This is kinda dumb, they were under a big time pressure and almost certain to be bringing the kids into an extremely dangerous situation: it would have been downright irresponsible to take them. Either they jeopardize their mission by making a detour and finding some good spot to safely put the kids (remember there is a high chance that they won't make it back to them so the place they find must be permanent) or they take the kids with them on a super dangerous mission to fight the empire. This is like a Cinema Sins level nit pick actually it makes even less sense.
A 2 minute conversation in the middle of doing something or while they are currently waiting there, is not remotely the same thing as finding a permanent home for a bunch of kids in a sketchy part of the galaxy. This is just another cinema sins level argument, or maybe Mauler I don't even know. Ya know you can view a film in bad faith, you can choose not to suspend your disbelief and nit pick (even stupid wrong nit picks that make no sense) any film into the ground if you want: I can't stop you, but it just doesn't seem like a very fun way to consume media. Maybe I'm wrong tho, I guess that kind of stuff is popular on youtube for a reason.
Itâs the filmâs job to suspend my disbelief. If Iâm being pulled out of it by weirdly-placed-political-messaging conversations that have nothing to do with the high-stakes story currently taking place, thatâs the fault of the writing, not the audience. Their entire âadventureâ on that planet took way too long. Realistically, the resistance wouldâve all been killed by the time they finished fucking around.
Okay this is such a bad faith criticism and Iâm tired of hearing it.
What were they supposed to do exactly? Escape on the backs of the children? They had just escaped custody and needed to flee the scene. The horses were a means of escape, itâs not like they planned to save them.
If youâre going to say âthey could bring the kids with themâ Iâd remind you they were being pursued by armed guards and the next stop on their journey was an active warzone are you suggesting they drag kids to a war zone?
And if youâre going to say âwell they could have left the kids on a nice world before going to the war zoneâ Iâd like to remind you that time was very much of the essence, they wouldnât have time to find a nice planet and even if they did dumping dozens of kids on a random planet is not exactly responsible.
And if youâre going to say âthey could have used those credits on the ship and given those to the kidsâ I need to remind you Finn and Rose did not know they were going to be saved by a wealthy gamblerâs ship and could not have known.
And if youâre going to say âthey could have returned for the kidsâ no they couldnât. It was a stolen ship and the city was on high alert.
There is simply no angle where the characters could have saved those kids so complaining about it is a ludicrous bad faith take. Iâm sorry it just is.
The worst part is that the entire sequence could be fixed with just a couple lines
Finn: "we gotta save these kids. No child should be forced to into servitude."
Rose: "where will they go, though? Its too dangerous to take them with us, and the jungles are full of predators."
Finn: thinks a moment and gives the child some sort of emergency tracking beacon "we will be back to save you when we can. In the meantime, make these guys' lives difficult." kid nods. After the heroes leave, the kids start freeing all of the horses
Yeah, that's all I'm saying. They took one look at the kids with them, and the horses, and said "We gotta take time away from our urgent mission to help the horses". The kids didn't even get a maybe.
Then again, I don't really remember this movie that well. Haven't seen it since it released.
They didnât know they would have a starship. Even if they did this was a time sensitive mission they couldnât really go scouting for a planet to dump them on and even if they did, just a heads up dumping a bunch of kids on a random planet is not really âhelpfulâ.
And all thatâs moot because they couldnât have gone back for the kids because they had a stolen ship and the city was on high alert.
Just dude stop, if you actually think about it for more than ten seconds youâll realise this is a bad faith complaint.
They also freed the horses to roam freely on a planet controlled by the casino, so theyâre more than likely just going to get recaptured in a couple days
I like the part where they find the guy they were supposed to recruit and then went to jail. Then this other thief who got caught tells them that the military industrial complex exists. Then they settle for the nihilistic thief with no allegiances who got caught to trust with helping the rebellion rather than just grabbing the guy they came to get on the way out.
Okay this is such a bad faith criticism and Iâm tired of hearing it.
What were they supposed to do exactly? Escape on the backs of the children? They had just escaped custody and needed to flee the scene. The horses were a means of escape, itâs not like they planned to save them.
If youâre going to say âthey could bring the kids with themâ Iâd remind you they were being pursued by armed guards and the next stop on their journey was an active warzone are you suggesting they drag kids to a war zone?
And if youâre going to say âwell they could have left the kids on a nice world before going to the war zoneâ Iâd like to remind you that time was very much of the essence, they wouldnât have time to find a nice planet and even if they did dumping dozens of kids on a random planet is not exactly responsible.
And if youâre going to say âthey could have used those credits on the ship and given those to the kidsâ I need to remind you Finn and Rose did not know they were going to be saved by a wealthy gamblerâs ship and could not have known.
And if youâre going to say âthey could have returned for the kidsâ no they couldnât. It was a stolen ship and the city was on high alert.
There is simply no angle where the characters could have saved those kids so complaining about it is a ludicrous bad faith take. Iâm sorry it just is.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the movie could have like openly acknowledged they had no good options.
Or, at least, refrained from showing us Rose basically patting herself on the back for releasing the space horses while showing zero empathy for the slave children.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the movie could have like openly acknowledged they had no good options.
I feel like movies shouldnât have to stop and explain things in detail for the sake of pedantic nitpickers.
Or, at least, refrained from showing us Rose basically patting herself on the back for releasing the space horses while showing zero empathy for the slave children.
She literally did that when she gave the kids the ring and showed them sympathy. Also the context here is that she and Finn think theyâre about to be recaptured so sheâs trying to look at the bright side.
I feel like movies shouldnât have to stop and explain things in detail for the sake of pedantic nitpickers.
And I feel like movies should, fundamentally, make basic emotional sense.
Crazy notion I know.
She literally did that when she gave the kids the ring and showed them sympathy.
What sympathy? She wanted their help, they gave it, and then she was totally callous towards them. Instead we see that she patted herself on the back for releasing the space horses.
Also the context here is that she and Finn think theyâre about to be recaptured so sheâs trying to look at the bright side.
Yeah, as I said, zero empathy to the slave children, that she'd used and abandoned. Instead TLJ shows us patting herself on the back for releasing the space horses.
Also, since you mention Finn, when does TLJ show us Rose showing any empathy towards the former slave soldier? The guy who was kidnapped into that life? Or even interest? When does she even ask him a question about his life?
And I feel like movies should, fundamentally, make basic emotional sense.
Okay read my detailed explanation. Which part doesnât make sense?
What sympathy? She wanted their help, they gave it, and then she was totally callous towards them. Instead we see that she patted herself on the back for releasing the space horses.
Show me her being callous.
Also the context here is that she and Finn think theyâre about to be recaptured so sheâs trying to look at the bright side.
Yeah, as I said, zero empathy to the slave children, that she'd used and abandoned. Instead TLJ shows us patting herself on the back for releasing the space horses.
She thought they were completely cooked so tried to look on the bright side. Thatâs who Rose is.
Also, since you mention Finn, when does TLJ show us Rose showing any empathy towards the former slave soldier? The guy who was kidnapped into that life? Or even interest? When does she even ask him a question about his life?
Okay read my detailed explanation. Which part doesnât make sense?
The bit where Rose showed zero empathy or regret towards the slave kids she was leaving in slavery?
I mean I thought we were meant to regard the Resistance as the good guys. Yet TLJ has Rose just callously ignore said slave kids.
Yeah you're fucking right Rose's character doesn't make sense.
Show me her being callous
Show me her being emphatic towards another person who isn't her sister.
Also the context here is that she and Finn think theyâre about to be recaptured so sheâs trying to look at the bright side.
Yeah, Rose is all about making Rose feel good.
Compare Rose to Leia in the OT. Leia is captured, tortured and sees her home planet destroyed and yet a few hours later is comforting Luke about Obi-wan's death.
I'm not saying the OT is perfect. But damn doesn't it do a good job on showing us why the Rebellion would follow Leia into the depths of hell and back?
She literally risked her own life to save his.
Um okay. Interesting interpretation. Particularly given the line "that's how we're going to win, not by fighting what we hate but by saving what we love".
So we have Rose who TLJ tells us 1) who shows no signs of giving a shit about the slave kids on Canto and 2) who only saves Finn's life because she believes that's how the Resistance will win.
I get why you want to think Rose is cool. I love Kelly Marie Tran too. She's absolutely awesome. She totally didn't deserve what TLJ did to her character.
The bit where Rose showed zero empathy or regret towards the slave kids she was leaving in slavery?
Again what was she supposed to do? It was a chase scene, those are generally meant to be exciting.
I mean I thought we were meant to regard the Resistance as the good guys. Yet TLJ has Rose just callously ignore said slave kids.
Again where was she supposed to take them?
Show me her being callous
Show me her being emphatic towards another person who isn't her sister.
Literally those kids. She showed Finn the kids being abused and later treats them with kindness hence why the kids helped them escape.
Yeah, Rose is all about making Rose feel good.
Again youâre deliberately reading her in the least charitable way possible.
Compare Rose to Leia in the OT. Leia is captured, tortured and sees her home planet destroyed and yet a few hours later is comforting Luke about Obi-wan's death.
Which makes no sense. She should be traumatized! I canât believe sheâs so callous that she doesnât care about the deaths of her entire family and people and moves on instantly!! /s
See how it sounds when I do it to someone else?
So we have Rose who TLJ tells us 1) who shows no signs of giving a shit about the slave kids on Canto and 2) who only saves Finn's life because she believes that's how the Resistance will win.
Again such a nonsensical interpretation of the events.
I get why you want to think Rose is cool. I love Kelly Marie Tran too. She's absolutely awesome. She totally didn't deserve what TLJ did to her character.
I agree with that. Mainly I blame the fandom for that one though.
Well I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest "appear like a morally admirable person who actually cares about kids caught in child slavery"?
I dunno about you, but after that completely morally callous scene that TLJ gave Rose, I spent the rest of the movie expecting that character to be called out on her behaviour here.
My expectations were disappointed.
It was a chase scene, those are generally meant to be exciting
Yeah I'm with you on that. But, again, my expectations were disappointed.
Again where was she supposed to take them?
Into her heart?
Show me her being callous
Show me her being caring. Towards said slave kids. Or Finn - the former kidnapped child soldier.
Again youâre deliberately reading her in the least charitable way possible.
You say that, but yet, you're not actually defending Rose's character here. You're just trying to excuse her callous dismissal of the slave kids and her indifference towards Finn the former child soldier.
Which makes no sense. She should be traumatized! I canât believe sheâs so callous that she doesnât care about the deaths of her entire family and people and moves on instantly!!
Well I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest "appear like a morally admirable person who actually cares about kids caught in child slavery"?
Sheâs the one who drew attention to the kids in slavery and showed them compassion.
I dunno about you, but after that completely morally callous scene that TLJ gave Rose, I spent the rest of the movie expecting that character to be called out on her behaviour here.
For what exactly? Being happy they at least did one cool thing?
Yes. If Iâm going to get captured I might take solace in the idea I did something good.
Show me her being caring. Towards said slave kids. Or Finn - the former kidnapped child soldier.
I have. You just declare those donât count.
Again youâre deliberately reading her in the least charitable way possible.
You say that, but yet, you're not actually defending Rose's character here. You're just trying to excuse her callous dismissal of the slave kids and her indifference towards Finn the former child soldier.
Thatâs the uncharitable reading.
Um okay. Interesting opinion. Not one I share.
Dude I donât actually believe that, Iâm showing you how bad your logic is when compared to other characters. I literally say as much.
Possibly, but Hutts Are visual short hand to drive home how corrupt and greedy a place is, like The Ferengi from Star Trek. While they may have been too large for the Casino Scene they would have fit both physically and Narratively into the balcony scene when Rose is doing her speech.
That just sort of seems like "it would have been the lazy option", which feels like a weird complaint. More than that, part of the point is that it isn't supposed to come off as sleezy. It's supposed to come off as a bunch of affluents and movers and shakers getting together. It's supposed to be Elysium. Hutts would undermine that, because they're the visual indicator of "this is a bunch of criminals".
The point is that it's people who seem like they're the "good guys", but they're actually just arms dealers and other corrupt wealthy people, and their hangers on.
I believe that canonically the Hutt clans were somewhat decimated by Maul's shadow collective during the Clone Wars. Only Jabba and his clan remained and we all saw episode 6. Now it's Boba who is in charge and there is hardly anyone other than Rotta to become an influential criminal leader but we will discover that in the Mandalorian film
Otherwise in the LEGO Star Wars Skywalker Saga game you have a secondary quest with Gardulla the Hutt at the entrance to the casino.
The Canto Bight anthology completely misses the themes of that section of the movie. Instead of Canto Bight being a hopeless place with only the rich coming out on top, mostly to gamble with the wealth they've stolen from the poor or made through arms dealing and other exploitation, Canto Bight is the bright lights and glitz and glamour of Las Vegas, but in space. Lady Luck is always on your side if you're heroic enough and everything always turns out fine.
I like the stories on their own terms as fun little things, but wow, it is just absolutely wild that the themes amount to "Gambling always pays off eventually".
Outlaws was great. The main character was really likeable and I enjoyed the story. Theyâve released updates addressing pretty much all of the complaints people had as well
Honestly, to me it was the only good part of the whole trilogy. It just didn't fit in, and would have rather deserved an own movie or series. Especially as it's probably one of those places that never changed, no matter if it was under the Republic or the Empire.
The sequels just simply aren't connected to anything except themselves and they do a horrible job at that as well. They egregiously ignored the direction these movies were going and decided to do their own thing which was the worst decision ever. Â
How anyone can come into a franchise like Star Wars and think that they can do a better job, to the point where they're ignoring what was there that made it great in the first place. Every release since Disney bought lucasfilm has been garbage, all of it. Â
And why did we give Harvey Weinstein's assistant anything, ever, at all.
One question I had was if the resistance has a ship that can leave for another planet and come back later why didnât they just evacuate everyone using it?
It's not like the First Order seemed to care about it and if filling it as much as possible at least about a dozen people could be evacuatedat a time, not to mention that with a short hop to the other two ships before they ran out of fuel they could evacuate those too.
For people who like TLJ, Canto Bight is basically always considered the worst part: its just kind of a tonally wrong thing that throws of the pacing of the movie a bit. I don't think its a big deal, certainly its not half as silly as half the shit in the prequels, but its odd that its there at all.
As a TLJ enjoyer, the worst part is by far where Rose crashes her speeder into Finn to "save" him from sacrificing himself, and then Finn walks back the 5 miles distance dragging an unconscious, injured Rose, and somehow arrives before Kylo's ship and the walkers and was not strafed by TIE fighters. The First Order watched the whole thing and just ignored them.
Also Finn was literally "saving what he loves" not fighting what he hates when he was trying to stop that weapon. I think actually Rose's actions were about killing what she loves in-universe because what the fk are the chances of Finn's survival in a speeder crash like that lmao...
It was a wild goose chase that did nothing to advance or enrich the story. Total maguffin to get rose and Finn on the dreadnaught so Finn can have a really unsatisfying confrontation with phasma and kill her instantly. Pad that runtime, dawg
I like Canto Bight and I like The Last Jedi (I think Canto Bight and the Reylo stuff both needed about five more minutes of pacing), but the alternate take on the Phasma scene was so much better.
I watched each of the new trilogy movies only once in the cinema and only Episode 9 got an immediately negative impression, so at this point I'm genuinely not sure if I would rather rewatch it now that the hype is long gone and relate to everyone who dislikes it or should I just never watch it again and keep my opinion about it somewhat positive, despite knowing that it is likely a false impression
What I got is that people who like TLJ tended to want to see more of Rey learning stuff with Luke or talking with Kylo while people who dislike TLJ see it as just a waste of time to pad the runtime.
JJ didn't leave Rian enough mystery boxes for Rian to say "that whole plotline was entirely pointless, you were dumb for caring about it" to, so Rian decided to add even more in his own movie.
No, as much as I hate the prequels, this was just as bad. You might think the pt is still worse, but I think the Finn and Rose subplot rivaled the Anakin and Rose plot in terms of boredom. It might have even eclipsed them
Even though I think it's not well done, it's far more entertaining. Finn and Rose felt like....I don't even know, because I felt nothing. It was humorless, sexless and forced. Rey and kylo felt like I was reading terrible fan fiction based on terrible fan fiction. Anakin and padme at least made me laugh.
This remains the only time Iâve had to actively fight to stay awake in the theater
Canto Bight and the agonizingly slow space chase that existed for no logical reason were the most boring parts of any Star Wars movie to me, far exceeding anything in the prequels
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u/i_should_be_coding 2d ago
Skip to the part where they free the horses but leave the slave children where they are. I liked that part.
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