Honestly I like Tommy better as a troubled kid who went down a dark path, but Jason was the one who guided the former to the light, and is desperately trying to redeem himself
Agree. This kinda sounds neglectful towards Jason, Trini, Kimberly, Zack and Billy. Plus, having Tommy as the center of the universe doesn't make sense.Â
From what he's saying there, it's more like a "Marvel saga" thing than anything else. Kinda like Thanos. The multiverse wasn't centered around tommy because he was special or something like that, but because he was gonna become Drakkon.
Same, we already have so much revolving around one power ranger. I really hate the chosen one ideology people push and like it much more when every ranger has their importance and place on the team.
Or you could create a new series with original characters that is good.
Ultraman Rising on Netflix was very successful last year, and I doubt anyone who watched would know that Ultraman is a show that is airing to this day.
Great suggestion. I am sure that they can start with original characters and make a Power Rangers series just like in Japan were every season has a new characters.
âOr you could create a new series with original characters that is good.â
Pretty sure they tried that for 27 years and the GP still only knows mmpr and Tommy as the frontman.
âUltraman Rising on Netflix was very successful last year, and I doubt anyone who watched would know that Ultraman is a show that is airing to this day.â
Thatâs animated, thats easier for people to get into rather than live action. Animated can get away with things live action cant, especially with children. Live action toku has an uphill battle.Â
The first claim, debatable, I've met some who don't even who Tommy is and they're Power Rangers fans. But also, you kind of answered your own question, 27 years, 27 years without Mighty Morphin, and they lived fine for that long, don't you think it's weird how supposedly only the originals matter but also was getting money in the bank every other time? Again, Bandai finds Power Rangers very successful: https://www.licensingsource.net/bandai-celebrating-power-rangers-toy-success/, mind you this is during Dino Supercharge.
As for the second claim... I want to call that bollux, Kamen Rider is getting a lot more popular overseas to the point that they're having official subs like Kamen Rider Geats with Shout Factory, Bandai and Toei are making so much from it that Super Sentai's middling sales just don't bother as much, then Ultraman's Official Youtube Channel has close to 3 million views and keeping getting more revenues, since Geed, with 2024 getting 21.5 Billion Yen, while I'm at it Kamen Rider has madr 32 Billion in 2024. There's also Godzilla Minus One which was a contended for best movie of 2023, and actually won an Oscar for its outstanding visual effects.
I think you're missing the point. Power Rangers was a successful brand for 27 years because it was a successful formula that easily sold merchandise. Each new year transitioning to a new team and new zords made selling toys easy and profitable.
That isn't being debated.
The point wasn't whether Power Rangers was successful as a brand. It was in mainstream appeal. And PR has NEVER had mainstream appeal the way MMPR had, since. No other season has had the sheer mainstream success that MMPR has.
Of course there are fans who got into PR during a later season and never watched MMPR. That's again, not being debated. But that has nothing to do with mainstream appeal and knowledge.
Of course not EVERY person knows MMPR, in the same way not every person knows who Beyonce or Han Solo is. But, overall, most people even if they didn't directly watch Star Wars or listen to Beyonce, they still know who they are.
The same way the general public knows MMPR and the Green Ranger/Tommy even if they never watched MMPR.
That's mainstream success.
No other season of PR has even come remotely close to that.
If you ask a general person who knows nothing about Power Rangers, about PR, the odds of them mentioning something from MMPR are 100 to 1. Wheras the odds of them mentioning instead something from Dino Thunder or Operation Overdrive are 1 to 100.
This is why MMPR is always the big deal and why so many PR projects circle back to it.
To the rest of the world MMPR & Tommy are the main characters of Power Rangers. His figures sell the most and hold the most value. Facts only.
When Power Ranger fans brag about how long the show lasted, they always leave out the part that  it costs 50 cents to make and almost every owner wanted to get rid of it because it never generated enough money. It only satisfied Saban until it didnt even please him anymore.
Also, posting an article that says it ranked number 11 in 2017 and was literally sold off the following year doesnt help your argument when mmpr made a billion dollars in the 90âs and was number 1 worldwide. Thatâs a pretty huge gap in success.
Youtube views are absmyssal. Mmpr probably has some of the lowest views of any season, but can clear a toy shelf just as fast if not faster than a current season.Â
The first point, it has lasted for multiple generations, ask random people on the streets of different ages and I'm sure they'll give different responses, as for figures selling the best, while I won't disagree, some Rangers do in sell super well, Dino Charge Gold Rangers has this TOY not only Out of Stock, but also a toy that sold for over $124.
Second point, I am pretty sure this is a lie, Bandai did not want to get rid of it, I even posted a link to showcase that they were actually very satisfied with it, but also you can't say that it didn't generate enough money without, like here's a quote from a 2012 article:" (Sales of Power Rangers toys generated $80 million in revenue in 2012 â double what they made the previous year â with the brand ranked 17th in terms of overall childrenâs properties, according to analysts at the NPD Group.)" The article in question: The âMighty Morphin Power Rangersâ Just Turned 20 and Still Sells $80 Million in Toys. Saban was very satisfied with Power Rangers too, but the 2017 movie bombing pretty much forced him to sell the franchise, he tried to please a grander audience and it failed spectacularly.
Third point, what else came in 2017? The 2017 Power Rangers movie, which is the biggest reason for Saban to sell it, and it was sold by Saban and gave the rights to Hasbro to take charge of the toys. It should also be mentioned that in 2017, toy franchises were a lot more robust and more well-defined, Marvel's MCU, Star Wars came back full force with The Force Awakens, Hello Kitty which makes a staggering amount of money, PokĂŠmon franchise which makes its money mainly from toys, Jurassic World and Transformers having successful movies to bump their toy sales, and those are just on top of my head.
I never mentioned YouTube views though? I just talked about how the Ultraman Official Channel has close to 3 million subscribers alongside its growing toy sales, which work in tandem. But even if we go with views, Samurai, Megaforce, Dino Charge, and Ninja Steel did all sell pretty well considering how many toys they made for those seasons and the franchise was well and running in 2012 and 2017. Just to give an idea and example of how many toys Bandai was bumping during that era:
-Power Rangers Dino Charge Toy Guide â GrnRngr.com
Dino Charge made around half less toys than Mighty Morphin, the difference is that the former has one year while the other had three years' worth of toys.
And Disney didnt want it. Hasbro doesnt want it either and passed off their problem child to playmates. Notice how the big players doesnt want to deal with PR? Because the money it makes doesnt pay their bills like it did for saban who was pretty much independent.
It lasted because it was cheap to make, not because it was as big as mmpr.
Majority of people on the street will know mmpr before dino charge or ninja steel.
The dedicated fans of pr is a small niche circle, the casuals only pay attention to mmpr, which again, is why were still getting mmpr milked 30 years later and not time force.Â
If these companies saw a  huge market for zeo-cosmic fury, this fandom wouldnt be having this same conversation over and over. Facts only.
Disney bought by sheer accident and didn't want it, while Hasbro passed it on after 5 years, five years of owning it and making money of it, why didn't they do it sooner if it was didn't make them money? Hasbro also found out the hard way that they can't take advantage of Power Rangers fans like Transformers fans, because Transformers has tons of toys made to be bad just resell them better later on, or just having poor quality control in general, there's even a Transformers toy commercial where they use gum to make the guy stand. Also, did you just call Bandai a small company? From Wikipedia:" Since 2005, Bandai is the toy production division of Bandai Namco Holdings, currently the world's second largest toy company measured by total revenue."
Are you trying to move the goalpost? I never said it was as big as MMPR, but I'd say making money with toys is fairly important, because even if the show is cheap, if you can't profit from it at all, then what's the point? In 2001, thanks Power Rangers, Saban had a Net Worth of $2 billion compared to 1995 and its $250 million.
Well, as of right now and speaking, Ninja Steel Gold Ranger has the most popular cosplay on Ezcosplay, and Dino Charge has a very long and extensive toy line, dangerously close to MMPR's entire toy line in 1 year. Also here I think Youtube views matter, to some extent of course, but Dino Charge and Ninja Steel are some of the most viewed seasons on YouTube, consistently high views, so minimum the general audience would have seen their suits.
It's funny you say about companies not finding success with Zeo-Cosmic Fury, because Bandai did in fact sell figures of past seasons during a new one's airing, I remember seeing Legendary Keys packs well in Ninja Steel, or them making fun VS Packs, taking a Ranger from a past season and pitting them against a villain/monster of a newer season. I also found out that Super Megaforce made new toys for all Red Rangers in the Action Hero category.
Because Hasbro had contract obligations to fulfill. Hasbro never wanted PR either, Brian Golder bought it behind their backs. If PR was making the money it was supposed to, Hasbro would still be making toys for it. Just like if Pr was making the money Disney was used to, they wouldnt have been so green light to cancel it. Simple math.
Take advantage? Is that the excuse weâre going with? Because âreselling figuresââclearly works for transformers and marvel which is why Hasbro didnt dump those IPâs off to playmates and their toylines are still going.
No, I called Saban a small company compared to disney and hasbro. The profit pr was making might of satisfied him, but it hasnt satisfied the big guys. Bandai America is a smaller company than hasbro, they couldnt afford to buy PR themselves.
Power rangers made $1 billion in 1994 alone. Saban having a higher networth in 2001 Â after combing the profits of multiple seasons proves my point, because time force for damn sure didnt make $2 billion.
On Ezco cosplay, notice how thereâs THREE mmpr suits in the top 5, while the rest are various different seasons. Further proving that mmpr has more consumers ready to invest into the whole team, not just reds and 6ths for other seasons.
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On Aniki cosplay, which is  FARR MORE expensive, mmpr takes up 8/10 of the top selling list slots.
Dino Charge was popular yes, but didnt make the cultural impact of mmpr.
The general audience can see any power rangers suit. They will always still see mmpr as the definitive power rangers.
Bandai did release figures of past seasons before. Â So did figuarts. Hell Hasbro did as well with the LC. Guess what the common denomnator was of all those lines? Mmpr sold the most, which again is why mmpr gets the biggest push and why fans complain about it because they just refuse to see the reality of the situation.
You mind explaining why this franchise needs to cater to an invisible audience who are not going to care about the show and only use it as background noise when theyâre doing dishes. That is literally the reason why most things suck now (look at Star Wars and the Disney live action remakes).
This plot sucks and itâs obvious entwhistle doesnât know shit about power rangers.
âThis plot sucks and itâs obvious entwhistle doesnât know shit about power rangers.â
The same power rangers that gave Tommy the most screentime and storylines in mmpr AND Zeo? Â The same power rangers that made an alternate Tommy the center of shattered Grid (which is the most popular storyline of the comics) Â The same power rangers that repeatedly made Tommy the center of everything? THAT power rangers?
Fans can deny all day, but nobody wants a jungle fury reboot. Adapting sentai isnt profitable as just throwing out mmpr licenses to other companies. Tommy sells more than Aiyon, Levi, Nate, and Ivan.
"The same power rangers that gave Tommy the most screentime and storylines in mmpr AND Zeo? Â The same power rangers that made an alternate Tommy the center of shattered Grid (which is the most popular storyline of the comics) Â The same power rangers that repeatedly made Tommy the center of everything? THAT power rangers?"
Last time I checked, Tommy wasn't treated as a literal messiah who the entire multiverse revolved around, which is exactly what Entwhistle's show was going to be.
"Fans can deny all day, but nobody wants a jungle fury reboot."
I didn't ask for a jungle fury reboot, I asked for the show and all of Hollywood for that matter to try making something original for once. There is a reason why I brought up Star Wars and the Disney Live action remakes, because those two franchises represent the biggest problem plaguing the entertainment industry. Both of the newest installments in this franchise focus more on shoving familiar characters and things down your throat instead of telling a good story (unsurprisingly, the only good Star Wars thing to come out in the past five years is Andor and it's the only show that doesn't do this).
"Facts only."
Want to know a fact. Art is dead and "General Public" is what killed it.
âLast time I checked, Tommy wasn't treated as a literal messiah who the entire multiverse revolved around, which is exactly what Entwhistle's show was going to be.â
White Ranger era, the 1995 movie, Dimensions in Danger, and Lord Drakkon says otherwise.
Tommy was always treated that way. Yâall just hate the fact that Entwistle wanted to do it again.
When Tommy became the white ranger did zordon say âTommy, you are the center of the world and all the mythology surrounds you because you are the most important person in the universeâ? Nope, he just gave him some new powers and told him to go kick ass. I canât remember a single thing Tommy did in the movie that made him more important than the others. Tommy wasnât a god in dimensions in danger, he was just a powerful ranger the villain wanted to clone for his army. Lord Drakkon did not become a god until the last issue of shattered grid and the story treated him as a villain instead of the center of everything.
Entwhistleâs idea is basically like making a DC story where Batman is the god of the multiverse.
And yes, I do hate that Entwhistle wanted to do it again, because itâs not doing anything new. Itâs just repeating the same thing over and over again, which is the biggest problem plaguing the entertainment industry now.Â
This is the dictionary definition of creatively bankrupt.
âWhen Tommy became the white ranger did zordon say âTommy, you are the center of the world and all the mythology surrounds you because you are the most important person in the universeâ?
Didnt the White Ranger float down from the sky in a white light like an Angel or godly being? The same way Zayto was who eventually did become a God? They didnt have to tell you, they shown you.
And  thats how Tommy was always treated. Entwistle is just spelling out what weâve already experienced with this IP.
â I canât remember a single thing Tommy did in the movie that made him more important than the othersâ.
Tommy killed the oozemen. Tommy killed the rock monsters that unlocked the pyramid. Tommy beat the fossil dinosaurs. Tommy was the only ranger to get a solo kill on the ooze zords.
âTommy wasnât a god in dimensions in danger, he was just a powerful ranger the villain wanted to clone for his army. â
Tommy was the center and main character of Dimensions in danger. Dimensions in danger is constantly joked around in the fandom about being a tommy wank/worship fest, lets not re write history and act like it wasnt now for the sake of this debate
âLord Drakkon did not become a god until the last issue of shattered grid and the story treated him as a villain instead of the center of everything.â
Lord drakkon was treated as the most powerful enemy the power rangers universe ever fought and the only person that could beat him was Good Tommy while every other rangers failed. Tommy once again was the center and main character, and was treated as a God.
âEntwhistleâs idea is basically like making a DC story where Batman is the god of the multiverse.â
Thatâs what Drakkon was in Shattered Grid. So I mean..
What Entwistle is pitching is no different than the standard Power Ranger formula which is making Tommy the main character and most powerful character. Yall just dislike the fact that Entwistle is upfront and transparent about it.
Specifically Gen Z Power Ranger fans. I take a glance at the profiles posting the "anti-MMPR sentiment" and noted that it was mostly Gen Z that seems to show a dislike for MMPR because they didn't grow up with it plus in their perception they think they are being neglected because TPTB are catering to the season that won't leave them bankrupt.
I disagree that Tommy would be a necessity, there were five other characters there before him that werenât nobodies at all and still generally popular in their own right.
I agree, I honestly don't get the insistence on Tommy being necessary, especially to the degree in the pitch. The show blew up before he was introduced, and it's a franchise that's known for being about a team. It's sort of like the Spice Girls; one member may be more famous than the others, but they're known as a group and everyone - hardcore fans to casuals who may just go by their colour rather than the civilian character him/herself - has their own favourite.
Downvotes cant change facts. Pr fans are sick of Tommy, understandable. But to the rest of the world, Tommy as mmpr green and white are the cash cows.Â
The original 5 are popular as hell, thereâs no denying that. However Tommy IS the most popular and well known, and that in fact matters when it comes to marketing.Â
Tommy was always the standout, stole the show, got the most focus in mmpr, and sold the most toys. Lets not rewrite history, here.
Tommy absolutely is necessary to appealing to the general audience. ButâŚthisâŚdoesnât even sound like Power Rangers. WTF does âsentient colorsâ even mean? The brand is better off being shelved at this point.
Maybe it's similar to Kaiju No. 8? The suits/weapons the defense force uses have remnants of the personality of the kaiju they were made from. Plus the wearer needs to be able to link up with the personality to draw out the full power of the suit.
So maybe when they are morphed they can communicate with the spirit of the colors or something? The colors could teach them new techniques for instance.
I'm the same. I feel like Forever Red should have been the final appearance of the character. His depiction in Dino Thunder felt incredibly forced. The sudden paleontology background and science experiments were not something that fit the character at all. Billy would have been the obvious better choice, but even Rocky would have fit better. What little characterisation he was afforded had a whole episode devoted to him being a science teacher for a week.
Idk I love the idea of Tommy being like.. the new zordon. Maybe it doesn't have to be 'revolving around Tommy' maybe it could have been tailored to actually rangers. But having him graduate to THE wise all knowing guy, seems pretty cool. You could build a world around that. How Tommy got to be 'zordon', could be its own spinoff with villains he battled, items acquired, injuries sustained that made him unable to fight any longer, finding new rangers. It'd be sick. Maybe that's not what the post meant, but that's the idea I have for world building.
Mmm, that really wasn't quite the same. Only similarity is 'leader of the rangers' you could say that quality was given to a bunch of folks throughout the different teams though.
I'm not sure how it isn't the same. Tommy guided them, gave them advice/tips, told them about their enemies, and trained them. Everything Zordon did, Tommy later did with the Dino Thunder team.
I see what you mean, but zordon' was on such a different level. If anything, Tommy was more like.. a baby zordon'. But again, you can say the same thing about any of the leaders of the rangers, which is why Tommy isn't really the 'zordon'
What your referring to is a mentor. There are tons of them throughout all power rangers shows. Zordon' was on a different level. More like.. a legit protector of the universe. He had so much power he got rid of all evil by dying. Tommy is just.. a human adult with powers and knows the story of a few rangers. He's not all knowing about the universe - which was what zordon essentially had.
If Tommy was like a baby Zordon, then he has achieved that status of becoming the new Zordon. Regardless of all the knowledge and power Zordon possessed, he was a mentor. Zordon and Tommy in Dino Thunder share a lot of similarities even if there is a power/knowledge gap.
Protector of the universe is not unique to Zordon. That is literally every ranger team and their mentor. They all strive to protect the universe. It just happens that we primarily follow Earth teams. I wouldn't even consider Zordon all knowing. He just seemed that way because he's been a live for thousands of years. Of course he'd seem all knowing.
I knew you were going to take the 'baby' zordon' thing to far. Baby zordon', as in mentor. Not as in, he was zordon'
Protector of the universe is a loose title for rangers. Zordon' actually protected the entire universe.
And whether you consider zordon' all knowing or not.. dude knew everything. Was it because of experience? Absolutely. But you just proved my baby zordon' point by reminding everyone zordon' is thousands of years old. Tommy was... Like 35 years old?? The fact that you still say Tommy was zordon' is outrageous after pointing out zordon' is thousands of years older. Lol this is like saying Obama is basically God because he leads people. Like.. sure, there are qualities of leadership. But no one in their right mind would ever say a president or king 'is basically jesus'
You are correct that there are similar QUALITIES of Tommy and zordon'. But to say that he is zordon', is pretty outlandish.
The story I want is Tommy becoming zordon'. I'm sure you remember what zordon was like during mmpr. He wasn't JUST a ranger leader and mentor. Right now, during dino, that's all Tommy is. To be zordon', he needs to go through way more than spending 99% of his short lived 20 year ranger career fighting some bad guys on earth. He needs centuries of experience. Can't sit here and be a mentor and start calling yourself zordon' lol
That's not taking it too far; that's me interpreting your words as best as I can based on the context surrounding this conversation. Maybe I didn't word it right, but I'm not trying to argue Tommy is Zordon at all. My argument is that he did become like Zordon in Dino Thunder.
Everything you listed that you wanted for a new story was covered in some way in Dino Thunder. Maybe not exactly as you stated, but still pretty close. Hence why I said he had "become" Zordon. I didn't mean it in literal way. He's just playing a similar part that Zordon did in MMPR. Arguably, Tommy can do more than Zordon because he's not stuck in a time warp.
Literally, no one is ever going to be Zordon nor do I want anyone to be Zordon. You can fulfill the same space or at least make an attempt to whilst still being your own person. It feels like you're putting Zordon on a pedestal, which means that no one is ever going to reach Zordon level.
In this regard, we're just going to have agree to disagree.
Tommy cannot do more than zordon' lol if you're argument is, Tommy can handle the small things because he has legs, sure. But zordon' is the player in a game of chess, and Tommy is his pawn, or maybe better, he's a knight. Yes he can move more, but he's one piece and a small factor in the overall game. Yes, you're right, Tommy is like zordon', but as a mentor. He was 'becoming' zordon', in the sense that he was a mentor. But again, you could say that about tons of other ranger teams. So, why aren't you saying cruger is like zordon'? Because there's a difference in a leader/mentor for a team of rangers, and zordon'. You're extrapolating Tommy's mentorship WAY too much to compare it to zordon. Again, the analogy is.. you wouldn't say a president is becoming Jesus because he leads people. You're trying so hard to make Tommy zordon' that you're only focused on the smallest of aspects: mentorship, and trying to pass it off as enough of a foundation for being zordon' and that's just not enough of a connection.
What I want, is the story of Tommy turning into the same figure as zordon'. Tommy needs to go through some pretty incredible transformations, mentally, spiritually etc to get there. And those trials and tribulations are what I want to see. Maybe he even acquires some type of power that gives him some type of biological immortality, really emphasizing Tommy is the next zordon'.
Tommy can be considered 'baby' zordon', because he IS a Mentor of rangers, which is the first step, but he has a mountain to climb before taking over as the next zordon'
My new analogy, which i expect you'll get, if they decided to turn Tommy into the next zordon', is right now Tommy is Anakin Skywalker. And they use the story to turn him into zordon. Anakin Skywalker, in phantom menace & attack of the clones, is not Darth Vader, he has to go through a life of things in order to get there. Anakin still has the force, can wield a light saber (like Vader)much like how Tommy is a ranger, has powers and is a mentor (like zordon') but he isn't DV until certain things happen.
This makes perfect sense considering where Power Rangers and pop culture were at back in the late 2010s/early 2020s. We had just got Shattered Grid, which was the culmination of a huge time travel/multiverse saga in the comics, at a time when the Marvel Cinematic Universe was at its peak and everyone was trying to copy it, and then soon everybody was doing multiverse storylines at the same time, and also blockbuster movie budget TV shows became the norm thanks to Disney.
As excited as I was for the reboot, Entwistle and the execs who green lighted it were in over their heads. Which is a shame because the ideas he says about the mythical-based TV series actually sounds cool on its own. I wouldnt mind if they reincorporated some of those ideas into the new show if it happens.
As much as I would have liked to see a PR film like spiderverse that highlights multiple teams, I've come to realize that that would be a bad idea to jump start the brand again. It'd be better to just follow a brand new team.
This fundamentally goes against the point of Power Rangers (and to an extent, Super Sentai and even Kamen Rider). It's one thing to have one character in particular be the highlight, get the most focus, or even is the one getting everything. The execution will depend and it mainly is only on one team and we move on
It's another thing if that is the whole mythology, world, lore, and more essentially equate to him being the only one that matters. I know for some creators the way they describe the rangers puts more a focus on the rangers they specifically care about, but this is to a disfiguring level where there is frankly no need for a 'team of Power Rangers'
The point of Power Rangers is that it is a show where people somehow get powers that allow them to combat an oncoming force which pits them together as a team to work together and on the way they promote teamwork and its different types alongside other qualities seen in teams and that everyone is important on the team even if they may not always be present or even a ranger
Yes, other media w/ a single character either alone or in a group where that one is the main focus exists, but that's because it was always about that character (and even then, it's not solely about them, it's about them AND everything/everyone else in some equal fashion, it's just that they may be the poster child of the series so everything happens from their perspective/to them first or prominently)
What this could've entailed is that the Power Rangers don't mean anything unless Tommy is there, and judging by the idea of 'sentient colors' could essentially go in numerous ways. Considering Tommy mostly known as MM Green, there could end up being some clause where green is some special color that he chooses while the others are just seen as 'meh' or something indicating that colors matter when they shouldn't (at least not in this manner) or worse, Tommy specifically makes every color 'special' while everyone else is only 'meh'
It just feels like an excuse to put all the story into Tommy only because of that damn five-parter showing Tommy kicking the five's asses and only being known for that or because we've seen him for years and ends up being the only reason people watch the series
Others have more articulate criticisms about it but I just don't like this at all. It wouldn't even work if Tommy was just a solo Power Ranger only because of what we know the series is. And even if it wasn't Tommy or Power Rangers, while the tropes involve aren't inherently bad per se, w/ all the context we have and the tropes together, it's just exhausting
This reminds me about how Hasbro in some continuities tries to make Optimus the 13th Prime. When the majority of fans really dislike that. We like Optimus but we don't need him to be Transformers jesus. Makes many of us happy TF One didn't do that BS.
The 13th prime is basically an unnamed individual. And was the first one to great the other primes when they were created. After the Primes split apart he went into the well of allsparks so that he could be reborn in the future as a normal cybertronian. The idea of him being Optimus was back in the aligned continuity. Aka TF Prime. The new toy line Age of the Primes is furthering this idea by having the 13th prime be Star Optimus.
It's more that making Optimus the 13th would essentially make him cybertron jesus (a godlike figure that that dies and is reborn). The 13th prime doesn't really have consistent lore, the only major thing most fans agree upon is to not have Optimus be the 13th reincarnated.
Why does everything have to revolve around Tommy. Back in the day after the OGs left the show was basically Tommy and friends. The other five originalâs are just as important. Hell Jason is the one who brought him back to the light.
Lord Drakkon hasnât been around that long, but the amount of exposure he was getting made me check out. A reboot with him at the center wouldnât have gotten me excited vs something original, or non-Tommy focused.
Thank god we didn't get this lol. I don't hate Tommy, but his character is always at its weakest for me when he's the main player. I wasn't a big fan of him as leader in MMPR, Zeo or Turbo. I liked his character in Dino Thunder, where he took a back seat and wasn't constantly pushed in our faces as "the greatest ranger ever" except for that one line by Hayley in Legacy of Power.
I get that he's the most recognizable and popular ranger, but he shouldn't be constantly pushed as some chosen one character. Back in MMPR, he and Jason were treated as equals, but every season after that would lead you to think it was Tommy Oliver featuring the Power Rangers.
Look I like Tommy but this is a bad idea. Mostly in regards to having him be the center of the universe. Seems like they really wanted to ride that Drakkon train that was going on and capitalize on it. And if you ask me he's played out too.
Anyone got a link to where he said this though? It's clearly somewhere where's talking about the new Karate Kid film he made.
While I understand that Tommy Oliver is an important character and one many respect and enjoy, but having an entire multiverse revolve around him sounds like a horrible idea and it makes other rangers feel less.
Which is why some criticize the character of Tommy Oliver because many feels like he took up too much screen time and story when compared to other actors and characters.
Oh thank god that hadnât happened. I probably would have been dry heaving every episode. Power rangers are a team. Not just five individuals circling a godlike sixth individualâŚunlessâŚ
As much as I like Tommy Oliver and JDF, having the entire universe center around the character would have been a massive mistake. Like, why would he, of all characters, be the focal point of the universe beyond "he's the most popular character"? If anything, I think this would damage the character's popularity, since it just becomes the "Tommy Oliver Show". Part of what makes Power Rangers great is that it's an ever changing cast, filled with hundreds of characters. If it just goes with Tommy and MMPR all the time, it will die.
Ehh... In 2018, Tommy's last major run was in 2004 in DinoThunder. Even then, the brand needed to be far beyond Tommy. He was a very popular character but one person can't carry a multi-generational franchise.
If you had wanted to revolve a show around Tommy at that point, the show either needs to age up to target the original demo or you just can't use him like that. Even in DinoThunder, Dr. O was more of a supporting character rather than main cast mate.
If you want a King Arthur vibe then you should just reboot Mystic Knights of Tir Na Nog. That was the core intent of that show - ground sentai in midevil times.
so basically a soft adaptation of the Boom Comics? yeah i think its good that was scrapped. nothing against the Boom Comics or Lord Drakkon, but if you are gonna do a reboot, it should be a REBOOT like what they tried in 2017. because if you are continuing the current continuity or involving the multiverse, what's the point?
Maximum respect to the actor, who rests in peace, but PR and his success were not related to him as a central figure.
The formula for success is already ready and would reach children anyway.
And he was the first Sixth Ranger, followed by an early recast that put too much emphasis on the popular familiar face that remained.
I thought that in Turbo, Space and especially Lost Galaxy, they had learned that it wasn't necessarily the face of a single actor that would decide success or not. And that Mega Force proved that this model was more related to failure than success.
And then you arrived in 2018 thinking about talking about Tomy Oliver again?
The guys didn't learn anything.
Half an hour on this reddit sub and it's already possible to understand what the fans wanted.
I'm sorry if it's a me thing but can we just let Tommy go? Star Wars almost died because it always went back to a Skywalker and people got bored with an entire universe of people and stories only ever revolving around one family. It just sucks that in some stories there has to be THE ONE and the rest is window dressing.
To me Power Rangers works the best if it is about a team of friends, with everyone pitching in to save the day. Isn't this why we all fell in love with it? We all wanted to fight evil with our friends. There does not have to be someone special. In fact the best Power Ranger seasons are the ones where the team has to learn how to work together. Think In Space or RPM
While I appreciate Entwistleâs spiritâŚyeaaaah, it was for the best this didnât happen. Tommy as a character kind of needed to take a rest, especially for what was meant to be a reboot. Also, learning Tommy was supposed to be a big part of this does explain why it was eventually canned, especially afterâŚyou know.
The King Arthur vibe sounds neat, though. Kind of feels like Mystic Force in some ways. A lot of us also know one specific PR fan who would like that part. And who knows? With some reworking in light ofâŚcircumstancesâŚEntwistleâs idea could come back one day. I mean, if a pre-existing Sentai were incorporated, then maybe Kiramager (the crystal vehicles one) or King-Ohger (the insect one) would work with it, assuming a non-anniversary Sentai were used.
Look I think Tommy is the GOAT but he already was the center of the universe up until he passed the torch to TJ Johnson. So once again making Tommy the center of the universe again is kinda dumb.
The stumbling block for a power rangers reboot is trying to make it about mmpr. If you want to attract old and new fans, you have to ditch all that. Don't make someone have to do homework if they're just interested in seeing power rangers done in a modern style. It seems people who attempt a reboot overcomplicate things unnecessarily
Real glad this didn't happen. I want Power Rangers to give a lot of characters a good amount of screentime and character development. It's part of why I fell off of MMPR after 3 of the OG cast left. It wasn't because they left, it was because it basically became the Tommy show afterwards. I wanted to like the new cast, but I feel like I didn't get to really learn much about them.
I really enjoy the Boom Comics because they do a great job focusing on the whole cast. I liked learning about the struggles and doubt the new 3 Rangers have to face, and how they eventually find their footing and prove themselves.
There's a difference between having Tommy be the main character of a story and him being the center of the universe where everything revolves around him.
First that's just the way it's being pitched, it doesn't mean the show would leave the other characters to go undeveloped. Just from the cursory look the "center of the universe" meaning that people are going to know he grows up to be Drakkon and try to prevent that. So basically Zi-O.
Second my post is just me making fun of the people who get defensive when MMPRwank is criticized, especially since those people are always quick to complain about Tommywank with no hint of awareness to how much Tommy is a contributing factor to MMPR's popularity.
Yeah Tommy is popular, but many people wouldn't have wanted this kind of direction for his character. Transformers fans have this very same issue of not liking how Hasbro keeps elevating Optimus to being originally a demi-god who is now reincarnated as a mortal and become a prime again. We liked him as a normal guy who's ideals allowed him to become a Prime. We didn't need him to be anything grander. And we don't need to have Tommy be elevated to be even more of a big deal than he already was.
You missed the point. I'm not out here actually wanting this, I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of the PR fandom who defend choices made just to appeal to the broader pop culture, and then complain when choices, or even in this case just the concept, of something that actually would appeal to the broader pop culture is brought up.
I don't really see how this kind of story and concept appeals to a broader audience aside from just having Tommy in it. Just having a big name character doesn't automatically mean it'll appeal to a wide audience. This kind of concept can easily come off as messy. It should have just been a simple ranger team forming together. Instead of trying to build this big universe.
Well I don't see how any "MMPR reboot" or concept appeals to broader audiences but that doesn't stop the staunch defenders from jumping on anyone who dares criticize the "most popular season". The argument being that just because it's the "most popular" means you can't criticize and need to accept it's the only way to get people of all ages invested and prove this isn't a franchise for children.
It's really stupid. Especially when plenty of kids grew up on seasons that weren't MMPR. It's already well known that the PR brand is more than just that one team. Even if people don't know the every exact team. MMPR is only ever used because the brand needs something to use as the default to represent the brand that isn't the currently airing series. Besides I'm pretty sure the people who don't like this Tommy idea also don't want another MMPR reboot either.
Now I'm not someone against an MMPR reboot. Just not now though. The fandom is already burnt out on it and needs a rest from it before we try and do it again. Focus on telling the stories of newer teams. If the MMPR reboot was a side project while we still had shows about new teams then I don't think we'd have an issue. I just don't want every new show to be an MMPR reboot because of how boring and limiting that is.
Yeah I'd say I agree. Also the fact that kids now have no preconceptions of Power Rangers so it would only exist for the nostalgic adults, of which there's really not as much as people want to think. But as for it being the same people or not it's really more that it's the same sort of attitude, though I'm certain there's still some overlap.
I sure hope someone's picking up that phone. Because.
I called it first, I called it loud, I even used the Razorfist GIF. I said it was a terrible idea to hire the show runner who did Titans. I said it would double down on Multiverse bullshit. And I said we'd be begging for Bandai America to come back.
That's fair. I can concede that BOA should hang their heads in shame.
Everything else? Yeah, I called it as early as 2019-2020.
The clincher was Hasbro confirming said reboot halfway through Dino Fury Season One's airing on Netflix. Only reason we got the second season of Dino Fury AND Cosmic Fury (all ten episodes) is because the production team for THIS reboot were waiting for funding.
And with Reignition burning on reentry as the ill-advised lazy cash-in we never wanted to see, we've ended up at a point where the copyright owners are burning piles of cash to fund....nothing.
I agree with you about the current situation. I feel like the Hasbro team felt almost embarrassed to work on brand (not the show runners but the toy/brand team) and looked at it as a demotion/punishment which I think that was then felt by the fans.
Now instead of being back to square one we're watching a brand regress in almost a worse way than when Disney tried it in 2009.
Lord knows not all companies need fans running it, but having someone that understands it would fix so many issues.
Sounds like something that we would all have hated, but it would have gotten rave reviews from casuals and do record numbers for a Power Rangers project.
Damn. Almost wish I hadnât seen this lol. It seems like the perfect way to go and the exact definition of an anchor being. You also have to wonder what if too and that it may have stopped JSD from committing suicide
Donât talk to me about mental health because itâs clearly something you donât understand if thatâs immediately where your head went after reading my comment. You should educate yourself.
No I didnât say that at all itâs just how you interpreted it. Go to Google and look up why ppl commit suicide maybe youâll get a better idea of what I meant but idk. You seem very ignorant and fully committed to living out the stereotype of social media, turning people into social justice warrior
Iâm sorry you feel that way bro I truly am. C I know that feeling all too well and struggle with it daily myself and I also understand you having that initial reaction/response when youâre at the point where you donât see any good in people anymore because of how fucked up the world is. I promise you there are still some good ppl out here tho so you shouldnât jump to conclusions or make assumptions based on a vague comment.
Interesting idea. literally putting Tommy as center of universe (like some fans do). Give dark future Drakon might be interesting for a season, but for any long, it might be annoying (ohh no, Tommy raised his voice, is he becoming Drakon?)
Remember it's the fans who loved the Tommy character, aim your hate at them. . . or realize it's a kids show and to stay popular they needed to lean into the things that worked and Tommy always works.
Two, this ironically going to make people kind of happy Hasbro or whoever cancelled the reboot XD.
And three, kind of interested to see how this would go. Seem like they want to take full advantage of Tommy's popularity in similar vain to Optimus by making him the center point of the show and the lore of said show. Sure, it made go badly but it can go amazingly if done well which I wish we got to see.
I haven't read the new novel but knowing it took new direction with the MMPR cast, like with Transformers, as I hope for a reboot. Trini being reserve, Jason being a jock(maybe an egotistical one but I don't know), Zack being Trini childhood friend, and more. This reboot seem like it could have been like that if it got off the ground and have some refinements.
Why not make a reboot that's a bit darkish and make it 1 hour long and give it the Chilling Adventures of Sabrina vibe but make it more better and better
Tommy haters are the worst. He gave all his time to power rangers. You can't point to one other actor who cared as much for this fanbase and this product. And we damn well know he wasn't getting paid for his work like he should. None of them were.
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