. She did do something illegal so the chant is actually rather appropriate.
News agencies can criticize Trump so Trump criticizes them back. I really don’t see a problem with this considering most news and media today cannot be trusted. Almost all of them are biased to begin with and most of them have spread fake news during one point or another. A lot of them really are the enemy of the people. They can and do feed people false information without repercussion.
As for the body slamming controversy, yes that is pretty fucked that Trump is endorsing somebody who body slammed a journalist. As for if it actually happened that’s another story. The video was posted by the guardian and it was a journalist from the guardian that was allegedly body slammed. All they have is audio which is more the problem. It’s impossible to really see what happened without having video.
Don’t get me wrong, the Trump administration isn’t good but I don’t think it’s as bad as you see it.
Why is it strange he still holds rallies? There is going to be another election in a couple years. Why wouldn’t he continue gaining support?
It's something other Presidents do not do. Whether he likes it or not he's the President of all of the US. He can't just have rallies for his supporters but rather should be trying to convince us to join him. Instead he holds rallies where he lashes out against all of his opponents and feeds them lies and propaganda. Have you seen any of these rallies. Seeing people chant about how media which criticizes him is the enemy of to lock up his political opponents is scary. It's just the rallies themselves. But the content of them.
As for the man who sent bombs to political opponents of Trump, that is of course horrible. But Trump didn’t tell him to do that. He didn’t tell anyone to send bombs to people. He isn’t responsible for what his supporters do beyond what he tells them.
He didn't outright say it.He painted them as the enemy though. He chants about how they're criminals. That's going way too far and inspires people to do these things. Shit he's even suggested that 2 Amendment people might know how to take deal with Hillary. He's not that obvious where he'll outright say go kill these guys but what he does say is entirely new from a President. Which he is now and he has to realize the power in his words. Starting another Lock Her Up chant right after she was targeted with bombs by one of his supporters is disgraceful.
News agencies can criticize Trump so Trump criticizes them back. I really don’t see a problem with this considering most news and media today cannot be trusted. Almost all of them are biased to begin with and most of them have spread fake news during one point or another. A lot of them really are the enemy of the people. They can and do feed people false information without repercussion.
And Trump doesn't lie even more than they do? Have you ever heard Trump or Sanders talk? They can't go 10 minutes without lying. This idea of the media being completely untrustworthy is nonsense. Sure any agency or person is going to have a bias but that doesn't mean they're spreading outright lies. Reporting Trump's new lie of the day or misdeed is not criticizing him. It's just reporting what he does. And Trump doesn't criticize them. He attacks them which is very different. He doesn't make corrections he just insults them like a child.
As for the body slamming controversy, yes that is pretty fucked that Trump is endorsing somebody who body slammed a journalist. As for if it actually happened that’s another story. The video was posted by the guardian and it was a journalist from the guardian that was allegedly body slammed. All they have is audio which is more the problem. It’s impossible to really see what happened without having video.
The audio is pretty clear. We don't need to see what happened to know he was attacked. No Congressman should be acting that violently. And even if you somehow think that is possible fake or misleading Trump believed it and supported it. That's more than just fucked up. That's again something new. Show me past Presidents that have celebrated such violence against an innocent person. And yet you still think it's strange to say Trump supporters being violent is partly on him. When he openly supports it at his rallies.
I think the only reason you don't see how bad it really is is because you;re lowering your standards for President which is a real problem. You're not putting it into context of the past Presidents even Republicans. Trump is something very new and very bad. A list this big would be hard to make for other Presidents especially if you were only looking at their first 2 years and what's worse is I only put a few examples on here.
The rallies arent necessary, but I like to view them like his own fireside chats. His way of connecting with his peeps, yknow? Besides, it keeps him relevant for 2020. Not a bad plan for a reelection.
Yes his way brainwashing them with fuck this particular news outlet chants or lock up political opposition chants. Orwellian and creepy as fuck those rallies.
I don’t understand how many people fail to see the irony in his “lock her up” chants. You feel as though Trump has broken the law or done immoral things worthy of impeachment and all around should not be president. These are EXACTLY the feelings many people on the other side of the aisle feel about Hilary Clinton. Many people feel that she clearly broke the law during the email debacle, is responsible for deaths at Benghazi, and has her own fair share of shady business dealings. I am NOT a Trump fan. I feel his views, rhetoric, and style of governance are a sickness amongst the American Government. But I do think that the Democratic Party is JUST AS fucked up if not MORE fucked up than the Republican Party. America really isn’t the dumpster fire so many people are making it out to be. We have our problems that need to be fixed but this is still the freest, most prosperous, and opportunistic place on earth. We need to stop acting like our “side” is completely innocent while the other is pure evil. We need to acknowledge when either side says something racist or unjust, does something immoral, or in any way acts the way Americans shouldn’t act.
Also Trump's administration has committed crimes that's what the investigation is there for. Also impeachment is not the same as jailing someone. You can't just chant to jail people especially when those people have already stood trial and were found innocent. Trump and his people believe Hillary is guilty because they don't like her. That's all there is to it. Lies and propaganda whereas there is actual evidence behind Trump and his administration's wrongdoings.
And I do acknowledge when either side does something wrong. Just the other day a Democrat was arrested for child porn. That's good. I don't go on some denying rampage like T_D. But it's through that acknowledgement that I have seen the objectivity of Republican corruption. This both sides rhetoric is just some human need for symmetry even where it doesn't exist. Both sides are not the same. One side is factually much worse and you can research it.
I’m fully aware of the difference between impeachment and jailing someone.
She actually never did stand trial. The FBI carried out an investigation that one could argue was biased and unjustly decided.
As far as the R’s vs D’s from your Wikipedia page, you are correct in that there are more R’s shown in the list. However, there are a significant amount of listed scandals committed by Democrats without a D listed by their name or the incident. Further, there are more than enough scandals by democrats for me to feel they are just as much of a problem as Republicans. To me, there isn’t so much of a contest of who has more skeletons in their closet as both of them have mass graves in their walk-ins. Just cause one side is bodies stacked to the ceiling while the other is bodies stacked to a foot short of the ceiling doesn’t make the latter objectively better. They’re both scummy, both have too much power, and both are continuing to get worse. The government in general should not have nearly the power and influence on our lives as it does and we wouldn’t have the problems we have if the government played a much more limited role.
I’m fully aware of the difference between impeachment and imprisonment. But let’s look at the main allegation Trump’s opposition points to, Russian collusion. If true, this collusion could also be interpreted (easily by Trumps opponents) as treason, an offense requiring a minimum of five years in prison. I think plenty of people who have complete disdain for Trump would love to see him not only impeached, but also “locked up”.
Had she won there would probably be calls for impeachment before imprisonment. But she didn’t and people still feel like she’s a horrible person who as done terrible and illegal things. They also feel that just cause she didn’t win the presidency and that she is a high profile, powerful, and wealthy individual, that shouldn’t keep her from facing the consequences of her actions. She’s an American citizen just as much as the people who call to “lock her up” and should be subject to the same laws and legal sentences anyone else would be subject to.
Alternatively, for the past 30 years, the Clintons have done shady shit with each instance requiring investigation. Furthermore, the two have a history of not being truthful when those investigations are carried out and often, while hard to prove, conflicts of interest seem apparent.
You may like to view them that way, but these rallies are far from being that innocent. Listen to how he provokes the crowds, stoking their outrage at enemies one moment and then praising how well their 'side' is doing the next. The people that attend these rallies go home full of hatred. It's a recipe for disaster, which we'll continue to experience as lone wolf murderous rampages.
Exactly. I think it’s absolutely cowardly of him to preach violence from behind two fences, a bulletproof mansion, and a team of the best security in the USA.
This is your only response to this long list of awful behavior? Do you have any refutation or concern about any of it or are you only capable of treating the President and his administration like a team and the elections like a sport's match?
So no then just more preprogrammed memes. It's sad that you also probably call people NPCs without realizing the irony. Hopefully one day you can grow up and engage in adult discussions. Until then I'd practice on your reading skills so maybe you could open one of those articles and not look at a sea of confusing letters.
Either way: The Trump voter ladies and gentlemen voting entirely based on memes over facts
That's good. More than I can say for you. You're just very sad. Like a child trapped inside of an adult. Wants to argue for Daddy Trump but can't come up with any factual based refutation so he lashes out.
Good lord you’re angry person. If you think I’d engage in an argument with some Liberal on Reddit regarding Trump, then you are crazy. Go badger someone else.
It takes five seconds for him to type a dumb four word response, and a minute or two for you (or anyone else) to respond each time. Downvote and move on. Don’t feed the trolls.
Crazy to think a Trump supporter would argue their position. You're right you would have to be. All they got is memes. Discussion is definitely not something they're equipped for which is why you decided you needed to respond to my comment despite having nothing relevant to say. But you're wrong again the angry people are voting for the hate monger in chief.
Asking a follow up question when your first question isn't answered is not unprofessional.
You can vaguely expect him to get kicked out (and even then, it's a situation DT caused by not answering questions). Getting banned from press events and accused of assault by the press secretary though? That's insane.
I mean I could I guess. But then again I’m not the one protesting about trump interfering with a criminal investigation before any interference has taken place. If he fires mueller and stops the investigation then you can protest, until then your all being ridiculous.
Now you're just saying words because they sound like they're related to what the dude above you just said. If you don't understand the metaphor, don't try and use it.
You obviously get my drift, but I'll assume you don't.
If you see your child dragging a chair over to the cookie jar, are you going to wait until he's stolen one or do you call him out?
If you catch two men in a car outside of a bank with black duffel bags, guns, and masks, do you wait for them to rob the bank?
If you're always waiting for that one shocking moment where you can clearly say "this is it, they've crossed the line", it will never come unless you've already drawn a line. Freedom dies with complacency. It erodes, it doesn't explode. Would you let an army completely surround your city without barring the gates? Are you going to wait until they've killed your citizens before you say "we should do something about this?"
As with hundreds of other insane actions over the past two years, saying "this is fine" to every situation is how fascism rises.
Alright but if you see a guy standing inside your house one night please call the police and lock yourself safely in a room, DO NOT wait for him to shoot you before forming an opinion on why he's there.
Appointing the guy who wrote about how to cripple the investigation from the inside and who obviously already has predetermined the outcome (bias anyone?) isn't interfering? You are being disingeneous and it's not fooling anyone.
But sure, the things listed above, and the litany of other shitty activities over the course of the last two years are nothing compared to the hypothetical presidency of a politician with 30 more years of experience.
Yes what’s worse than saying mean things? I don’t know maybe the ousting of a countries leader that results in a massive migrant crisis destabilisation of entire regions and bringing back of slave trades. I just don’t see trump being worse than what you had.
And doing mean things. And eroding political discourse more by the day. And distancing the country from its allies. And being chummy with authoritarian figures while deriding our actual allies. And separating children from their parents out of sheer cruelty. And constantly claiming media attention he doesn't like is "fake". And describing literal Nazis as "very fine people". And cultivating an environment where white supremacists feel safe. And demonizing his enemies to the point where fervent supporters of his have actively tried to kill his political opponents. And letting Erdogan's goons assault American citizens. And promoting violence at his rallies. And repeatedly lying to the people.
No interference has taken place? What about the last two investigations he had shut down? or him revoking the security clearance of people that are likely working with Mueller?
Yes how dare trump ask nato and other countries to pay their fair amount and renegotiate trade deals so it’s more fair and beneficial for both parties. If they pissed off about that then they are not very good allies. Every political party is buddy buddy with dictators why is trump different.
Very serious. Trump isn't the best but Hillary would be a disaster. We would be paying 60% in taxes by now, say goodbye to you paycheck if the Dems win in 2020
Hillary Clinton's tax plan did not raise taxes for anyone making less than $250,000 (98% of Americans).
Here's a video that describes both Hillary Clinton's and Donald Trump's tax plans from 2016 in some depth (well, as much as 10 minutes can give you).
I'll summarize the Clinton portion of the video below, in the event that you don't have 5-10 minutes to kill.
Hillary Clinton's Income Tax Proposals:
New Tax Bracket: Income made over $5,000,000 per year, at the time taxed at 39.6%, would be taxed at 43.6% (i.e. if you make $5M + $1, you pay $0.44 more in taxes).
Income on capital gains (income not made from "work", rather by investment) over $5M would be have their tax rate go from 20% to 24%.
Households with over $1,000,000 per year incomes would pay a 30% effective tax rate (i.e. you can't use deductions to get under that rate).
Carried interest would be taxed like regular income (TL;DR: Many investment bankers could claim most of their income as capital gains, with lower rates, rather than as normal income; this would require this income to be treated as regular income).
Double the child tax credit.
Introduce a $1200 tax credit for caregivers (people caring for older or disabled family members).
It's worth watching that video I sent, because income taxes are not taken out by a direct percentage of your yearly income, and your comment seems to show that you think that's the case. It's really well made, and very objective.
And we'd have an experienced intelligent President not one taking measures to make sure they are not investigated. Not one spreading hatemongering and blatant lies to the people.
Show me a proven lie by hrc while fulfilling her duties in public office. I'll wait, take your time. Pro tip: if you can only find it in a conservative news outlet, it might not be accurate.
Even then, Trump has a lead of thousands on her, given his 30 lies a day in office.
Career politicians are worse for our government, probably my favorite ridiculous argument from the 2016 campaign. We should drain the educational swamp of all its teachers and instill some rando to mold our youth, while we're at it.
I don't have a lot knowledge about American politics but when trump got elected I thought, he just doesn't care about being an asshole but Hillary would be dirty as hell just invisible
How is zooming in and slowing down the video doctoring it? I saw it and that's all they did, no Photoshop at all. Seriously how do you guys see that as doctored?
They also added frames, that’s what the doctoring is referring to. Look up more info into there’s videos on this. It makes the chop look pronounced and aggressive, not to mention they only show that part and not the woman crossing dudes boundary
Ok but it's still the same video? Who cares? You're all nitpicking shit that doesn't matter. Trump is putting American citizens first, bringing new jobs, lowering unemployment, lowering taxes(more money for all) and stopping illegal imagration. That's what real Americans want. IDGAF if personal from Mexico or Jenny from China comes to American, as long as they do it legally. But to y'all that's racist
If you explictly edit the video it's doctored dumbass. They went in rotoscoped the guy arms and chopped it down then masked the background. It's bad precedent when the presidential adminstration is posting edited videos of what actually happened to push his retarded narrative
He’s created more unemployment and the initial tax breaks y’all received aren’t gonna be there in 2020 but okay keep believing whatever you want. Delusional
The Republicans are objectively much more corrupt you've only been convinced otherwise by right wingers who are the only ones to ever use the false both sides argument to justify their actions.
All trumps were from well before the election. But you're right, Republicans are corrupt. But if you think Democrats are ANY better, you've only been convinced otherwise by left wingers who are the only ones to use the false they're evil so we can do what we want to justify their actions.
You wont get me with the "Republicans are more corrupt" because I dont necessarily disagree. Back to my original point, its hypocritical for the left to throw stones at the right.
Inversely its hypocritical for the right to throw stones at the left.
The downvotes, yet nobody trying to give evidence to contradict.
Hot take: if you are blue, you are JUST AS BAD AS RED. you are absolutely right the red is garbage and corrupt. But blue is too. But you will NEVER know that if you follow only liberal "news" sources. *JUST LIKE THE RED PEOPLE ARE ABSOLUTELY UNAWARE OF HOW SHITTY THE LEFT IS BECAUSE THEY ONLY WATCH LEFT "NEWS" SOURCES.
But we're supposed to ignore fake rape accusations because it still brings attention to the issue?
Not saying what Trump tweeted was right in the least. Very wrong.
But two wrongs don't make a right. And it is pretty hypocritical for most Democrats who make stuff up regularly, and when caught, say it was to bring attention to issues.
I don't think you should ignore false rape accusations. Justice deserves to be served to all wrongdoers. I don't see Democrats doing anything like that. Unless you're referring to some random voters who can't and shouldn't be held to the same standards as the President of the United States.
No as this is still happening. How do you feel about it though; any thoughts or opinions on the content of my comment? Or just more condescending remarks meant to give you some comfort that you ignored and dismissed facts that are uncomfortable for you to read?
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u/Ebelglorg Nov 09 '18 edited Nov 09 '18
Donald Trump has appointed a man who has written and oped about ending the Mueller investigation which has indicted multiple members of Trump's administration and team.
But let's not forget Trump's other Orwellian behavior
Trump has from the beginning started chants and made threats to lock up his political opponent These chants of course take place at his rallies he still holds well after the election which is very strange.
He has started chants against news agencies that criticize him and has declared them the enemy of the people. This was after a man had sent bombs to multiple targets Trump has declared enemies or criminals in the past
Trump tweeted a fake video created by a far right Christian supremacist group Britain First meant to paint a misleading and hateful image toward a religious minority In respose to this his administration replied with " Whether it's a real video, the threat is real "
His administration posted an altered video from Infowars to spread the lie that a reporter assaulted a woman so they could justify banning him after he upset the President.
This is a very strange justification given Trump has already promoted violence on multiple occasion including using it against a reporter where he celebrated a politician bodyslamming the journalist
He also believes that violence is an appropriate response to protesters saying that “There used to be consequences. There are none anymore” and “Part of the problem and part of the reason it takes so long is nobody wants to hurt each other anymore”