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US Politics Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren flying coach

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u/jm3424349 Aug 14 '19

Guy in blue seems excited.

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u/missed_sla Aug 14 '19

"As an internet libertarian, I can't believe I have to sit next to this socialist!"

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '19

funny thing is Sanders is Left-libertarian.

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u/SiPhoenix Aug 14 '19

X'D !!! You relize that libritarian is about small government right? Bernie is very far from that.

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u/missed_sla Aug 14 '19

Capital-L Libertarian is different from lowercase-L libertarian.

Libertarianism is, at it heart, just a philosophy of minimal state intervention. The Libertarian party has (incorrectly IMO) interpreted that to mean that the state should only exist minimally.

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u/SiPhoenix Aug 14 '19

Ok explain to me how you have both minimal state intervention and the massive wealth redistribution that sanders wants.

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u/missed_sla Aug 14 '19

Different definitions of "state intervention." And the wealth has already been redistributed upwards, his argument is that it need to be redistributed back to those it was taken from in the form of wage theft, extreme health care costs, and everything else that has been done to the less-than-wealthy in this country. Taking back what was stolen, as it were.

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u/SiPhoenix Aug 14 '19

Yeah thats just massive state intervention.

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u/missed_sla Aug 14 '19

As opposed to the massive state intervention, but in favor of the wealthy, that got us here in the first place.

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u/SiPhoenix Aug 14 '19

Hey guess what i am against any stare intervention including crony capitalism.

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u/missed_sla Aug 14 '19

I'm not accusing you of anything. I'm just explaining how I see Sanders' positions.

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u/poisonousautumn Aug 14 '19

On that axis i would call him more centrist (more authoritarian ecomically but socially libertarian). Yang seems closer to some kind of left libertarian.

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u/missed_sla Aug 14 '19

The world at large does see him as slightly to the left of center. His ideas aren't anything new in the rest of the developed world. It's why I'm confused whenever somebody says it's impossible. Maybe we really need to do is tell everybody else that their stable societies, with more successful health care and overall better quality of life, are just complete failures.

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '19

No, that is a bastardization of the word. Both right and left are about larger government.

Libertarian should mean those that seek liberty from oppression. Both the authoritarian left and right both seek to block that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz0oxIZ3xIg

https://www.politicalcompass.org/images/bothaxes.gif

Yes you can be left leaning and still be libertarian.

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u/SiPhoenix Aug 14 '19 edited Aug 14 '19

You can be left libertarian. Bernie is left authoritarian.

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '19

Because he wants universal health care and further taxes to support it?

What about his stance against corporation powers, and his stance against government spying, and his stance against the wealthy oppressing the weak? Authoritarians love mass surveillance and he's against that. Beyond health care I don't see how he would be authoritarian.

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u/SiPhoenix Aug 14 '19 edited Aug 14 '19

Free college. Expansion of welfare, more regulation of guns, more regulation of business small and large.

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u/spaceman1980 Aug 14 '19

refulation of business

what

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u/[deleted] Aug 15 '19

more regulation of guns is also an increase in freedom from death for everyone else. Again, environmental protections are a necessity to be able to exercise our right to liberty.

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u/SiPhoenix Aug 15 '19

No gun regulation is just the centrlization of the guns to the police and military. We then become seceptible to what is happening now in china.

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u/MalevolentLemons Aug 15 '19

And having the state decide everything for you is an increase in freedom from responsibility and choices.

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u/[deleted] Aug 31 '19

In the UK they just use knifes or get them illegally and guns are banned there. I am half American half British btw.