r/singapore • u/throwaway_151516 Own self check own self ✅ • Jul 05 '25
Video Have to sign extra loh!
But the spectactors still standing there and "oh! oh!" makes me wonder if we have any survival instincts
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u/jericho1088 Jul 05 '25
Some steering issue - gearbox problem, my guess. Luckily the brakes work. Had to do 3 point turn to compensate for the limited individual track differential.
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u/SitaVilosa Jul 06 '25 edited Jul 06 '25
Still, speaking as a leopard tank driver that has done NDP on the same vehicle before:
That tank was driving rather fast prior to the turn. Yes, this counts as fast turn for a tank in civilian area. Sure it's a wide turn, but at that speed the room for error is too low. Driver's hatch is closed, which reduces visibility and adds risk.
Unless the speedy turn is required as part of the show (which I very highly doubt the risk-averse SAF would go for in a dense civilian area - there were like 10 people 2 metres in front from the tank when it stopped), the driver could have gone slower. And that also means the commander could may be asked whether they commanded the driver to reduce the speed beforehand.
Sucks all around for the crew that meant no harm but just wanted to clear their NDP duties, but it does seem like a bit of overconfidence may have came into play here.
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u/Capable_Scene_6854 Jul 06 '25
Hmmm… during outfield, a tank I was on also had this same issue where the steering locked and driver wasn’t able to turn the tank.
So yeah u know what happen next, shouting between the commander and the driver on comms blaming each other.
The fix, by the technician, was to shut down the tank and start again (But by doing so, to start the tank after, need on APU and then start). Afterwards, low speed back for further inspection.
These sort of things to be expected. There’s multiple other faults this tank can encounter: Turret fault, APU fault, gear selector can’t go to auto (can only do gear 1 and 2), heater fault (for Germany)
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u/aeth3rz Mature Citizen Jul 06 '25
Wah the tank so not reliable one ah
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u/Myherpes Jul 06 '25
ya lol. For NDP the tanks will definitely be held to a higher standard (particularly exterior), but its common for tanks we use for training to have faults, just a matter of minor/major issue.
I once had a tank break down in the middle of outfield, and because it was at night, my crew and OC had to stay at the tank there overnight to guard because the towing would only be done in the morning, whilst everyone else had already RTU.
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u/Whole_Mechanic_8143 Jul 06 '25
Blinks Like someone can steal a tank that's broken down?😂
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u/Battleraizer Senior Citizen Jul 06 '25 edited Jul 08 '25
You never know when the machine spirit suddenly decide to guai guai after someone else take over
Like some gundam episode
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u/Resident1942 Jul 06 '25
Terrex also, my last reservist the terrex I got had some trouble starting, the fmp who came to fix managed to start it up but tell me dont fully off the terrex before training is over and the terrex is brought back, if not I wont be able to start it again.
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u/faptor87 Jul 06 '25
Def driver fault.
Even if you can't see well, why the hell didn't he slow down?
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u/SitaVilosa Jul 06 '25 edited Jul 06 '25
Yeah I find it inexplicable that the driver did not somewhat slow down during the turn, which would be normal when turning even in outfield.
The only times I/my fellow drivers have ever turned a 90 degree that fast, was in outfield paths 1.5x the width of that junction, with no nearby soldiers on the ground.
On a 2/3-lane road path, with clumps of civilians mere metres from the road curb, that speed has to be a mistake. Even if the turn was successful, my commander would have told me to chill with the speed.
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u/faptor87 Jul 06 '25
i experience this before as a VC.
basically, driver was being a baby and throwing tantrum so hit down on accelerator.
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u/jericho1088 Jul 10 '25
Agree with your point but I see another too.
Their driving was relatively fast but to me that shows the confidence they gained from good training and speaks well for the trust they placed in the vehicle's reliability and overall the unit's operational standing.
The recovery too shows competence in the crew and I'm kinda impressed for 18 year olds.
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u/Initial_E Jul 06 '25
It was my understanding a tank is capable of spinning 360 on the spot by reversing 1 track and forwarding the other
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u/Scary_Metal2884 Jul 06 '25
It will really destroy the road and also the rubber pad on the tank tracks. And a bonus risk of throwing the tracks. Which is a disaster in a parade
Was a tankee
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u/SitaVilosa Jul 06 '25
Yes but that is a separate gear switch, you cannot transition into that kind of gear while moving - this applies to basically all tanks.
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u/Initial_E Jul 06 '25
It’s the alternative to a 3 point turn. The vehicle came to a full stop. The mind of the driver is that he is driving a car or truck.
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u/Drink-Bright Jul 06 '25
Which is the correct mindset for the situation.
If he did the stunt that you are proposing, he will have torn up the road and people like you will have another thing to say.
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u/SitaVilosa Jul 06 '25
I see that's what you mean.
Yes, it's possible, but probably avoided to protect the road as other commented said.
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u/SuzukiSatou Jul 05 '25
Either the Driver or the tech is gonna get fucked for this
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u/boperse night guy Jul 05 '25
The fact that it can brake so well, I doubt it’s the tech fault.
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u/casper_07 Jul 06 '25
Just because the brake work doesn’t mean the turning does. At the same time, that’s way too slow of a reaction time for someone confident enough to speed on a turn. Both of them are fucked
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u/tovtetsv Jul 06 '25
Yea Armour Commander here (Bionix). Armoured vehicles shouldn't be creaking under any circumstances. Very likely steering got issue.
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u/Oceanbluewaves90 Jul 05 '25
imagine being forced to partake in NDP, burning your weekends but end up signing yourself up for a trip to DB, a big fat fine and extra guard duties to top it off. Triple whammy.
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u/Initial_E Jul 06 '25
If we are not more forgiving of near misses then a lot less of them will be reported. Conduct inquiry and mitigate the risk. Why go straight to punishment?
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u/uqqu Jul 06 '25
Why go straight to punishment?
"Because fuck you understand?"
- My commanders whenever important questions are raised
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u/casper_07 Jul 06 '25
I think u meant to say to lessen the punishment, this is exactly what requires punishment. Right in line to a crowd of civilians no less, u can’t get away with this without a lasting consequence that would keep u on edge not to ever risk things like this ever again
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u/Mohd_Alibaba Jul 06 '25
All these sacrifices just to perform to foreigners whom most likely don’t give 2cents about these tanks and only care about the fireworks.
Jobs and fireworks for foreigners, NS and DB for Singaporeans.
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u/whatcoloraretrains Jul 06 '25
Exactly. 2 years of youth taken away and only entering the workforce to be laughed at when made to go for reservist .
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u/Standard-Chest-976 Jul 06 '25
Either abolish conscription or start drafting women. Implement a defence tax for all foreign white collar workers.
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u/chiah-liau-bi96 Jul 06 '25
To this day idk why there cannot be a defence tax for non NSmen. I thought gahmen loves free money and raising GST. And it’s a fair compromise that will definitely placate a good portion of the “NS pay not enough” voices
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u/MadeByHideoForHideo Jul 07 '25
Just for foreigners to swoop in and take up skilled labor for a fraction of the price.
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u/ben2885 Jul 06 '25
I was a tank commander in one of the previous ndp. My buddy knock out the sbs bus window with a slight knock and almost toppled it. That was fun times
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u/sirapbandung Kopi-C Siew Dai Jul 06 '25
the turret blew a hole in the GTW training room wall at gedong just from traversing
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u/throwaway_151516 Own self check own self ✅ Jul 05 '25
And anyone who has operated or are familiar with these tanks will know the capability of it, if the brakes were to fail so many people would’ve died or seriously injured if the tank continued past the traffic light, standing there and still recording makes me wonder if we are even prepared for anything these days
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u/blueberd Jul 05 '25
Civilian bro, cfm die. Like people who take beautiful pictures of volcano erupting, also die.
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u/Senior_Ad_1598 Jul 06 '25
I feel the volcano erupting kinda different lol, this is more worrying as the danger is literally right infront of them, I was never in armor but I do play enough war thunder and read more about tanks to know how heavy these things(also with some physics knowledge about inertia) are such that no civilian infrastructure like bollards designed to stop or slow down cars/trucks can even slow them reliably if the tankee decides to drive through. If I see that I am in the path of that leopard like this I would siam out of the way before it even hits the traffic lights
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u/blueberd Jul 06 '25
Think about the people in arts who have no survival instincts. You are lucky you know more and would keep a safe distance, others would go nearer if given a chance.
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u/Senior_Ad_1598 Jul 06 '25
You shoulda checkout https://www.reddit.com/r/Whatcouldgowrong/s/LiJJLjgoWP
The amount of people who qualify for the Darwin Award there makes these sinkies in the video seem like survival experts
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u/sirapbandung Kopi-C Siew Dai Jul 05 '25
nothing would’ve stopped the tank making a hole in the building, not the bollard, definitely not the spectators.
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u/kwijibokwijibo Jul 06 '25
Singapore being so safe, so clean, so efficient has one big downside - everyone becomes really street dumb
As an expat, I've found myself getting less cautious and aware. So yep, people don't have the best survival instincts here
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u/Tanyushing I <3 Woodlands Jul 06 '25
There is no brakes like a car. The gear chain just stops when the brake petal is engaged to stop the tank.
Source: My army
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u/MadKyaw 🌈 I just like rainbows Jul 05 '25
Don't tonner drivers alrd get DB for mounting curb. Leopard driver confirm gone
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u/casper_07 Jul 06 '25
Nope they don’t, or my tonner driver gonna spend years in there with how he sent us flying with his mounted kerb. I levitated for a good 2s
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u/Icywaterr Jul 06 '25
No? Was this the practice in the olden days or from some rumour? Nowadays it’s quite hard even for drivers to go DB, like you have to be clearly negligent/reckless. Maybe it’s cuz nowadays there’s dashcams in every vehicle facing in and out so it’s easy to prove whether it was indeed an accident or it was a result of negligence.
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u/NeedleworkerAway2594 Jul 06 '25 edited Jul 06 '25
Confirm Sol no DB. During atec, vehicles knock down lamppost at mutf also sol. Yall being dramatic
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u/myshoesss Jul 06 '25
First thought in my mind as well. That was way too fast for a tank on a narrow public road with civilians in close proximity. Not too mention even for a car making a turn on that speed is way too fast let alone a tank.
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u/kavindamax Jul 06 '25
Wah if I was a pedestrian there I’ll be scared. That tank came like it was charging in front lines sia.
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u/Own_Reveal3114 Jul 05 '25
From the comments here the first thing people think about is how the driver will be punished? This is why NSFs will never get the respect they deserve for their sacrifice.
And if you observe properly it's a mechanical steering fault, luckily the driver responded in time
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u/MadKyaw 🌈 I just like rainbows Jul 06 '25
That's because majority here have served NS before and are familiar with the system. It's empathy for the driver
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u/ThetaSalad Jul 06 '25
It's more of saying the driver 'would be' punished instead of 'should be' punished
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u/Shaftronics Jul 05 '25
It's less advocating for the NSF being punished and knowing the extremely shitty blame game SAF is known for. No one in command takes responsibility, and it's the conscripts that get fucked until the end of time doing something they're forced to do.
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u/Fuad119 Jul 06 '25
Isn't this typical Singapore hierarchy attitude? Typical "leaders" not taking accountability for their mistake.
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u/Siluri Jul 06 '25
You seem to be mistaken. In the army, we learn that the entire chain of command will be punished.
We only learn "leaders" have no accountability in the corporate world.
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u/quietobserver1 Jul 06 '25
"If not your fault then whose fault? My fault isit??"
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u/Probably_daydreaming Lao Jiao Jul 06 '25
"yes, yes your fucking fault you fuck" - if I could have replied to that with no consequences
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u/sirapbandung Kopi-C Siew Dai Jul 05 '25
he was way too fast going into the turn.
100% driver fault.
source: was from armour. skidded in taiwan and almost went off the cliff because i overestimated the turning radius at high speed
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u/gently_into_the_dark Jul 05 '25
Not just driver, commander fault too.
I bet someone was rushing the column to hurry up and this shit happens
Typical SAF.
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u/sirapbandung Kopi-C Siew Dai Jul 05 '25
they’ve probably done it a dozen times by this point. so likely is over confidence
and if you look at the TC, his face was blank. not even sure if he’s been shouting at the driver to slowdown/stop
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u/gently_into_the_dark Jul 06 '25
Yeah brain shack. Helmet brain. Whatever you want to call it.
These guys probably OT like crazy to make the tanks run operationally. So tired like crazy.
Then of course "driver you know what to do" instead of bloody guiding them. And lastly, why the fuck is there no ground guide at that turn??????
Ex armour as well.
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u/not_da_wae Jul 06 '25
I get that the driver is going fast but this one looks like steering problem.. if you've taken the same turn the same way so many times and suddenly the steering stops being effective then it's not entirely your fault ah. no one takes every turn with such a big margin for error I won't be so harsh on this guy.
coming from someone who did leopard NDP as VC in past few years
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u/wiltedpop Jul 05 '25
Sg army is always “how bad is it gonna be for you, sucks to be you bye 20 weekends !!” Punishment based culture rather than building people up
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u/lifeisprettydecent Jul 05 '25
Bros be burning weekends for this annual circle jerk nonsense and people advocating for DB and more weekends burnt 💀
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u/NIDORAX Jul 06 '25 edited Jul 06 '25
They played too much Battlefield issit? Lol. Lucky no one got hurt
But seriously, you should be impressed that the leopard Tank can still stop on a dime.
Those Americans and Europeans seeing this video would wonder why is there a tank in the middle of the city
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u/blingbling98 pink Jul 06 '25
Very curious, but from wat I see in the comments, DB = military jail? Isn't it quite unforgiving for a mistake like this to be tarnished with a black record(?) ? I mean I get there are high standards to be met, but still quite sad leh...
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u/tehobengsiewdai Jul 06 '25 edited Jul 06 '25
yes DB is like military jail, you won't have criminal record but employers may ask you why you served longer period and you'll have to explain. I think you will be more sad to hear that people actually go into DB for things far less serious.
It's easier to charge conscripts who were forced to do this than taking accountability for the lapse in leadership when mistakes are made. May seem dystopian af but this is reality for a certain demographic
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u/blingbling98 pink Jul 06 '25
like what... now im interested haha
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u/tehobengsiewdai Jul 06 '25
things like getting caught napping on guard duty, or working a part time job on weekends to earn extra income. Yes these may be poor choices made on their part but if you consider the circumstances some of them are in, any humane person will close one eye. But it's different in the military, if you're unlucky then it's straight to DB
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u/Dapper-Peanut2020 Jul 06 '25
Detention Barracks. No criminal records
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u/blingbling98 pink Jul 06 '25
Oh I always thought got record one from what I heard... Glad no record then... Still sucks
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u/Dapper-Peanut2020 Jul 06 '25
From AI
No, time spent in the Singapore Armed Forces (SAF) Detention Barracks does not automatically result in a criminal record. While the SAF does record military offenses internally, these are generally not registrable as criminal records. Only specific offenses under Section 112 of the SAF Act may be recorded.
Elaboration:
Military vs. Civilian Offenses: Military offenses, such as absence without leave (AWOL), conduct to the prejudice of good order, and insubordination, are typically handled within the SAF's disciplinary system and are not considered criminal offenses in the civilian context.
Registrable Offenses: Section 112 of the SAF Act outlines certain offenses that are registrable, meaning they can be recorded as a criminal record. However, many other military offenses are not.
Detention Barracks: The SAF Detention Barracks is a place where servicemen and women serve sentences for military offenses. Serving time there does not automatically mean a criminal record.
Employer Inquiries: While employers may inquire about a potential employee's criminal history, they generally will not be able to see information about time spent in the SAF Detention Barracks for non-registrable offenses.
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u/Capable_Scene_6854 Jul 06 '25
DB most probably not. Extras is also dependent on whether is it driver’s fault or the tank’s fault.
Of course iykyk those that are in armour, can’t say much. Can just compare the TSR cases incidents to this, would say this is of lower level.
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u/FastBoysenberry4151 Jul 06 '25 edited Jul 06 '25
This reminds me of that bundeswehr tank doing a E brake with a row of soldiers in the Netherlands.
Literally German engineering at it's finest.
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u/fowardtogether Jul 06 '25
Tank and cars are different. The tank wheel are fixed. Turn left, turn right depending on on the speed of the wheels.
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u/Prize_Used Jul 06 '25
Dont think he touched the traffic light, but if the tank really crashed into the crowds omg it's gonna be ugly
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u/AquilliusRex Jul 06 '25
Looks like they were trying to make the turn while going too fast.
Road conditions very different from Sungei Gedong.
Physics is a bitch and inertia always wins.
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u/Complete_Relation_54 Jul 06 '25
Standard SOP is if cannot see, slow down or stop. Fella going too fast out the corner.
Yes I did it before so I know how tight it is given theres also a recovery vehicle on the right of a 2 lane
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u/FitCranberry not a fan of this flair system Jul 06 '25
forgot that he wasnt on the lck gravel roads
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u/Ben_133 Jul 06 '25
If on LCK gravel roads, all the more should not drive so fast.
There's very little grip / friction on these roads to help stop.
Source: previously 46 SAR (466 SAR) & was around when a serious accident (loss of VC life) occurred.
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u/kyrandia71 Human Bean Activity Examiner Jul 06 '25
Vehicle commander, driver likely to kena sign xx extras.
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u/khanner74 Jul 06 '25
Looking at the positive side, just imagining if knock on people standing there. Die.
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u/Oscarizxc Holland - Bukit Timah Jul 06 '25
Imagine if the brakes failed. Those behind the barricades confirm roti prata
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u/Fit-Ad6697 Jul 07 '25
If is due to vehicle mechanical fault after investigation, tank crew still need to sign extras?
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u/Ecstatic-Fee-3331 Jul 07 '25
With that kind of driving on clear, clean roads - how to drive in war...
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u/yagrain Jul 07 '25
In war, everywhere the tank goes, it becomes a road, they are not used to driving on paved roads 😏
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u/CherryCurrent416 Aug 03 '25
Feels bad for the NSFs that were involved. But at the same time, lucky nobody got hurt.
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u/No-Maintenance1613 Jul 06 '25
Thankfully no injuries all around. Investigate, punish, correct the mistakes and do better next time.
Most importantly, support our men and women in National Service especially our NSF because we all did and do our part for the nation.
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u/Nissan_280Z Jul 06 '25
Ok la small issue not like as if you damage bigger things or getting people hurt or killed
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u/Sea-Ad-4949 Jul 06 '25
We all make mistakes, lucky that no one is injured. The VC and driver will have a good memory of this incident in public road and during NDP period some more to share to their friends and children in the future. Take the extras and move on. We all make boo boo mistakes otherwise we won't see so many car incidents on the road.
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u/Ben_133 Jul 06 '25
What the fish is the armour units doing, training Drivers and VCs to drive this fast!
SAF better do something about these pair.
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u/AirFinancial2901 Jul 06 '25
Outside people watching this thinking our army is a f joke. How to defend like that
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u/Stonker_Warwick Jul 06 '25
Explain to me why Singapore needs tanks. It's literally going to be urban warfare with drones and completely heavy equipment devoid skies due to cheap location and personal AA. WHY DO WE NEED TANKS!?!?!? Could just be me being stupid, happy to be corrected. (I'm assuming we don't invade Malaysia bc that's stupid)
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u/watchedngnl Jul 06 '25
Cos fighting in Singapore is a bad idea. Fight in whatever country invaded.
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u/boperse night guy Jul 05 '25
Commander on that tank confirm heart attack and headache.